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Trump V Comey – Who is telling the truth? Russia investigation

Trump V Comey – Russia investigation. Who is telling the truth?

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Cardinal said:
Hmm. That's a toughie.

In one corner we have James Comey, who has made a couple iffy contradictions in the past.

In the other corner we have Donald Trump, who has lied 586 times in his first 119 days of office, reversed nearly every position he has ever held, led the Birther movement, hasn't paid his employees and robbed people in his University scheme to the tune of nearly a quarter billion dollars.

So do I know who will tell the truth? No. Can I bet twenty dollars on Comey with a fair degree of confidence? I think so.
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I keep seeing this. It's an awfully exact number. Is there some website keeping track of this or is it just some made up number? (honest question)
 
Fenton said:
Lol....
He exercised his statutory and constitutional authority, and no it wasnt " obstruction ", try again
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10336/president-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice
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Newp. He openly admitted, several times, he did it to stop the Russian probe. His own words. He "exercised his statutory and constitutional authority" in order to obstruct an investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...senstein-may-have-just-provided-another-clue/
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-obstruction-dni-nsa-49d14dfb3c4
White House officials besides Trump looked into pressuring FBI to drop Flynn investigation.

You can keep your fantasy, if you'd like, but I'll stick with reality.

You're in for a rough couple of months, methinks.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Newp. He openly admitted, several times, he did it to stop the Russian probe. His own words. He "exercised his statutory and constitutional authority" in order to obstruct an investigation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...senstein-may-have-just-provided-another-clue/
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-obstruction-dni-nsa-49d14dfb3c4
White House officials besides Trump looked into pressuring FBI to drop Flynn investigation.

You can keep your fantasy, if you'd like, but I'll stick with reality.

You're in for a rough couple of months, methinks.
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I'll note that you only used quotes around "exercised his statutory and constitutional authority" and didn't include " in order to obstruct an investigation". So what were his exact words?
 
Kal'Stang said:
I'll note that you only used quotes around "exercised his statutory and constitutional authority" and didn't include " in order to obstruct an investigation". So what were his exact words?
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That's because I was quoting what Fenton posted.

What were his exact words? Really? You don't know by now what he told Lester Hot AND the Russians in the Oval office?
 
TheGoverness said:
I don't believe either of them. I believe evidence.
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Myself I go with Comey. Testifying under oath with documentation to support his statement(s) in March.
Trump on the other-hand had treated all Intelligence Agencies, 17 of them as the enemy, fake news, liars, that prepared a report on Russian interference in the election.

The appearance of the AG politically interring in the email scandal, she would not be credible, bring the Justice system into disrepute, and corruption would have been yelled loud and clear by many. And rightly so.

Lastly- He pissed off Democrats and Republicans so he must be doing something right.
Many condemn him for his bypassing the AG back in June last year - He had no other choice due to Lynch meeting with B Clinton.

An old incident Comey had with Bush in 2004

An interesting read if you are not aware of this. This also clearly demonstrates Comey takes the rule of law seriously. He holds personal integrity while others only wish they did

https://thinkprogress.org/comey-bre...d-ashcroft-to-back-spying-program-66fb293ac29

And it was only a matter of minutes that the door opened and in walked Mr. Gonzales, carrying an envelope, and Mr. Card. They came over and stood by the bed. They greeted the attorney general very briefly. And then Mr. Gonzales began to discuss why they were there — to seek his approval for a matter, and explained what the matter was — which I will not do.

And Attorney General Ashcroft then stunned me. He lifted his head off the pillow and in very strong terms expressed his view of the matter, rich in both substance and fact, which stunned me — drawn from the hour-long meeting we’d had a week earlier — and in very strong terms expressed himself, and then laid his head back down on the pillow, seemed spent, and said to them, But that doesn’t matter, because I’m not the attorney general…and he pointed to me, and I was just to his left.

The two men did not acknowledge me. They turned and walked from the room.

Comey explained how, shortly afterwards, Card called him “very upset and demanded that I come to the White House immediately.”

COMEY: I responded that, after the conduct I had just witnessed, I would not meet with him without a witness present.

He replied, What conduct? We were just there to wish him well.

And I said again, After what I just witnessed, I will not meet with you without a witness. And I intend that witness to be the solicitor general of the United States [Ted Olson]. … He asked whether I was refusing to come to the White House. I said, No, sir, I’m not. I’ll be there. I need to go back to the Department of Justice first. […]

I was very upset. I was angry. I thought I just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man, who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me. I thought he had conducted himself, and I said to the attorney general, in a way that demonstrated a strength I had never seen before. But still I thought it was improper.

And it was for that reason that I thought there ought to be somebody with me if I’m going to meet with Mr. Card. […]
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TheGoverness said:
Here you go, Kal.
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Thank you.

Reading just the first one and I see a misstep by WaPo. Per them the quote they used is:

“With all of the illegal acts that took place in the Clinton campaign & Obama Administration, there was never a special counsel appointed!”
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James Comey's investigation into Hillary was done by the FBI. There was no special counsel appointed. So that's not a lie. That's WaPo hedging that people won't know the difference between an FBI investigation and a special counsel being appointed.

Next:

The appointment of a special counsel "also happens to be a pure excuse for the Democrats having lost an election that they should have easily won because of the Electoral College being slanted so much in their way.”
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Their explanation isn't even denying what Trump said. (in fact it confirms it when they talk about the "Blue Wall" of states that generally vote Democrat) It's simply them talking about the EC. (more like complaining in my view)

I'd go on but with the very first two having not been what is claimed in the WaPo article this may deserve its own thread.
 
JANFU said:
Trump V Comey – Who is telling the truth? Russia investigation

In March Comey dropped a bombshell- links below

Next Comey has testified under oath and will testify again under oath.

His full testimony links below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/

Full testimony – Video in link
WATCH: James Comey Testifies on Russia [FULL VIDEO REPLAY] | Heavy.com

Another video link


Trump V Comey – Who is telling the truth? Russia investigation

I believe Trump-Why

I believe Comey -Why

Other- Pls explain
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One of the first rules I learned in journalism was "everyone lies" and sometimes for no good reason. It becomes particularly bad when you cover children, which is what covering politics is like.

It comes to, in the end, who is the most believable, which presentation of "facts" is most likely to be more true. Example, in Saskatchewan the Conservative leader had a penchant for drama, and exaggerated everything. What he said might be true, but incorrect in the meaning he wants taken from it, now legitimized as "spin".

In this case I do not know the record of Mr. Comey and note that in this affair there have been some questionable remarks by him. In the above, when answering questions about Trumps tweets about being wire taped, he is completely believable.

Having said that, I also have to note that Donald Trump has issued nearly 600 lies in his 100 days in office; his campaign was marked by hundreds of lies. Further, the history of his business practices Trump is often in hot water, and is known for highly exaggerating his accomplishments. Also, my experience with boastful people is that they are generally dishonest and in many cases not to be trusted at all.

Son in the end if I MUST make a choice, then Trump wins the contest hands down.

In my some 30 years in journalism I have never met a public official whom came anywhere near the lying and false accusations against others. Obama will be known for Obamacare in time, Trump will be known for being the opposite of Abe Lincoln.
 
Trump is a serial liar who could not be trusted regarding anything related to .... well .... anything.

Comey has made some bad decisions but I know of no track record of him being lair.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Comey has been caught lying. Trump has not invoked "executive privilege" which he can easily do.


Are you sure your opinion is anything more than "homerism"?
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Please elucidate the "lies" Comey has told. I am not the only one who would like to compare his record against that of your so-called "leader" and see just who is more believable.

Further, I would like your honest opinion of the following collection of clips vis a vis Trumps' honesty.

 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Nor can the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. have you not been paying attention?

Congress, democrats, republicans. etc.....

Depends, you would have to quote him.
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Well, I'm just referring to him saying the electoral system is corruptible, the media is all crooked liars, the intelligence services like Nazi Germany, etc. He said, “I know that corruption has reached a level like never ever before in our country.”
He has a low opinion of America is what I'm saying, an opinion that looks like it's shared by a lot of people.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Please elucidate the "lies" Comey has told. I am not the only one who would like to compare his record against that of your so-called "leader" and see just who is more believable.

Further, I would like your honest opinion of the following collection of clips vis a vis Trumps' honesty.

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Nice.
 
No one in Washington is above lying. But I'll go with Comey here.

Trump has a truckload of 'less than forthright' baggage.

In addition, how can you trust a president that refuses to release his tax returns?
 
Fenton said:
Comey already testified that there was no attempt to obstruct
Comey Admitted Under Oath That Obstruction To FBI Probe 'Never Happened' | Daily Wire

Im guessing the Left wants Comey to perjur himself ?

And as the sitting FBI director didnt report Trumps alleded attempt to obstruct a ongoing investigation to the DOJ. Thats a felony.

As a witness in a criminal investiation Comey has zero credibillity and all the motive as a disgruntled ex-FBI director to make up the whole thing after the fact
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That link is nothing, but a overly biased opinion piece. What 'never happened' was the quote in the title. Comey was asked:

"HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?"

So Comey answered:

"COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience."

The context was not if Trump had Obstructed justice, the question was if the "Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation" Comey said not in his experience.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That link is nothing, but a overly biased opinion piece. What 'never happened' was the quote in the title. Comey was asked:

"HIRONO: So if the Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?

COMEY: In theory yes.

HIRONO: Has it happened?"

So Comey answered:

"COMEY: Not in my experience. Because it would be a big deal to tell the FBI to stop doing something that -- without an appropriate purpose. I mean where oftentimes they give us opinions that we don't see a case there and so you ought to stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a situation where we were told to stop something for a political reason, that would be a very big deal. It's not happened in my experience."

The context was not if Trump had Obstructed justice, the question was if the "Attorney General or senior officials at the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation" Comey said not in his experience.
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Shhhhhhh.....

You'll positively ruin the false narrative!
 
I wouldn't go so far as to unequivocally say that Comey is telling the whole and complete truth, but I certainly trust and believe him far more than Trump; a habitual liar who presently has far more incentive to lie than Comey does.
 
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