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To my "Lefty" Friends: Does Kathy Griffin need to go away?

Did Kathy Griffin go to far?

  • Yes, she did, this was embarassing for the Left.

    Votes: 16 31.4%

  • Yes, she did, but this is not a reflection on the Left.

    Votes: 26 51.0%

  • Nope, she didn't, but it probably didn't help either.

    Votes: 8 15.7%

  • She was spot on, and deserves a gold star.

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • Total voters
    51
  • Poll closed .
TheGoverness said:
So true. She's a comedian in name only.
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I liked her in that TV show, before she maimed herself (at least that is how she looked suddenly) but as a stand up comic I think she is highly overrated.

Myself I am more prone to British comedians, the big Yin being my favorite. The one I liked best from the US was the late and great Robin Williams. But Griffin is a no fun hack.
 
CMPancake said:
Standards and your scrupels shouldn't be defined by party lines. If you sincerely believed that the images of Obama being lynched and having artists like Ted Nugent call for Obama's execution were offensive then you should absolutely hold Griffen, and anyone else who is considered a democrat to that same standard.

Unless of course you want to be a partisan hack.
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You pretty much said the same as me....standards should be across the board and not be based on party....but look around these forums and other areas where politics are discussed, including the media and you clearly see very short memories, finger pointing, name calling, and double standards coming from "ALL" sides. Over the last few decades, the vitriol seems to have worsened towards each new administration and opposition party.
 
The Trump decapitation stunt is tasteless. That said, Kathy Griffin represents no one except herself.
 
"Does Kathy Griffin need to go away?"
Yes.

Meanwhile, telling the president to "suck on my machine gun" gets you a ****-ton of appearances with Sean Hannity, a gig as a Trump surrogate and an invitation to the Trump White House.
 
ajn678 said:
Not that I want to make it a crime for what she did, but just imagine some Republican of the same fame level doing this or a fake lynching of an Obama body double.
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Why that Republican would probably be welcomed by Trump into the White House.

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Of course, unlike with Nugent, the left condemned Kathy Griffin.
 

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OlNate said:
So, first of all, I hate Trump, and all he stands for, and I think the world will be a better place starting from first second he is no longer in office. Just to make sure you know where I'm coming from...hehe...

However:

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At some point we need to start holding ourselves to account, and this seems to be a pretty good place to begin. There are enough legitimate issues to tackle, and enough legitimate ways to do it, that I think we can say there is a bar, and this falls below it.

I don't think it's good to insert too much opinion into a poll, so I'll wait to discuss it in the thread... What do you guys think?

PS: This is not a poll about Free Speech.
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I can't think of anybody who liked Griffin's photoshoot. From what I've seen the unanimous reaction has been that it was in horrible taste.

That said, Republicans who cheered Gianforte's beating of a reporter at worst or who remained silent at best, miraculously came out in droves to condemn a photo shoot in which, bad taste or not, nobody was actually harmed. As a stark contrast to Griffin's photograph and the reactions to both, it was highly educational as to what, if anything, Republicans stand for any longer.
 
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So, here's my take on all of this.

Regarding what anyone else has done, in terms of burning effigies, or any other inflammatory gesture from the Right, I'm not sure I care. We, on the Left, constantly make fun of the Right for deflecting Trump's poor behavior by referencing real or supposed gaffes from the Left. If we want to continue to enjoy that high road, we need to ensure that we condemn the actions of those claiming to be on "our side" with equal passion. So, "Yes, she did a bad thing, but so did {fill in the blank}" doesn't work for me personally as a good response from the Left on this.

Now, I know it's tough...it often feels like if anyone, regardless of "side", gives an inch, the other "side" doesn't just take a mile, they take the whole road. But at the end of the day, integrity is a long term investment. And when it comes to dealing with undeniably bad behavior, the quickest way to stop the noise is to say "You're right, she shouldn't have, and we never would". It also allows us to stay on the high road, which is ultimately where you want to me - I mean, if you can't be on the high road with your political ideologies, maybe you need to rethink your political ideologies, no?

This should embarrass the Left, because it was done in our name. The right response to that embarrassment is to make it clear that this behavior is below us. If we're that sure of our position, we don't need to condone or defend this kind of behavior, it's clearly gross, and stands on it's own, regardless of what "the other guys" did in the past.

My 2 cents...
 
OlNate said:
So, here's my take on all of this.

Regarding what anyone else has done, in terms of burning effigies, or any other inflammatory gesture from the Right, I'm not sure I care. We, on the Left, constantly make fun of the Right for deflecting Trump's poor behavior by referencing real or supposed gaffes from the Left. If we want to continue to enjoy that high road, we need to ensure that we condemn the actions of those claiming to be on "our side" with equal passion. So, "Yes, she did a bad thing, but so did {fill in the blank}" doesn't work for me personally as a good response from the Left on this.

Now, I know it's tough...it often feels like if anyone, regardless of "side", gives an inch, the other "side" doesn't just take a mile, they take the whole road. But at the end of the day, integrity is a long term investment. And when it comes to dealing with undeniably bad behavior, the quickest way to stop the noise is to say "You're right, she shouldn't have, and we never would". It also allows us to stay on the high road, which is ultimately where you want to me - I mean, if you can't be on the high road with your political ideologies, maybe you need to rethink your political ideologies, no?

This should embarrass the Left, because it was done in our name. The right response to that embarrassment is to make it clear that this behavior is below us. If we're that sure of our position, we don't need to condone or defend this kind of behavior, it's clearly gross, and stands on it's own, regardless of what "the other guys" did in the past.

My 2 cents...
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Here's my 2 cents.

This kind of crap will just keep getting worse as long as we view everything as a "left" or a "right" issue. We are all Americans and this nation was founded on the fundamental principle that as long as we remain free from political oppression we will continue to be free to conduct our lives and our affairs in the myriad ways we believe will benefit us most. What has happened, however, is that we have become beholden to one of two major political parties. The result is that we have divided ourselves along ideological lines. We no longer think in terms of "America". We think in terms of how we can increase the power of our chosen party. We have, in effect, chosen to be subjects of the state rather than leaders in our own realms, striving for a more free society with ever greater opportunity.

Freedom comes with responsibility. If we wish to remain free we, at the individual level, need to care for our children, care for our environment and care for our communities. Those responsibilities must not be delegated to the state because in every case the state will seek first to satisfy themselves.

We have, for the past several decades, been looking to the state to save us from ourselves. Trump is the first president we have seen in a long time that will not make an attempt to save us and the backlash against him is the result of fear. It's the result of fear that we may once again need to stand up for ourselves and, in doing so, also stand up for the principles on which this nation was founded.

The Griffin thing is a sick joke. It's a pathetic reflection of what we have become as a nation and it's something we should look at as a learning experience.
 
Kathy Griffin doesn't represent me or my ideology.

Her actions were certainly in poor taste though (as is most of her 'comedy'), but she can do any tasteless thing she damn well pleases so long as no laws are broken (as many conservatives can and do).
 
Lutherf said:
Here's my 2 cents.

This kind of crap will just keep getting worse as long as we view everything as a "left" or a "right" issue. We are all Americans and this nation was founded on the fundamental principle that as long as we remain free from political oppression we will continue to be free to conduct our lives and our affairs in the myriad ways we believe will benefit us most. What has happened, however, is that we have become beholden to one of two major political parties. The result is that we have divided ourselves along ideological lines. We no longer think in terms of "America". We think in terms of how we can increase the power of our chosen party. We have, in effect, chosen to be subjects of the state rather than leaders in our own realms, striving for a more free society with ever greater opportunity.

Freedom comes with responsibility. If we wish to remain free we, at the individual level, need to care for our children, care for our environment and care for our communities. Those responsibilities must not be delegated to the state because in every case the state will seek first to satisfy themselves.

We have, for the past several decades, been looking to the state to save us from ourselves. Trump is the first president we have seen in a long time that will not make an attempt to save us and the backlash against him is the result of fear. It's the result of fear that we may once again need to stand up for ourselves and, in doing so, also stand up for the principles on which this nation was founded.

The Griffin thing is a sick joke. It's a pathetic reflection of what we have become as a nation and it's something we should look at as a learning experience.
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So, I agree with your first paragraph and your last paragraph, and your second paragraph is pretty good too. So, we're mostly in agreement. But stepping back from the polarization that Trump and Clinton crystalized beyond anything seen before isn't as easy as "Hey, you know, you really should stop it"... Like it or not, you guys are a nation totally and completely divided, almost down the middle. That's a long road back you're looking at, and building integrity is a part of that....and building integrity means calling out your own "side's" fringes, as it is the fringes that make it impossible for the two sides to start talking to each other like neighbors again...
 
OlNate said:
So, I agree with your first paragraph and your last paragraph, and your second paragraph is pretty good too. So, we're mostly in agreement. But stepping back from the polarization that Trump and Clinton crystalized beyond anything seen before isn't as easy as "Hey, you know, you really should stop it"... Like it or not, you guys are a nation totally and completely divided, almost down the middle. That's a long road back you're looking at, and building integrity is a part of that....and building integrity means calling out your own "side's" fringes, as it is the fringes that make it impossible for the two sides to start talking to each other like neighbors again...
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We've been 70+ years in building to this divide so it's unlikely that we'll reverse it in just a few years. The first thing that needs to happen is that people need to stop looking at DC to solve their problems and start looking in the mirror. That part should start happening post haste.
 
OlNate said:
So, first of all, I hate Trump, and all he stands for, and I think the world will be a better place starting from first second he is no longer in office. Just to make sure you know where I'm coming from...hehe...

However:

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At some point we need to start holding ourselves to account, and this seems to be a pretty good place to begin. There are enough legitimate issues to tackle, and enough legitimate ways to do it, that I think we can say there is a bar, and this falls below it.

I don't think it's good to insert too much opinion into a poll, so I'll wait to discuss it in the thread... What do you guys think?

PS: This is not a poll about Free Speech.
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She was 100 % in the wrong. If she had given it a moments thought she could have easily gone after Trump on Polices, healthcare, Russia, business conflicts. Not like he has a shortage of major issues going on all at the same time.
 
I did not have a valid option.

* Yes, she did, this was embarassing for the Left but they did not care because they have had a mass psychotic breakdown. **Swings at imaginary fly**


She lost her squatty potty gig over it. CNN is waiting to see how it plays out before taking any actions.
 
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It's telling that so many responses don't address the question but are "but Nugent".
 
Nilly said:
1. I didn't know who Kathy Griffith was before this whole debacle.
2. The photoshoot was tasteless
3. Anyone who is outraged over this but knowingly voted in a president that admitted to grabbing women by the ***** can jog on, as far as I'm concerned. Your double standards are clear.
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What's clear is your fundamental reading ability. Obviously the Progressive that created the OP couched it in policing your own. Did you vote for Trump? Did any "lefty"? OK then.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Why that Republican would probably be welcomed by Trump into the White House.

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Of course, unlike with Nugent, the left condemned Kathy Griffin.
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Where did Nugent perform a mock lynching of Obama? I must have missed that part.
 
She went too far. I think what she did should be legally protected speech, but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged by society.

Some have said it is never funny to joke about the death of a President. I disagree. I'm sure a skilled comedian could craft such a joke that was funny. Skilled comedians can make the most morbid of subjects funny. But Griffith is not a skilled comedian.

And her behavior no more reflects on the Left as a whole than Nugent's behavior reflects on the Right.
 
OlNate said:
So, first of all, I hate Trump, and all he stands for, and I think the world will be a better place starting from first second he is no longer in office. Just to make sure you know where I'm coming from...hehe...

However:

No Cookies | Herald Sun

At some point we need to start holding ourselves to account, and this seems to be a pretty good place to begin. There are enough legitimate issues to tackle, and enough legitimate ways to do it, that I think we can say there is a bar, and this falls below it.

I don't think it's good to insert too much opinion into a poll, so I'll wait to discuss it in the thread... What do you guys think?

PS: This is not a poll about Free Speech.
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Yes it was way to far, but if she showed Trump in Black Face and all Tared & Feathered, maybe that would be more palatable, at least it was with it was done to the previous President.
 
It makes fun of beheadings. I wonder how the Berg family feels after seeing her nonsense.

There are some places you just shouldn't go.
 
TheGoverness said:
Lefty here. While I'm no fan of Donald Trump, I do think Kathy Griffin went too far with that photo shoot. It was very disrespectful, not to mention a little bit disturbing.
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CNN Agrees with you. They just booted her from their New Years Eve coverage after 10 years:

CNN Cuts Ties With Kathy Griffin | HuffPost

CNN has decided to end its decadelong relationship with Kathy Griffin as a result of the comedian’s controversial photo shoot, in which she held a prop that resembled the bloodied head of President Donald Trump.
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This was another gem: "If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year." Nugent
 
Cigar said:
Yes it was way to far, but if she showed Trump in Black Face and all Tared & Feathered, maybe that would be more palatable, at least it was with it was done to the previous President.
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Yes...but is that really the standard against which we want to measure ourselves? I'm not sure that's even relevant... I don't want "our" fringe to be as obnoxious as "their" fringe, do you?
 
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