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Is Trump responsbile for violence by Chrisitan terrorists?[W:40]

Is Trump responsbile for violence by Chrisitan terrorists?

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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?
 
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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?

Neither Trump nor Obama are responsible for the actions of other people. But, he's not helping the situation...and, neither did Obama. That's for sure.
 
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The question that I would ask is has either given legitimacy to either of their causes?

Black Lives Matter activists join Obama at forum on policing - CNN.com

BLM activists attending White House meeting on police practices


Has Trump invited any so called "Chrisitan terrorists" to a shared talk or the White House?

Did you see any of trump's rallies in Campaign trail? It wasn't the white house, but what difference does the venue make?
 
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Did you see any of trump's rallies in Campaign trail? It wasn't the white house, but what difference does the venue make?

OK, lets suppose that the venue isn't pertinent to the question.

Were there "Chrisitan terrorists" at Trump rallies?
Were those "Chrisitan terrorists" endorsed or supported by any of the Trump campaign?

Hey, I'm just asking questions here.
 
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OK, lets suppose that the venue isn't pertinent to the question.

Were there "Chrisitan terrorists" at Trump rallies?
Were those "Chrisitan terrorists" endorsed or supported by any of the Trump campaign?

Hey, I'm just asking questions here.

Not sure if you are asking a serious question or bitching about a typo?
 
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Not sure if you are asking a serious question or bitching about a typo?

100% serious questions. I didn't even notice the typo (as I copied and pasted it). ;)
 
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OK, lets suppose that the venue isn't pertinent to the question.

Were there "Chrisitan terrorists" at Trump rallies?
Were those "Chrisitan terrorists" endorsed or supported by any of the Trump campaign?

Hey, I'm just asking questions here.

I prefer white identity to christian - and these are the groups that supot Trump and espouse violence. Yes, white identity terrorists did go to Trump rallies.

United States


American Nazi Party, is an antisemitic, neo-Nazi organization based largely upon the ideals and policies of Adolf Hitler's NSDAP in Germany during the era of the Third Reich but it claims that it is in conformance with the Constitutional principles of the U.S.'s Founding Fathers. It also supports Holocaust denial.
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is, according to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the largest and most violent white supremacist prison gangs in the United States, responsible for murders and other violent crimes.
Aryan Nations, is a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat", and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.
Creativity Alliance, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator) is a white supremacist political organization that advocates the racialist religion, Creativity. Mainly religious rather than political, the radical Creativity Alliance or Church of Creativity, founded by Ben Klassen in 1973, worships the white race itself rather than any deity, and advocates a radical form of white supremacism known as RAHOWA.
EURO, is a white separatist organization in the United States. Led by former Louisiana state representative and presidential primary candidate David Duke, it was founded in 2000.
Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present right-wing[63] organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy and nationalism. The Klan is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. It is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members, split among dozens of different organizations that use the Klan name as of 2012.
National Alliance, is a white supremacist political organization. It was founded by William Luther Pierce, and is based in the Pierce family's compound in Hillsboro, West Virginia.
National Vanguard, was an American National Socialist organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia, founded by Kevin Alfred Strom and former members of the National Alliance.
The Order, or Brüder Schweigen ("Silent Brotherhood") was a white supremacist Revolutionary organization founded by Robert Jay Mathews, active 1983-1984, probably best known for the 1984 murder of talk show host Alan Berg. Berg's killing was to be the first in a planned series of assassinations, followed by attacks on the United States government, all meant to bring about a race war which would result in fulfillment of White Separatist ideals (see Northwest Territorial Imperative).
Phineas Priesthood, is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation.
Volksfront, describes itself as an international fraternal organization for persons of European descent. It has been called "neo-Nazi" and a "racist-skinhead group" in press reports. The Anti-Defamation League has called the group "one of the most active skinhead groups in the United States." The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added Volksfront to its list of hate groups.
White Aryan Resistance, is a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization founded and led by former Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger.

As I recall Trump accepted KKK endorsement, as well as endorsement by other groups. BLM doesn't have a body count - some of these groups have pretty high body counts (McVeigh, anyone).
 
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I prefer white identity to christian - and these are the groups that supot Trump and espouse violence. Yes, white identity terrorists did go to Trump rallies.

United States


American Nazi Party, is an antisemitic, neo-Nazi organization based largely upon the ideals and policies of Adolf Hitler's NSDAP in Germany during the era of the Third Reich but it claims that it is in conformance with the Constitutional principles of the U.S.'s Founding Fathers. It also supports Holocaust denial.
Aryan Brotherhood of Texas is, according to the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center, one of the largest and most violent white supremacist prison gangs in the United States, responsible for murders and other violent crimes.
Aryan Nations, is a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization founded in the 1970s by Richard Girnt Butler as an arm of the Christian Identity group known as the Church of Jesus Christ-Christian. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has called Aryan Nations a "terrorist threat", and the RAND Corporation has called it the "first truly nationwide terrorist network" in the US.
Creativity Alliance, (formerly known as the World Church of the Creator) is a white supremacist political organization that advocates the racialist religion, Creativity. Mainly religious rather than political, the radical Creativity Alliance or Church of Creativity, founded by Ben Klassen in 1973, worships the white race itself rather than any deity, and advocates a radical form of white supremacism known as RAHOWA.
EURO, is a white separatist organization in the United States. Led by former Louisiana state representative and presidential primary candidate David Duke, it was founded in 2000.
Ku Klux Klan, often abbreviated KKK and informally known as The Klan, is the name of three distinct past and present right-wing[63] organizations in the United States, which have advocated extremist reactionary currents such as white supremacy and nationalism. The Klan is classified as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. It is estimated to have between 5,000 and 8,000 members, split among dozens of different organizations that use the Klan name as of 2012.
National Alliance, is a white supremacist political organization. It was founded by William Luther Pierce, and is based in the Pierce family's compound in Hillsboro, West Virginia.
National Vanguard, was an American National Socialist organization based in Charlottesville, Virginia, founded by Kevin Alfred Strom and former members of the National Alliance.
The Order, or Brüder Schweigen ("Silent Brotherhood") was a white supremacist Revolutionary organization founded by Robert Jay Mathews, active 1983-1984, probably best known for the 1984 murder of talk show host Alan Berg. Berg's killing was to be the first in a planned series of assassinations, followed by attacks on the United States government, all meant to bring about a race war which would result in fulfillment of White Separatist ideals (see Northwest Territorial Imperative).
Phineas Priesthood, is a Christian Identity movement that opposes interracial intercourse, the mixing of races, homosexuality, and abortion. It is also marked by its anti-Semitism, anti-multiculturalism, and opposition to taxation.
Volksfront, describes itself as an international fraternal organization for persons of European descent. It has been called "neo-Nazi" and a "racist-skinhead group" in press reports. The Anti-Defamation League has called the group "one of the most active skinhead groups in the United States." The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has added Volksfront to its list of hate groups.
White Aryan Resistance, is a neo-Nazi white supremacist organization founded and led by former Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Metzger.

As I recall Trump accepted KKK endorsement, as well as endorsement by other groups. BLM doesn't have a body count - some of these groups have pretty high body counts (McVeigh, anyone).

Quite a laundry list of disturbed people. Not exactly on topic though.

Nice try at some sort of connection between Trump and any White Supremacists groups.

Trump campaign denounces KKK's official newspaper's support ...

Donald Trump denounces David Duke, KKK - CNNPolitics.com

Donald Trump's campaign denounces support from KKK newspaper ...


Too bad that they were denounced, as is appropriate.

The fact of the matter is that no candidate can control who endorses them and who doesn't. All they can do is denounce such endorsements after the fact.
 
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As I recall Trump accepted KKK endorsement, as well as endorsement by other groups.

Uhhhh....wat? I haven't read something this ridiculous in a long time. What other fantasies do you believe are true?
 
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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?

Errr....78.5% of the US's over 320 million people identify as Christian. That's over 250 million people. Your question is invalid. There is no Christian terrorism problem. If there was, you'd see a lot more of it, merely due to the overwhelming demographic imbalance.
 
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Errr....78.5% of the US's over 320 million people identify as Christian. That's over 250 million people. Your question is invalid. There is no Christian terrorism problem. If there was, you'd see a lot more of it, merely due to the overwhelming demographic imbalance.

One of the basic Christian tenants is to 'turn the other cheek', and not return violence with violence. Sure, some are better, or more, Christian than others, but still, with that large a population. . . . .

Much the same with the NRA members and / or firearm owners, which numbers are huge, yet rarely involved in a violent shooting. It's always far more so criminals with firearms, usually illegal ones.
 
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One of the basic Christian tenants is to 'turn the other cheek', and not return violence with violence. Sure, some are better, or more, Christian than others, but still, with that large a population. . . . .

Much the same with the NRA members and / or firearm owners, which numbers are huge, yet rarely involved in a violent shooting. It's always far more so criminals with firearms, usually illegal ones.

Not to mention that even in the few actual attacks, very few of them were motivated out of their Christian beliefs. They do it for motivations based in racism or bigotry and such and that they are also Christian is more of a coincidence. The only exceptions I can think of are the ones surrounding the abortion issue, and those are few and far between. Again, over 250 million people out there. There's bound to be a few crazies.
 
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Not to mention that even in the few actual attacks, very few of them were motivated out of their Christian beliefs. They do it for motivations based in racism or bigotry and such and that they are also Christian is more of a coincidence. The only exceptions I can think of are the ones surrounding the abortion issue, and those are few and far between. Again, over 250 million people out there. There's bound to be a few crazies.

To be fair, the reverse applies as well. With as many as subscribe to the leftist agenda, there are bound to be a few crazies there as well.
 
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To be fair, the reverse applies as well. With as many as subscribe to the leftist agenda, there are bound to be a few crazies there as well.

True, and I wouldn't say lefties are terroristic but they are definitely toeing the line these days with their riots and attacks on the political opposition. I consider there actions to be very close to terrorism and it's becoming more widespread and mainstream.
 
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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?

How much such violence is there objectively?
 
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True, and I wouldn't say lefties are terroristic but they are definitely toeing the line these days with their riots and attacks on the political opposition. I consider there actions to be very close to terrorism and it's becoming more widespread and mainstream.

Seems that the left is hell bent on silencing any opposing opinions or viewpoints. Just have to see the crops of the seeds they've sown on campuses where any conservative thought is disrupted and / or suppressed under threat of violence, Berzerkley being the prime example. Berzerkley isn't an outlier, the same mentality has spread far and wide across many a college campuses, and doesn't speak well, i the least, for the future.
 
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Seems that the left is hell bent on silencing any opposing opinions or viewpoints. Just have to see the crops of the seeds they've sown on campuses where any conservative thought is disrupted and / or suppressed under threat of violence, Berzerkley being the prime example. Berzerkley isn't an outlier, the same mentality has spread far and wide across many a college campuses, and doesn't speak well, i the least, for the future.

Exactly, and that is the definition of terrorism. The only thing lacking to take it to the next level is actually killing people. Lower levels of violence has already been normalized and is systemic. Any college campus that doesn't expel their students for such activity has now condoned it as acceptable.
 
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Exactly, and that is the definition of terrorism. The only thing lacking to take it to the next level is actually killing people. Lower levels of violence has already been normalized and is systemic. Any college campus that doesn't expel their students for such activity has now condoned it as acceptable.

The silencing of opposing political thought and speech, isn't that more fascist than terrorist? More totalitarian than terrorist?
Clearly, when killing people of the political opposition becomes commonplace, that most assuredly is terrorism, I would think.

"Any college campus that doesn't expel their students for such activity has now condoned it as acceptable."
Indeed they have. The students who believe that such activity is acceptable are going to run into problems when they join the real world, and promptly get arrested for it.

The colleges and professors, being permissive of such behavior and activity and in some cases encouraging it, aren't doing the their students any favors in the least.
 
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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?

It feels that way since the justifications seem to mirror Trumpian rhetoric, but I'd have to see if statistics support that impression, and that's an awfully difficult thing to quantify.
 
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The silencing of opposing political thought and speech, isn't that more fascist than terrorist? More totalitarian than terrorist?
Clearly, when killing people of the political opposition becomes commonplace, that most assuredly is terrorism, I would think.

The definition of terrorism is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation to achieve a political goal. Fascism would be if the same types of tactics were being used by government forces or it was condoned by the law.
 
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The definition of terrorism is the unlawful use of violence and intimidation to achieve a political goal. Fascism would be if the same types of tactics were being used by government forces or it was condoned by the law.

OK. Fair enough. Given the phrasing of your definition, seems more legal oriented, than the common use one I was using. So fair enough.

Suffice it to say that militant liberals, ones that suppress speech and ideas not to their liking through violence and intimidation are domestic terrorists. I'm good with that.

Seems that education system has grown an entire generation of domestic terrorists through their liberal / progressive indoctrination. This is cause for concern.
 
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OK. Fair enough. Given the phrasing of your definition, seems more legal oriented, than the common use one I was using. So fair enough.

Suffice it to say that militant liberals, ones that suppress speech and ideas not to their liking through violence and intimidation are domestic terrorists. I'm good with that.

Seems that education system has grown an entire generation of domestic terrorists through their liberal / progressive indoctrination. This is cause for concern.

Yeah...I was kinda going off of the actual definition and more of how we commonly think about it. So that's why I left it at "toeing the line" as it's technically in that definition now but not all the all out version of blowing and shooting people up yet.

However, once the current levels of violence are normalized, then it will not seen to be so extreme to go a little bit further as the next step.
 
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Obama was blamed for inciting violence against cops by blm members. Does the same apply to trump for radicalizing christians like that thug in portland?


I voted YES, why?

If Trump wasn't wealthy & didn't have so many stupid people wrapped around his dick he would likely be a serial killer, most likely in prison

Trump is a modern day Charles Manson ...........
 
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