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Suicide or not?

Suicide or not?

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Cephus said:
Why do you assume that the purpose of suicide is to escape child support? Are you really this blatantly dishonest?
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I didn't say that was the purpose. I just said that under your system this would be an allowable option.
 
phattonez said:
I didn't say that was the purpose. I just said that under your system this would be an allowable option.
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Sure, but how do you stop it? How do you stop someone from putting a bullet in their head to get out of whatever you don't want them to get out of? Just how much power do you think you have?
 
Cephus said:
Sure, but how do you stop it? How do you stop someone from putting a bullet in their head to get out of whatever you don't want them to get out of? Just how much power do you think you have?
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I don't think that you can physically stop it, but not enabling it would seem to be a good thing.
 
phattonez said:
I don't think that you can physically stop it, but not enabling it would seem to be a good thing.
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You're just pulling excuses right out of your ass that are not at all evident in the OP, because you have no rational way to argue against it. It's okay, we all know that's all you can do.
 
Cephus said:
You're just pulling excuses right out of your ass that are not at all evident in the OP, because you have no rational way to argue against it. It's okay, we all know that's all you can do.
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What I'm showing is that suicide is not an individual matter, as others have claims on the life of a man, and as such, the desire to end ones life cannot be totally in the hands of that man.
 
phattonez said:
What I'm showing is that suicide is not an individual matter, as others have claims on the life of a man, and as such, the desire to end ones life cannot be totally in the hands of that man.
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Try dealing with the OP, as stated.
 
phattonez said:
I'm making the case that others have claims on the life of a person. For instance, children. Spouses also have a claim, and parents have a claim on their children.
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You are diverting from the topic.

This thread should make it clear there is a distinction of two types of suicide.
One where someone is so depressed they no longer care about their family or what they want and goes and kills themselves. This is what you are referring to.

There is the other suicide also called assisted suicide which is the topic of this thread.
That is where due to illness or other good reasons the person intending suicide is in agreement with the the immediate family that that is the best option. Such situations do happen.

The case you are trying to make blurs the distinction.
 
soylentgreen said:
You are diverting from the topic.

This thread should make it clear there is a distinction of two types of suicide.
One where someone is so depressed they no longer care about their family or what they want and goes and kills themselves. This is what you are referring to.

There is the other suicide also called assisted suicide which is the topic of this thread.
That is where due to illness or other good reasons the person intending suicide is in agreement with the the immediate family that that is the best option. Such situations do happen.

The case you are trying to make blurs the distinction.
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As I've pointed out many times and he just doesn't care. He's got a bizarre anti-suicide fetish that he's got to push.
 
Cephus said:
As I've pointed out many times and he just doesn't care. He's got a bizarre anti-suicide fetish that he's got to push.
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No, I'm fine with, say, someone with cancer who has about a week to live refusing surgery with a low success rate. To me, that's not suicide. It is suicide if you can extend your life for a reasonable amount of time with simple treatment but you refuse it.
 
phattonez said:
No, I'm fine with, say, someone with cancer who has about a week to live refusing surgery with a low success rate. To me, that's not suicide. It is suicide if you can extend your life for a reasonable amount of time with simple treatment but you refuse it.
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Why do you care what the rate of success is? Cancer, no matter how long you have to live, sucks. Why is it any of your business what someone chooses to do with their own body? And don't try to introduce other nonsense, just answer the question. Why is it your business?
 
Cephus said:
Why do you care what the rate of success is? Cancer, no matter how long you have to live, sucks. Why is it any of your business what someone chooses to do with their own body? And don't try to introduce other nonsense, just answer the question. Why is it your business?
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Someone with cancer who has a year to live should not kill themselves for the sake of their family.
 
phattonez said:
Someone with cancer who has a year to live should not kill themselves for the sake of their family.
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There you go introducing irrelevant things because you are incapable of just answering a question as asked.
 
Cephus said:
There you go introducing irrelevant things because you are incapable of just answering a question as asked.
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That's not irrelevant. It's why suicide is wrong. It affects other people.
 
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