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Suicide or not?

Suicide or not?

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I hit yes but it really isn't... it is just dying naturally.
 
Lovebug said:
Lets say a guy is diagnosed with a terminal illness and gets into an accident. The doctors diagnose him with bleeding in the brain. The patient is refusing treatment, knowing the brain bleed will kill him.
Is that equivalent to suicide? Why or why not?
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If the treatment could save him and is reasonable, then yes, it is suicide.
 
Lovebug said:
I didn't ask the question to render judgment one way or the other. The question came to mind when I watched an episode of Chicago Med. The patient had ALS, tripped, fell, banged his head and was diagnosed with a brain bleed, refused treatment because of the ALS. They escalated the situation with the additional diagnosis of disseminated intravascular coagulation.
I have personally not made up my mind if it is suicide or not, a very personal choice imo.
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I say 'no'. At least from a legal standpoint. We allow "Do not resuscitate" orders, and I see this a variation of that. He has a disease, and doesn't want heroic efforts to unnaturally prolong his life.

Side note: Most diseases are cruel, but ALS is wicked evil cruel. I can see why he'd make that choice.
 
phattonez said:
If the treatment could save him and is reasonable, then yes, it is suicide.
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But by definition, the treatment can't save him because he's got a terminal illness. Saving him from one thing, only to have him die of another, isn't actually saving him.
 
Cephus said:
But by definition, the treatment can't save him because he's got a terminal illness. Saving him from one thing, only to have him die of another, isn't actually saving him.
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This is where the reasonableness comes into play. If it could extend his life by a year then it's worth it. If it's only going to save him a few days, then is it really worth doing anything? If it's simple maybe, but probably not for a very complicated operation.
 
phattonez said:
This is where the reasonableness comes into play. If it could extend his life by a year then it's worth it. If it's only going to save him a few days, then is it really worth doing anything? If it's simple maybe, but probably not for a very complicated operation.
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Worth it to who? What makes you think you have any say in the matter?
 
Cephus said:
Worth it to who? What makes you think you have any say in the matter?
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Who says that only the individual should have any say in the matter?
 
Yes + it's not my damn business
 
phattonez said:
This is where the reasonableness comes into play. If it could extend his life by a year then it's worth it. If it's only going to save him a few days, then is it really worth doing anything? If it's simple maybe, but probably not for a very complicated operation.
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What about quality of life and dignity? Not being able to walk, talk, feed and clean oneself is only the beginning.
 
phattonez said:
Who says that only the individual should have any say in the matter?
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Who else is involved but the individual? Why is their life any of your damn business?
 
Cephus said:
Who else is involved but the individual? Why is their life any of your damn business?
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Their family, their children, their community, and their nation.
 
Lovebug said:
What about quality of life and dignity? Not being able to walk, talk, feed and clean oneself is only the beginning.
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Should we kill the autistic?
 
Lovebug said:
Lets say a guy is diagnosed with a terminal illness and gets into an accident. The doctors diagnose him with bleeding in the brain. The patient is refusing treatment, knowing the brain bleed will kill him.
Is that equivalent to suicide? Why or why not?
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Technically that is suicide but obviously with extenuating circumstanes.

Most suicides are not due to some terminal medical issue, they are the product of a irrational and also a very selfish thought process.

The Bible equates suicide to murder, it a sin, and as a Christian I agree. Life is a gift and no one has ever that I know of stated that it would be free of pain and despair.

That pain is part of what makes us human, its part of the human condition but there is also enough beauty in this world to make life worth living.
 
phattonez said:
Their family, their children, their community, and their nation.
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No, actually, it's not. It is none of your damn business if someone chooses to live or die. Get over yourself.
 
Cephus said:
No, actually, it's not. It is none of your damn business if someone chooses to live or die. Get over yourself.
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Children should have no say over whether their father should off himself?
 
phattonez said:
Children should have no say over whether their father should off himself?
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Nope. They can express their opinion but they ultimately have no say and no control. They cannot force someone not to do something with their own body.
 
Cephus said:
Nope. They can express their opinion but they ultimately have no say and no control. They cannot force someone not to do something with their own body.
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So a father should be able to impregnate a female and have no obligation to the children that he fathers?
 
phattonez said:
So a father should be able to impregnate a female and have no obligation to the children that he fathers?
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What does that have to do with suicide?
 
Cephus said:
What does that have to do with suicide?
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Because it proves that the children have a claim on the life of the father.
 
Cephus said:
No they don't. Geez, what's wrong with you?
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If they don't then you're fine with deadbeat fathers not paying child support for their children.
 
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