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Should Trump Be Impeached?

Should Trump Be Impeached?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 43.2%
  • No

    Votes: 37 45.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 11.1%

  • Total voters
    81
But being that he is such a political idiot, we may never get to see if his agenda is good or not.

I think you're correct. Repeal and replace is stalled. It may or may not come back to life in the senate. His tax cuts is probably dead for the time being. Whether Trump is guilty of something or not, you have to admire how the Democrats have played this political game. They pretty much stymied everything Trump wanted to do and made him look idiotic with his stupid responses that plays right into the Democratic scheme. The Democrats has also been able to turn independents, the non-affiliated against him and drive Trump's job approval down below 40%.

Trump also has a problem within his own party as quite a few Republicans look at him as an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. Not as one of them. They're not about to vote for impeachment, they know come next year they will need Trump supporters to retain their seats. But they aren't going to throw themselves under the bus to defend him either. This is also of Trump's own doings. He choose to make feuds with lifelong loyal Republicans and war on the GOP establishment. He has few loyal friends, that is outside of his core supporters who have the view Trump can do no wrong.
 
I think you're correct. Repeal and replace is stalled. It may or may not come back to life in the senate. His tax cuts is probably dead for the time being. Whether Trump is guilty of something or not, you have to admire how the Democrats have played this political game. They pretty much stymied everything Trump wanted to do and made him look idiotic with his stupid responses that plays right into the Democratic scheme. The Democrats has also been able to turn independents, the non-affiliated against him and drive Trump's job approval down below 40%.

Trump also has a problem within his own party as quite a few Republicans look at him as an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. Not as one of them. They're not about to vote for impeachment, they know come next year they will need Trump supporters to retain their seats. But they aren't going to throw themselves under the bus to defend him either. This is also of Trump's own doings. He choose to make feuds with lifelong loyal Republicans and war on the GOP establishment. He has few loyal friends, that is outside of his core supporters who have the view Trump can do no wrong.

nice post but i would have also added the media has had a hand in things

fall on their own swords
 
Other--we should wait for the results of the investigations, and consider all the evidence before answering. Of course, he could do other stuff between now and then that warrants impeachment. In other words, I don't know the answer to the question, because I don't know what he has done or failed to do to warrant impeachment.
 
I think you're correct. Repeal and replace is stalled. It may or may not come back to life in the senate. His tax cuts is probably dead for the time being. Whether Trump is guilty of something or not, you have to admire how the Democrats have played this political game. They pretty much stymied everything Trump wanted to do and made him look idiotic with his stupid responses that plays right into the Democratic scheme. The Democrats has also been able to turn independents, the non-affiliated against him and drive Trump's job approval down below 40%.

Trump also has a problem within his own party as quite a few Republicans look at him as an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. Not as one of them. They're not about to vote for impeachment, they know come next year they will need Trump supporters to retain their seats. But they aren't going to throw themselves under the bus to defend him either. This is also of Trump's own doings. He choose to make feuds with lifelong loyal Republicans and war on the GOP establishment. He has few loyal friends, that is outside of his core supporters who have the view Trump can do no wrong.

Trump was elected as a radical outsider, somebody who was neither partisan nor ideologue, and who had a track record of solving big problems and getting things done. Somebody who didn't just throw up his hands and walk away when Plan A failed but who regrouped and came back with a Plan B.

He was our best shot at breaking the steel grip of the permanent political class in Washington--both Democrats and GOP--who don't WANT to interfere with the status quo because it is how they increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth while throwing the people just enough meager bones to keep themselves in power.

It was our best shot at getting political appointees who would work as public servants and/or actually do their jobs.

It was our best shot at saving the Supreme Court from those who would use it to accomplish radical activism.

It was our best shot at cleaning up the massive bureaucracy in Washington that consumes ever more of our resources while imposing more and more of itself on our daily lives.

It was our best shot at getting the nation back on track with a strong economy, liberty with our language, culture, and borders defended and strengthened.

We didn't count on the depths of pettiness and hatred from the left, however, or how strongly even the GOP in Washington would resist having their gravy train messed with in any way. So Trump has not been allowed a single day of any kind of honeymoon period and is not cut any slack in anything. He is smarter, tougher, and stronger than the average bear when it comes to problem solving, but I am more and more afraid that he will not be allowed to show us what can be done ever.

And it will be back to the status quo and the continued slow decline of America. And those making it so will have theirs and be long gone before the house of cards they have built collapses under its own weight and whoever is unlucky enough to be in power at that time will get all the blame.
 
We have so many laws that some guy wrote a book saying the average American commits an average of three felonies per day. I'm sure that Mr Trump falls in there somewhere, too.

I have the book and started it, but it's really dry and I couldn't finish it.

Yep. If Mueller recommends charges based on petty bull**** then it's a confirmed witch-hunt.
 
Does he need to?

"an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history" -Gerald Ford
A special counsel's job is to be summoned to investigate a specific crime, not "we don't like the president so go find something". Trump is already 100% correct when he says it's a witch hunt.
 
Not by a Republican majority senate. That would be political suicide and they know it.

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It actually might not be. Hitching their wagons to Trump might sink them as well. Showing bravery, vis a vis country over party might earn the GOP respect.
 
Dunno if the Don has crossed the line of impeachment yet. But:

1. The Comey firing alone puts him very close to that line.
2. He's done more than enough to deserve a thorough investigation of his actions.
3. That will only happen when we get a Congress that is willing to stand up for what's right instead of what's politically expedient.
 
No, as a matter of fact it's not. I love how the haters have been demanding, screaming, and praying for an impeachment, but when finally asked "what crime was committed", they've demurred every time. Even they've even abandoned their "obstruction of charges by firing Comey" statements. It's beyond shameful.

There are several ongoing investigations. There's no way anyone can know for sure at this point whether or not any crimes have been committed. It's safe to say Trump has made himself look pretty guilty.
 
Should Trump be impeached? *WARNING*! If you vote yes, you have to say specifically what offense he committed that he should be impeached for.

You seem ignorant of the metric for impeachment; it goes to the political system, rather than the criminal justice system.
 
There are several ongoing investigations. There's no way anyone can know for sure at this point whether or not any crimes have been committed. It's safe to say Trump has made himself look pretty guilty.
Trump looks guilty of...what exactly?
 
A special counsel's job is to be summoned to investigate a specific crime, not "we don't like the president so go find something". Trump is already 100% correct when he says it's a witch hunt.

Nixon said the same thing.
 
nice post but i would have also added the media has had a hand in things

fall on their own swords

Yes they have. Most of the media is very anti-Trump. But there again, Trump makes it easy for them. He keeps giving them ammunition to use against him. Trump takes a lighted match and turns it into a bonfire with his use of twitter and his outright dumb responses at time. The media for the most part was and always has been anti-Republican, mostly in a covert way with the exception of MSNBC and CNN who were more overt about it.
 
Trump looks guilty of...what exactly?

Donald Trump looks like someone with a lot to hide - Chicago Tribune

By firing the FBI director who was in charge of the investigation of the Trump camp's connections to Russia, the president did not douse the flames licking at his administration; rather, he fed them. He instantly turned a problem into a calamity.

Trump's motives give every appearance of being worse than political. The FBI investigation could implicate his subordinates in a collusion with an unfriendly foreign government to affect the outcome of an American election. They could also implicate him. Impeachment and prison could follow.

At every stage, the president has conducted himself like someone with a lot to hide. The sensible thing for an innocent person to do when confronted with an inquiry into suspected misconduct is to cooperate fully in bringing the facts to light. The sooner they are known the sooner the innocent will be exonerated.

You obviously either haven't been following the news.
 
Dunno if the Don has crossed the line of impeachment yet. But:

1. The Comey firing alone puts him very close to that line.
2. He's done more than enough to deserve a thorough investigation of his actions.
3. That will only happen when we get a Congress that is willing to stand up for what's right instead of what's politically expedient.

1. Disagree. He did have the right to fire the man. Absent all other factors.

2. Agree.

3. Made me laugh.
 
Nixon said the same thing.

I'm not well versed in legal law but what I do know is that Archibald Cox was a special prosecutor and Mueller is a Special Counsel. The laws Cox were operating under are different than the laws Mueller is operating under which are different than what Kenneth Starr operated under. Furthermore, after the Whitewater nonsense, these types of proceeding have been reigned in specifically to prevent Starr's clownish tomfoolery. I doubt Mueller can just do whatever he wants.
 
I think you're correct. Repeal and replace is stalled. It may or may not come back to life in the senate. His tax cuts is probably dead for the time being. Whether Trump is guilty of something or not, you have to admire how the Democrats have played this political game. They pretty much stymied everything Trump wanted to do and made him look idiotic with his stupid responses that plays right into the Democratic scheme. The Democrats has also been able to turn independents, the non-affiliated against him and drive Trump's job approval down below 40%.

Trump also has a problem within his own party as quite a few Republicans look at him as an interloper, an opportunist and not a real Republican. Not as one of them. They're not about to vote for impeachment, they know come next year they will need Trump supporters to retain their seats. But they aren't going to throw themselves under the bus to defend him either. This is also of Trump's own doings. He choose to make feuds with lifelong loyal Republicans and war on the GOP establishment. He has few loyal friends, that is outside of his core supporters who have the view Trump can do no wrong.
He's like the JV player playing against the pros after he pissed off his teammates.
 
I cannot see the Reps impeaching just because Trump is a bad leader. Even if it should happen, and I believe it should, I just don't see that happening. I can see them impeaching over a crime, however, as long as the crime is bad enough and undeniable.

No, they will impeach him when he becomes politically toxic to their brand. When the continued support of him threatens retention of the house and/or senate. Once his approval falls to about 30%, he is a goner. His entanglements (and emoluments) will be the thing that drives those numbers down, but in the end it would be impeaching him for being a bad leader. It would be the ultimate "no confidence" vote.
 
Is being an arrogant, not too bright, mentally delusional, authoritarian leaning, serial lying, incompetent asshole who is in danger of ruining the nation and hurting the American people after holding the office illegitimately a high crime or a misdemeanor?

Wow!!!! If that is the case why didn't Clinton and Obama get impeached for the same discrepancies...wait Clinton did get impeached for lying under oath.
 
How can the poll question be answered? The only rational answer is not at this time because there is zero evidence he has committed any offense that is even remotely impeachable.

The snowflakes, numbnuts, and other Trump haters won't care though. They don't like him and they want him to be destroyed.

They would have squalled their lungs out if a special prosecutor had been appointed to investigate Obama or Hillary. But they approve of a special prosecutor appointed that they see as their best way to punish Trump. Even if the prosecutor finds nothing on the Trump administration which I suspect will be the case, the very fact that one is appointed is sufficient evidence that there is guilt in the minds of those who hate him.

Actually I would have been fine with a special prosecutor investigating Clinton or Obama. If truly independent, they would have been much less partisan than the countless GOP inquisitions. Even the GOP inquisitions yielded nothing.

Finally I don't want anyone destroyed, but if guilty of crimes against the country, the convicted should get what's coming to them.
 
My party? I am unaffiliated. However I am delighted that a non-establishment politician won. And so far, I think he is doing a great job. One example is an originalist justice confirmed to the US Supreme Court.

Thank you for saying "unaffiliated" rather than "independent", which is a label many people here choose to wear, but do not wear very well.

OK, you are not a member of a party... my guess is that you vote Republican 98% of the time and haven't voted for a Democrat in twenty years.... just a guess. So wash your hands of the party, but your probably knee deep in it.

I do stand corrected, nonetheless.
 
Trump was elected as a radical outsider, somebody who was neither partisan nor ideologue, and who had a track record of solving big problems and getting things done. Somebody who didn't just throw up his hands and walk away when Plan A failed but who regrouped and came back with a Plan B.

He was our best shot at breaking the steel grip of the permanent political class in Washington--both Democrats and GOP--who don't WANT to interfere with the status quo because it is how they increase their power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth while throwing the people just enough meager bones to keep themselves in power.

It was our best shot at getting political appointees who would work as public servants and/or actually do their jobs.

It was our best shot at saving the Supreme Court from those who would use it to accomplish radical activism.

It was our best shot at cleaning up the massive bureaucracy in Washington that consumes ever more of our resources while imposing more and more of itself on our daily lives.

It was our best shot at getting the nation back on track with a strong economy, liberty with our language, culture, and borders defended and strengthened.

We didn't count on the depths of pettiness and hatred from the left, however, or how strongly even the GOP in Washington would resist having their gravy train messed with in any way. So Trump has not been allowed a single day of any kind of honeymoon period and is not cut any slack in anything. He is smarter, tougher, and stronger than the average bear when it comes to problem solving, but I am more and more afraid that he will not be allowed to show us what can be done ever.

And it will be back to the status quo and the continued slow decline of America. And those making it so will have theirs and be long gone before the house of cards they have built collapses under its own weight and whoever is unlucky enough to be in power at that time will get all the blame.
Yet that's all he's done, so far, is run away at the slightest opposition.

And how do we know he always fights for Plan B? He's never had this level of scrutiny in his business dealings. He is a master self-promoter, I'll grant that. How do we know his non-political image isn't carefully crafted so that all we ever saw were the successes? The only reason we know about his BKs are because they're high-profile and public record.

It's very likely that he cut-and-ran from a lot of deals before when they got difficult, but we never saw them because he didn't show them to us, and no one then cared enough to pay attention. Difference between then and now, is that now there are outsiders, people he can't control, paying attention and reporting what he does without his personal filter. Sure, he attempts to head it off, and his "fake news" mantra does reel in the Suckers, but everyone else is watching this and saying, "Are you serious?"
 
No, they will impeach him when he becomes politically toxic to their brand. When the continued support of him threatens retention of the house and/or senate. Once his approval falls to about 30%, he is a goner. His entanglements (and emoluments) will be the thing that drives those numbers down, but in the end it would be impeaching him for being a bad leader. It would be the ultimate "no confidence" vote.

I feel like we're saying the same thing, just portraying it differently.
 
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