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Should Pro Sanctuary City Politicians be Jailed?

Should Pro Sanctuary City Politicians be Jailed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 30.0%

  • No

    Votes: 28 70.0%
  • Total voters
    40
phattonez

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This is US law concerning the bringing in and harboring of illegal aliens:

INA 274(a)(1)(A)(iii).
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Immigration and Nationality Act said:
Any person who-...knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;... Any person who, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has not received prior official authorization to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, brings to or attempts to bring to the United States in any manner whatsoever, such alien, regardless of any official action which may later be taken with respect to such alien shall, for each alien in respect to whom a violation of this paragraph occursbe fined in accordance with title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned not more than one year, or both
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https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-8381.html

Therefore, is it time for the US Department of Justice to pursue and bring charges against politicians who support and authorize sanctuary city policies?

P.S. Sorry about the odd reading and formatting of the law. Legal language isn't pretty.
 
I can only answer the question as phrased, and it asks if pro-sanctuary city politicians should be jailed. No. Just being pro-sanctuary city doesn't mean you are actually breaking the law. Should politicians that actively violate the law and protect illegals be jailed? Yes. Just being for the idea though? That's a mind crime.
 
Cephus said:
I can only answer the question as phrased, and it asks if pro-sanctuary city politicians should be jailed. No. Just being pro-sanctuary city doesn't mean you are actually breaking the law. Should politicians that actively violate the law and protect illegals be jailed? Yes. Just being for the idea though? That's a mind crime.
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See the latter half of my post:

phattonez said:
Therefore, is it time for the US Department of Justice to pursue and bring charges against politicians who support and authorize sanctuary city policies?
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New Poll: Should phattonez be jailed arbitrarily because we don't like his silly and off the wall ideas?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
New Poll: Should phattonez be jailed arbitrarily because we don't like his silly and off the wall ideas?
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Is following the law silly and off the wall?
 
phattonez said:
This is US law concerning the bringing in and harboring of illegal aliens:

INA 274(a)(1)(A)(iii).
&(2)(A)


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Therefore, is it time for the US Department of Justice to pursue and bring charges against politicians who support and authorize sanctuary city policies?

P.S. Sorry about the odd reading and formatting of the law. Legal language isn't pretty.
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If they actively violate this law yes. If they just verbally support it no. In that case shunned sure, jailed no.
 
SocialD said:
If they actively violate this law yes. If they just verbally support it no. In that case shunned sure, jailed no.
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How can one be found in violation of this law?
 
jdog21 said:
How can one be found in violation of this law?
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Same way that you go after gang leaders who don't actually commit the crimes but only order them: RICO act.
 
Good grief.

The mayors, police chiefs, and other officials in so-called "Sanctuary Cities" -- which is not defined, by the way -- are all obeying the law.

No one is "hiding" undocumented immigrants. Rather, they are refusing to do ICE's job for them.

If local officials and law enforcement choose to do more than the law requires, that's their choice. The refusal to do more than the law requires is not, in fact, illegal.
 
Cephus said:
I can only answer the question as phrased, and it asks if pro-sanctuary city politicians should be jailed. No. Just being pro-sanctuary city doesn't mean you are actually breaking the law. Should politicians that actively violate the law and protect illegals be jailed? Yes. Just being for the idea though? That's a mind crime.
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That's got it right. Only one thing though. In a city the activities of supporting that minority are multiple and a policeman would normally be involved in shielding the illegal immigrants as would everyone on the council or any office that dealt with them.
 
Visbek said:
Deliberately misinterpreting the law is off the wall.
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Stating something as a fact doesn't make it so. What have I misinterpreted?
 
Visbek said:
Good grief.

The mayors, police chiefs, and other officials in so-called "Sanctuary Cities" -- which is not defined, by the way -- are all obeying the law.

No one is "hiding" undocumented immigrants. Rather, they are refusing to do ICE's job for them.

If local officials and law enforcement choose to do more than the law requires, that's their choice. The refusal to do more than the law requires is not, in fact, illegal.
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So then you agree that De Blasio should be prosecuted?
 
Visbek said:
Good grief.

The mayors, police chiefs, and other officials in so-called "Sanctuary Cities" -- which is not defined, by the way -- are all obeying the law.

No one is "hiding" undocumented immigrants. Rather, they are refusing to do ICE's job for them.

If local officials and law enforcement choose to do more than the law requires, that's their choice. The refusal to do more than the law requires is not, in fact, illegal.
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They are assisting the stay and hiding by not allowing the police to do their job.
 
phattonez said:
Stating something as a fact doesn't make it so. What have I misinterpreted?
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You misinterpreted the law, the Constitution, the concept of federalism, what "Sanctuary Cities" tend to do, etc etc
 
If the GOP was as diligent and conscientious about healthcare as they are about walls and sanctuary cities, Trump would actually be right for once.

We'd have the best damn healthcare system in the world.
 
Visbek said:
You misinterpreted the law, the Constitution, the concept of federalism, what "Sanctuary Cities" tend to do, etc etc
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Again, you keep stating these things without defending them. Notice that these laws apply to individuals. Why would that change for a local government?
 
joG said:
They are assisting the stay and hiding by not allowing the police to do their job.
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Wrong

Federal law does not require local police to identify undocumented immigrants, period. That's a job for federal agents.

The passage phattonez is incorrectly citing basically means that individuals can't hide undocumented immigrants from law enforcement, or can't lie to ICE agents. The police are doing their job, by enforcing local laws. They are not hiding undocumented immigrants in secret compartments in local jails. They do not lie to ICE agents about residency or citizenship, rather they are not required to ask about it.

Again, local officials can choose to do more -- at their discretion. But they are not required by federal law to do so.
 
phattonez said:
Again, you keep stating these things without defending them. Notice that these laws apply to individuals. Why would that change for a local government?
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:roll:

Federal law does not require local police to identify undocumented immigrants, period. That's a job for federal agents.

The passage you are incorrectly citing basically means that individuals can't hide undocumented immigrants from law enforcement, or can't lie to ICE agents. Local police are not hiding undocumented immigrants in secret compartments in local jails. They do not lie to ICE agents about residency or citizenship. They aren't required by any law to ask about residency or citizenship. They aren't required by that law to hand over suspects or detainees to federal agents.

Again, local officials can choose to do more -- at their discretion. But they are not required by federal law to do so.
 
jdog21 said:
How can one be found in violation of this law?
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The law was posted above. So if you were a politician and said I am not turning this person over you would be in violation of the law.
The only point from there forward is does a judge have the will convict said politician.
 
Visbek said:
Wrong

Federal law does not require local police to identify undocumented immigrants, period. That's a job for federal agents.

The passage phattonez is incorrectly citing basically means that individuals can't hide undocumented immigrants from law enforcement, or can't lie to ICE agents. The police are doing their job, by enforcing local laws. They are not hiding undocumented immigrants in secret compartments in local jails. They do not lie to ICE agents about residency or citizenship, rather they are not required to ask about it.

Again, local officials can choose to do more -- at their discretion. But they are not required by federal law to do so.
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Maybe you should add a link, if you want to show he is lying. Otherwise, someone might think poorly of you and it would then be difficult to disagree.

;)
 
joG said:
Maybe you should add a link, if you want to show he is lying. Otherwise, someone might think poorly of you and it would then be difficult to disagree.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-sanctuary-cities/?utm_term=.c612be215931

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-on-sanctuary-cities/?utm_term=.c86f1a5635b4

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...stitutional-order-on-sanctuary-cities/514883/

https://www.aclu.org/blog/speak-fre...eats-defund-sanctuary-cities-unconstitutional

From William Orrick III's temporary stay on the attempt to just cut federal funding for so-called Sanctuary Cities:

[The EO] violates the separation of powers doctrine enshrined in the Constitution because it
improperly seeks to wield congressional spending powers; second, it is so overbroad and coercive
that even if the President had spending powers, the Order would clearly exceed them and violate
the Tenth Amendment’s prohibition against commandeering local jurisdictions; third, it is so
vague and standardless that it violates the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause and is void for
vagueness; and, finally, because it seeks to deprive local jurisdictions of congressionally allocated
funds without any notice or opportunity to be heard, it violates the procedural due process
requirements of the Fifth Amendment

I'm pretty sure that arresting a bunch of mayors and local police officers would result in similar objections, including violating the 10th Amendment in an attempt to coerce the commandeering of local resources.
 
Visbek said:
Wrong

Federal law does not require local police to identify undocumented immigrants, period. That's a job for federal agents.

The passage phattonez is incorrectly citing basically means that individuals can't hide undocumented immigrants from law enforcement, or can't lie to ICE agents. The police are doing their job, by enforcing local laws. They are not hiding undocumented immigrants in secret compartments in local jails. They do not lie to ICE agents about residency or citizenship, rather they are not required to ask about it.

Again, local officials can choose to do more -- at their discretion. But they are not required by federal law to do so.
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Actually that's not true. When they do find out they let them go.
 
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