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Should this teacher be fired?

Should this teacher be fired?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 44.3%
  • No

    Votes: 26 42.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 8 13.1%

  • Total voters
    61
Um, yeah. Fired. Buh bye.
 
The teacher that needs to be fired is the grade school teacher in the commercial about booking your vacation. The kids are turning the classroom upside down including one kid in a fish tank and she stands there and whines about her vacation. I truly HATE that commercial.

I hate it too.
 
What if that teaching believed that Trump must die -- that someone needs to kill him for the US to get back on track. That okay?

Nice goalpost move. Saying the president should be kille is illegal. Saying anyone should be killed is illegal.

You went straight to stupidville on that one. :lamo
 
Teachers should keep their personal beliefs to themselves and teach the prescribed curriculum. Teaching that gays deserve to die is over the top, outrageous and bigoted personal opinion and should not be tolerated.
 
He's telling the students that the Bible tells us this.

He's telling the students that the Bible tells us this.

If you fail to make this distinction, you will have a chilling effect on education, my friends.

No, if this is a public school and this is allowed, THAT has a chilling effect. You do not teach religious doctrine in a public school. Period.
 
Nice goalpost move. Saying the president should be kille is illegal. Saying anyone should be killed is illegal.

You went straight to stupidville on that one. :lamo


From the OP:

committing homosexual acts “deserve to die,”


See where I went or do you need me to pull out my crayolas and draw you a picture?
 
So to you tolerance is tolerating a teacher telling his or her students that they deserve to die if they're "sinners"? If a muslim teacher started telling his kids that if they don't accept allah they deserve to die, you'd be ok with that, right?



So when she said all of her students that don't believe the same thing as her deserve to die, that wasn't a death threat, but when people demanded she be fired, that was a death threat? Some people will skewer reality immensely to try to protect their religion.

did he TELL his students, or write a letter to the school newspaper espousing his beliefs?

there is a difference isnt there?

is the 1st amendment still alive? are we allowed to have our own view points?

now...if he is sharing those views IN CLASS, then he should be fired.....

but just sharing them in an open forum like a newspaper....absolutely not

i dont agree with his view....but i will fight for his right to have it
 
No, if this is a public school and this is allowed, THAT has a chilling effect. You do not teach religious doctrine in a public school. Period.
This has to do with a letter to the editor in the student newspaper, not with the classroom.
 
If this was said in the classroom I would be in favor of disciplinary action. But this was an opinion letter to the paper. But it was also the school paper. I don't know. This falls into a big gray area for me. So when in doubt I'll side with freedom of expression. I won't fault the school for not firing the teacher.
 
Yes, you have free speech, but when you are an employee that restricts your "free speech". You cannot just say what you want at a work place and not suffer any consequences. Telling students that homosexuals deserve to die, IMO, he should be reprimanded in some way.



Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, He abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.


Is that actually in the bible? I don't remember anything like that, but I'm not a scholar on it either.


Cherry picking only certain sins as being wrong for anyone to caution against is a bit dishonest. I did not see death to gays in your quote.

I don't know why quoting someone else is wrong in an opinion piece but more attention should be given to his added closing words and their intent:

I write you these things in order to lift up those who have stumbled, or may stumble, and put you back on the right path.

I pray you each have a great summer, a wonderful life, and a perfect eternity.

That closing certainly does not exempt gays or wish them any ill will. He states an opinion, and his basis for having it, which is not in any way "hate speech".
 
I don't think he should be fired, but I do think he should be scrutinized more closely by the school district after this. This concerns me that he's doing things which are unacceptable due to his religious beliefs.

Quoting the Bible in a letter to a newspaper is now doing an "unacceptable" thing?
 
If the bible says that gay people deserve to die then the bible is guilty of hate speech. Quoting hate speech is hate speech.

So what? The Supreme Court has several times held that expression you apparently would consider "hate speech" may be protected by the First Amendment. One example is Snyder v. Phelps, the 2011 decision involving the Westboro Baptist Church. Another is R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, a 1992 decision which involved cross-burning.
 
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People have a right to an opinion as much as that opinion may have consequences. For this guy, teaching children that are gay obviously poses a problem here. The school has a right to hand out consequences to this very real dilemma.
 
you know we have had several threads of teachers of conveying something thru words and even actions

i would like each one of you to remember the next time we get another teacher story to remind you that teachers are there to teach the subjects laid out by the school system and not promote their own social or political ideology.
 
Yes, you have free speech, but when you are an employee that restricts your "free speech". You cannot just say what you want at a work place and not suffer any consequences. Telling students that homosexuals deserve to die, IMO, he should be reprimanded in some way.



Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, He abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them too.


Is that actually in the bible? I don't remember anything like that, but I'm not a scholar on it either.

This teacher seems to have quoted from an unusual version of the Bible. The text of my Revised Standard Version differs from it quite a bit. The fact it groups unnatural sexual conduct with such things as slander, deceit, and being haughty or foolish makes clear to me that the "death" which God decrees people deserve for these types of conduct is a spiritual and not a physical one.

In any case, the teacher was quoting the Bible as a caution and a lesson, which preachers do in churches all the time. Sometimes people are warned that if they do certain things, they will likely go to hell. I'm sure the people listening to those sermons often include teenage students. But any student at that school who wanted to engage in homosexual acts was free to ignore the Bible verse quoted in the letter.
 
From the OP:




See where I went or do you need me to pull out my crayolas and draw you a picture?

Context is everything:

They know God’s justice required that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway

Need me to write out the definition of "context" in crayon for you, so it will be in an intellectual presentation you'll comprehend? What about "lie"?

Stop running so hard for stupidville.
 
Context is everything:



Need me to write out the definition of "context" in crayon for you, so it will be in an intellectual presentation you'll comprehend? What about "lie"?

Stop running so hard for stupidville.


I understand context so much better than you do. So much batter.
 
People have a right to an opinion as much as that opinion may have consequences. For this guy, teaching children that are gay obviously poses a problem here. The school has a right to hand out consequences to this very real dilemma.

he has taught for how long?

and has any of his students ever said his views were expressed in his classrooms?

no....

his views were sent to a newspaper....a school newspaper as a counter to the articles that they were running....an op ed if you will

i believe the 1st amendment still exists and ones thoughts and views, no matter how putrid are allowed

if expressed in the classroom....he would have overstepped his bounds....he didnt....he sent them in an article to a newspaper

i dont agree with his position, but i believe he has a right to express it

and this country was founded on the principle of free speech for all....not just those you agree with

or are you afraid of counter views, and counter public opinion
 
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