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Will Planned Parenthood get defunded?

Will PP get defunded?

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Bucky

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Planned Parenthood receives roughly $528 a million a year from the government. That is where the majority of their revenue comes from. I believe the Republicans needs to defund PP in the next TrumpCare attempt, otherwise, Paul Ryan and the Republicans will lose face.

This is a big issue to the majority of the voters and polls show the majority of Americans want PP defunded from the government. The only way voters imo will accept funds continue going to that organization is if they agree to stop performing abortions, which we all know will not happen.

Will the Republicans succeed or fold?
 
Bucky said:
Planned Parenthood receives roughly $528 a million a year from the government. That is where the majority of their revenue comes from. I believe the Republicans needs to defund PP in the next TrumpCare attempt, otherwise, Paul Ryan and the Republicans will lose face.

This is a big issue to the majority of the voters and polls show the majority of Americans want PP defunded from the government. The only way voters imo will accept funds continue going to that organization is if they agree to stop performing abortions, which we all know will not happen.

Will the Republicans succeed or fold?
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Ya fine but as a thing to fight about in the current target rich environment this fight lacks quality. I dont even know why the Left cares, this is not that much money and its all victim culture themed, in the democratic urban centers donors will step up. If the people in so-called Backwards Land dont want to do likewise then serves them right what they get. Might even change some minds.
 
Bucky said:
Planned Parenthood receives roughly $528 a million a year from the government. That is where the majority of their revenue comes from. I believe the Republicans needs to defund PP in the next TrumpCare attempt, otherwise, Paul Ryan and the Republicans will lose face.

This is a big issue to the majority of the voters and polls show the majority of Americans want PP defunded from the government. The only way voters imo will accept funds continue going to that organization is if they agree to stop performing abortions, which we all know will not happen.

Will the Republicans succeed or fold?
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Maybe voters in your neck of the woods want PP defunded. But, you are gravely mistaken about Planned Parenthood's popularity among the nation. A majority of the country approves of Planned Parenthood. And abortions are a small part of what they bring to the community. Planned Parenthood also performs STD testing, which is helpful sex education for the community, as well as providing contraceptives, that prevent the spread of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. After Mike Pence shut down Planned Parenthoods in the state of Indiana he enabled an HIV outbreak that required national attention.

It's my understanding that the budget agreement already reached for funding through Sept., includes funding for Planned Parenthood, which is a wise move for public health and reelection campaigns.

Monster defeat for Trump and GOP: Budget deal funds Planned Parenthood but has nothing for wall

If passed, the legislation will ensure that Planned Parenthood continues to receive federal funding through September.
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In U.S., 59% View Planned Parenthood Favorably | Gallup

PP 59% approval rating from Gallup poll in 2015.

Fox News Poll 3/15 | Fox News

+25 approval rating from this March poll 2017.

People love PP and to defund it would be a political blunder. PP allows people to plan for their families and offers much needed STD testing. If you've never used Planned Parenthood, I recommend you go there, if you ever have any private questions you need answers to.
 
Winston said:
Maybe voters in your neck of the woods want PP defunded. But, you are gravely mistaken about Planned Parenthood's popularity among the nation. A majority of the country approves of Planned Parenthood. And abortions are a small part of what they bring to the community. Planned Parenthood also performs STD testing, which is helpful sex education for the community, as well as providing contraceptives, that prevent the spread of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. After Mike Pence shut down Planned Parenthoods in the state of Indiana he enabled an HIV outbreak that required national attention.

It's my understanding that the budget agreement already reached for funding through Sept., includes funding for Planned Parenthood, which is a wise move for public health and reelection campaigns.

Monster defeat for Trump and GOP: Budget deal funds Planned Parenthood but has nothing for wall



In U.S., 59% View Planned Parenthood Favorably | Gallup

PP 59% approval rating from Gallup poll in 2015.

Fox News Poll 3/15 | Fox News

+25 approval rating from this March poll 2017.

People love PP and to defund it would be a political blunder. PP allows people to plan for their families and offers much needed STD testing. If you've never used Planned Parenthood, I recommend you go there, if you ever have any private questions you need answers to.
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Which is why Trump has been for it. However I remember pretty clearly many months ago saying here that Trump does not care enough about this to fight for it with his new conservative friends.

I probably said that this is a mistake.
 
Bucky said:
Planned Parenthood receives roughly $528 a million a year from the government. That is where the majority of their revenue comes from. I believe the Republicans needs to defund PP in the next TrumpCare attempt, otherwise, Paul Ryan and the Republicans will lose face.

This is a big issue to the majority of the voters and polls show the majority of Americans want PP defunded from the government. ?
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Could you possibly be more wrong? Why must you lie about this?

[h=1]Three-Quarters of People Support Funding Planned Parenthood, Poll Finds[/h][h=2]A new poll shows defunding Planned Parenthood is very unpopular[/h]
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/three-quarters-suport-funding-planned-parenthood

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ng-planned-parenthood/?utm_term=.fdedeae6b069

Most Americans want government to keep funding Planned Parenthood, Obamacare: poll - Salon.com

Most Americans Oppose Defunding Planned Parenthood | Time.com
 
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People should fund the private organizations they support on their own. I shouldn't be forced to support private organizations I don't like by government force because other peoples support the organization and what they do.
 
Top Cat said:
Could you possibly be more wrong? Why must you lie about this?

[h=1]Three-Quarters of People Support Funding Planned Parenthood, Poll Finds[/h][h=2]A new poll shows defunding Planned Parenthood is very unpopular[/h]
http://www.teenvogue.com/story/three-quarters-suport-funding-planned-parenthood

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ng-planned-parenthood/?utm_term=.fdedeae6b069

Most Americans want government to keep funding Planned Parenthood, Obamacare: poll - Salon.com

Most Americans Oppose Defunding Planned Parenthood | Time.com
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Salon and Time, eh? Did you search around for sources to support your belief or did you just find biased garbage sources by chance?
 
Top Cat said:
Could you possibly be more wrong? Why must you lie about this?

[h=1]Three-Quarters of People Support Funding Planned Parenthood, Poll Finds[/h][h=2]A new poll shows defunding Planned Parenthood is very unpopular[/h]
Three-Quarters of People Support Funding Planned Parenthood, Poll Finds | Teen Vogue

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ng-planned-parenthood/?utm_term=.fdedeae6b069

Most Americans want government to keep funding Planned Parenthood, Obamacare: poll - Salon.com

Most Americans Oppose Defunding Planned Parenthood | Time.com
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I actually think PP does a lot of great things in regards to contraception, sexually transmitted infection testing and cancer screenings. However PP supports and conducts abortions. If they agree to stop performing abortions, they should continue to receive funds. If not, they do not deserve to be funded by the government.

In the bigger picture, we have a budget to balance. Medicare and Medicaid need to be drastically de-funded. This will hurt many Americans however in the long-run, America will be a better nation.

PP's fate rest in the hands of PP. They have a choice: Help low income women or kill babies. The choice seems simple however they see to be pro abortion and anti-women.
 
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Here we go again. A bunch of us men arguing over whether women's health is an important enough issue for federal support.
 
Phys251 said:
Here we go again. A bunch of us men arguing over whether women's health is an important enough issue for federal support.
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Last time I checked men pay taxes that go towards Planned Parenthood. Are you suggesting men don't have a say on where their tax money goes?
 
Bucky said:
Planned Parenthood receives roughly $528 a million a year from the government. That is where the majority of their revenue comes from. I believe the Republicans needs to defund PP in the next TrumpCare attempt, otherwise, Paul Ryan and the Republicans will lose face.

This is a big issue to the majority of the voters and polls show the majority of Americans want PP defunded from the government. The only way voters imo will accept funds continue going to that organization is if they agree to stop performing abortions, which we all know will not happen.

Will the Republicans succeed or fold?
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If it were a case of Ryan losing face, there would be little requirement for a defunding. But funding PP against constitutional rights and restrictions on congressional power is unacceptable. If the company is not willing to separate out the religiously objectionable activities, then it is really pig headed of them.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Ya fine but as a thing to fight about in the current target rich environment this fight lacks quality. I dont even know why the Left cares, this is not that much money and its all victim culture themed, in the democratic urban centers donors will step up. If the people in so-called Backwards Land dont want to do likewise then serves them right what they get. Might even change some minds.
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The left cares, because it is a valuable precedent they have been able to make and undermines the solid barrier against judicial circumvention of citizen rights enshrined in the Constitution.
 
Phys251 said:
Here we go again. A bunch of us men arguing over whether women's health is an important enough issue for federal support.
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There are hospitals that lib women can go to that accept ObamaCare insurance.

Lib women do not need their own special clinics anymore than men do
 
joG said:
If it were a case of Ryan losing face, there would be little requirement for a defunding. But funding PP against constitutional rights and restrictions on congressional power is unacceptable. If the company is not willing to separate out the religiously objectionable activities, then it is really pig headed of them.
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Don't know if I'm reading you here right...

Are you saying that PP should stop abortion and if they don't they should lose federal funding....because abortion is "religiously objectionable activities"? Ummm....if that's the case....I even more strongly object to defunding PP. Religious concerns should not be legislated.
 
Mac77 said:
There are hospitals that lib women can go to that accept ObamaCare insurance.

Lib women do not need their own special clinics anymore than men do
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Great thing about PP...they help more than just women. ;)
 
Kal'Stang said:
Don't know if I'm reading you here right...

Are you saying that PP should stop abortion and if they don't they should lose federal funding....because abortion is "religiously objectionable activities"? Ummm....if that's the case....I even more strongly object to defunding PP. Religious concerns should not be legislated.
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If I object to gunmen killing storeclerks during a robbery because God said "Thou shalt not kill" does that mean you will be for it?
 
Mac77 said:
If I object to gunmen killing storeclerks during a robbery because God said "Thou shalt not kill" does that mean you will be for it?
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If I take an extreme hyperbolic example and apply it to what you're talking about in any subject that you're against or for and I'm on the opposite side would you call me out on it? I'd hope so.

But in a round about way you answered my question. Again, religious concerns should not be legislated.

BTW: your analogy sucks since committing cold blooded murder of members of society is objectionable no matter your race, religion, creed, political affiliation, or any other sane group out there and has always been illegal no matter what society one lives in. Abortion on the other hand has a varied history of being both accepted and being banned.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If I take an extreme hyperbolic example and apply it to what you're talking about in any subject that you're against or for and I'm on the opposite side would you call me out on it? I'd hope so.

But in a round about way you answered my question. Again, religious concerns should not be legislated.

BTW: your analogy sucks

since committing cold blooded murder of members of society is objectionable no matter your race, religion, creed, political affiliation,

or any other sane group out there and has always been illegal no matter what society one lives in. Abortion on the other hand has a varied history of being both accepted and being banned.
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Every abortion ends a human life
 
Mac77 said:
Every abortion ends a human life
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Every abortion ends a potential human life. Not an actual human life. You might not see the difference. But others do. And neither you nor I have a Right to tell women what to think of something growing inside their own bodies. And we definitely have no Right to force our religious views on those women either.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Every abortion ends a potential human life. Not an actual human life. You might not see the difference. But others do. And neither you nor I have a Right to tell women what to think of something growing inside their own bodies. And we definitely have no Right to force our religious views on those women either.
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No, the unborn child is human.

And it has the DNA to prove it
 
Mac77 said:
No, the unborn child is human.

And it has the DNA to prove it
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Now the circle comes full. We talk about semantical nonsense. Sorry, not going to get into that. Like it or not, religious concerns should not be legislated. That was the only point that I wanted to make in this thread. I based it off of your post where you wanted to defund PP simply because of religious concerns. I made my point. You moved past it because you knew it was a losing argument.

I'm done now. Thanks for the entertainment. Cya. :2wave:
 
Kal'Stang said:
Now the circle comes full. We talk about semantical nonsense. Sorry, not going to get into that. Like it or not, religious concerns should not be legislated. That was the only point that I wanted to make in this thread. I based it off of your post where you wanted to defund PP simply because of religious concerns. I made my point. You moved past it because you knew it was a losing argument.

I'm done now. Thanks for the entertainment. Cya. :2wave:
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Ok, nice talking to you

Just leave your white flag at the door for the next independent you use
 
Henrin said:
People should fund the private organizations they support on their own. I shouldn't be forced to support private organizations I don't like by government force because other peoples support the organization and what they do.
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They do...and you aren't.

Planned Parenthood gets a large percentage of it's funding from payroll deductions...



Ha...the extraordinary ignorance and hypocrisy of Mike Pence to defund PP...

Then Representative, now Vice President Mike Pence, a Republican from Indiana, has led the charge to prevent Planned Parenthood from receiving Title X funds. House Republicans called for cuts of over $300 million from Title X for FY2011 in order to reduce the number of abortions.[10]
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However...

By preventing unintended pregnancies, Title X has decreased the number of abortions in the United States.[7] Since its inception, Title X has not provided funds for programs that use abortion as a family planning method.[3][8][9]...

In 2006, publicly funded family planning services (Medicaid, Title X, and state funds) helped women avoid 1.94 million unintended pregnancies, thus preventing about 860,000 unintended births and 810,000 abortions.[7] Without publicly funded family planning services, the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions in the United States would be nearly two-thirds higher among women overall and among teens; the number of unintended pregnancies among poor women would nearly double.[7] The services provided at publicly funded clinics saved the federal and state governments an estimated $5.1 billion in 2008 in short term medical costs.[7] Nationally, every $1.00 invested in helping women avoid unintended pregnancy saved $3.74 in Medicaid expenditures that otherwise would have been needed.[3][7]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X​


So you see, Henrin...funding PP actually saves you, the taxpayer and the government billions...and helps to prevent millions of abortions.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Don't know if I'm reading you here right...

Are you saying that PP should stop abortion and if they don't they should lose federal funding....because abortion is "religiously objectionable activities"? Ummm....if that's the case....I even more strongly object to defunding PP. Religious concerns should not be legislated.
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No, that is not at all my position. Abortion and some other services are such that the Constitution has been interpreted to be legal, though, this might be revisited. That is not the issue. it is the use of tax money to pay for this set of activities as we do not in third countries, where organisations offering these services mayn't receive assistance from the US government.

But that does not mean PP cannot reform itself to make tax funding compatible with the Constitution. It can, but it hasn't.
 
Moot said:
They do...and you aren't.

Planned Parenthood gets a large percentage of it's funding from payroll deductions...



Ha...the extraordinary ignorance and hypocrisy of Mike Pence to defund PP...



However...



So you see, Henrin...funding PP actually saves you, the taxpayer and the government billions...and helps to prevent millions of abortions.
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It doesn't matter to me if it ends up saving me on other programs like welfare. I simply do not want to provide assistance towards birth control or any other service PP provides, period. If people want ot have sex it is their responsibility to pay for their own birth control and STD testing, etc, not mine.
 
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