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Is there a difference between legal and illegal immigration to you?

Is there a difference between legal and illegal immigration to you?

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Redress said:
Do both come from different countries?

Oops, a context in which they are the same, and I did not even have to work hard to find it. Do try and fail less.
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They're different terms. This is the lamest argument I've ever seen you make.
 
apdst said:
They're different terms. This is the lamest argument I've ever seen you make.
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They are different terms. Depending on context, whether they are actually different or not changes. This is not complex stuff. Context matters. It always matters.
 
Redress said:
im·mi·grant
ˈiməɡrənt/
noun
noun: immigrant; plural noun: immigrants

a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country
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Just the same.....immigrants are legal. Those who sneak across the border are not immigrants. They are law breakers.
 
Redress said:
They are different terms. Depending on context, whether they are actually different or not changes. This is not complex stuff. Context matters. It always matters.
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They're different terms, with different meanings...period. :lamo
 
Master PO said:
well i think thats just little to far, how about finding them heavy and it they continue they will not be issued a tax i.d. from the federal government, so they cannot be in business
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First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.
This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.

- See more at: Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library
 
ObamacareFail said:
First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.
This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.

- See more at: Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants | LegalMatch Law Library
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agree
 
Winston said:
They are in violation of no criminal law.
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They are in violation of our immigration laws period. They have no respect for our laws or the citizens of this country who made these laws. People with no respect for our laws or the citizens of this country who made the laws should be removed from this country as quickly as possible and should be banned from entering this country in the future. Especially considering there are millions of law abiding people waiting patiently to immigrate to this country legally in compliance with our laws. Allowing lawless losers into this country ahead of law abiding people is sick and pathetic to say the least.
 
Redress said:
Not according to the definition.
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Immigration Terms and Definitions Involving Aliens
A general summary of U.S. immigration terminology follows. Any references below to USCIS refer to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.


Immigrant
An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the United States. Also known as a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR). All immigrants are eventually issued a "green card" (USCIS Form I-551), which is the evidence of the alien’s LPR status. LPR’s who are awaiting the issuance of their green cards may bear an I-551 stamp in their foreign passports.
Immigrant visas are available for aliens (and their spouses and children) who seek to immigrate based on their job skills. If an alien has the right combination of skills, education, and/or work experience and are otherwise eligible, the alien may be able to live permanently in the United States. Per USCIS, there are five employment-based immigrant visa preferences (categories): EB-1, EB-2, EB-3, EB-4 and EB-5.* Refer to the USCIS Permanent Worker web site for more details.
 
Redress said:
Not according to the definition.
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Yes, according to the definition... If they are not a legal immigrant, they broke the immigration laws. If they do it more than once, it becomes a felony.

You may want to read the definition.

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X Factor said:
Or do you see them as essentially the same thing? Asking for your personal opinion here, not what the law is, etc. Attaching poll.
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Of course they're two distinct and separate things. Only reason to consider them the same thing is to promote people being in the country illegally.
 
natsb said:
Yes, according to the definition... If they are not a legal immigrant, they broke the immigration laws. If they do it more than once, it becomes a felony.

You may want to read the definition.

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Sigh, I find it amusing how people warp reality to push a point, instead of accepting reality for what it is. Let me slow this way down for you: all illegal immigrants are also immigrants. Not all immigrants are illegal immigrants. Sometimes, context means that the distinction is important, sometimes, it is meaningless. If the discussion is the ethnic makeup of immigrants in this country, then the distinction does not matter. Sometimes, such as discussing legal status of immigrants, it does. This is according to the definitions of the words.
 
Redress said:
Sigh, I find it amusing how people warp reality to push a point, instead of accepting reality for what it is. Let me slow this way down for you: all illegal immigrants are also immigrants. Not all immigrants are illegal immigrants. Sometimes, context means that the distinction is important, sometimes, it is meaningless. If the discussion is the ethnic makeup of immigrants in this country, then the distinction does not matter. Sometimes, such as discussing legal status of immigrants, it does. This is according to the definitions of the words.
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This is the law of the land plain and simple. Until it is changed abide by it.

Immigration Terms and Definitions Involving Aliens
A general summary of U.S. immigration terminology follows. Any references below to USCIS refer to the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services.


Immigrant
An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the United States. Also known as a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR). All immigrants are eventually issued a "green card" (USCIS Form I-551), which is the evidence of the alien’s LPR status. LPR’s who are awaiting the issuance of their green cards may bear an I-551 stamp in their foreign passports.
Immigrant visas are available for aliens (and their spouses and children) who seek to immigrate based on their job skills. If an alien has the right combination of skills, education, and/or work experience and are otherwise eligible, the alien may be able to live permanently in the United States. Per USCIS, there are five employment-based immigrant visa preferences (categories): EB-1, EB-2, EB-3, EB-4 and EB-5.* Refer to the USCIS Permanent Worker web site for more details.
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PIPEWRENCH said:
This is the law of the land plain and simple. Until it is changed abide by it.
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Does the poll question ask about the law? No, so why are you quoting the law to me? And where do you come up with the idea I am not abiding by the law? Have you read a single word I ****ing posted instead of having an emotional reaction to reality?
 
phattonez said:
Hey man, don't be so mean to our "brothers and sisters" who come here against our laws, collect our welfare benefits, and then commit crimes against us.
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You cant achieve higher living standards unless you slam the door shut on all alien populations, who, by and large, consume
a lot more than they contribute. That's includes both legal & illegal participants in our immigration process.
 
X Factor said:
Or do you see them as essentially the same thing? Asking for your personal opinion here, not what the law is, etc. Attaching poll.
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One is a crime, one is not. That simple.
 
Redress said:
Sigh, I find it amusing how people warp reality to push a point, instead of accepting reality for what it is. Let me slow this way down for you: all illegal immigrants are also immigrants. Not all immigrants are illegal immigrants. Sometimes, context means that the distinction is important, sometimes, it is meaningless. If the discussion is the ethnic makeup of immigrants in this country, then the distinction does not matter. Sometimes, such as discussing legal status of immigrants, it does. This is according to the definitions of the words.
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Wow! That's a lot of words expended without actually saying anything. I am impressed.

I don't know if I can slow this down with anything close to your skill set, but I will try. The OP is asking if there is a difference between legal and illegal immigration. The answer is yes, because one broke the law. There are no other "if"'s involved. Ethnicity is irrelevant.
 
X Factor said:
Or do you see them as essentially the same thing? Asking for your personal opinion here, not what the law is, etc. Attaching poll.
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There is definitely a difference between the status of a legal vs illegal immigrant, and how they live in America. I consider both groups to be human beings, and I think they should be treated fairly and with basic dignity by our legal system. There are illegal parents here with legal children, and that needs to be taken into consideration when enforcing the law.

I am not mad at illegal immigrants. I also don't live in a boarder state, so I don't feel I am deeply impacted by it.
 
SheWolf said:
There is definitely a difference between the status of a legal vs illegal immigrant, and how they live in America. I consider both groups to be human beings, and I think they should be treated fairly and with basic dignity by our legal system. There are illegal parents here with legal children, and that needs to be taken into consideration when enforcing the law.

I am not mad at illegal immigrants. I also don't live in a boarder state, so I don't feel I am deeply impacted by it.
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Obviously. Now kick out the illegals and start enforcing the law.
 
MrPeanut said:
They are two separate things, but I am not anti illegal immigration in an absolute sense. If people are fleeing poverty or crime ridden communities to start a new life in the United States I think that it is a good thing to be open to them. It's a little bit like the refugee argument for me. I just don't believe in slamming the door of a burning house when people are inside. I'm not naive about some crime being able to make it across the border with some of these immigrants, but that's why I would support putting more money into border security. We should invest in processing these people appropriately instead of attempting to build our own great wall.
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If the person was a failure in their own country, why would you want them in the US?
 
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