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When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS?

The next time the Dems are in power, should they expand SCOTUS?

  • Yes, to 11 seats.

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Yes, to 15 seats

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • Yes, but only by one seat

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No, GOP obstructionism and cheating should be rewarded

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • Total voters
    5
CamaradaJose17

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The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

You remind me of Ganapathy. And that isn't a good thing.

P.S. Your poll options suck.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

They can't do so without a Constitutional amendment, which just isn't going to happen.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

TheGoverness said:
You remind me of Ganapathy. And that isn't a good thing.

P.S. Your poll options suck.
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Who's Ganapathy?
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

Cephus said:
They can't do so without a Constitutional amendment, which just isn't going to happen.
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It doesn't require a constitutional amendment. They just need to change the Judiciary act of 1869. The constitution only mentions a minimum number of SCOTUS justices, not a maximum.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

Ah. There's all the talking points you left out of the last one.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

Next time try making a poll with options absent partisan hackery.

I'd choose no if you didn't add that unnecessary and silly qualification.

The idea is short-sighted and would only make the SCOTUS truly a cipher of party politics rather than the legal balance it is supposed to be.

Funny, but it was a Democrat who last tried to pack the Supreme Court; Franklin D. Roosevelt.

FDR's Losing Battle to Pack the Supreme Court
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Fresh Air Interviews: Writer Jeff Shesol on FDR's Losing Battle To Pack The Supreme Court : NPR
 
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Hate to break it to you but no constitutional law was broken. The advise and consent does not mean that a hearing HAS to be held. A committee ruled (which satisfies the constitutional advise and consent clause btw) that they would wait until the election was over before deciding on the next SCOTUS nomination. At a time I should remind you when everyone and every poll believed that Hillary would win the presidential nomination. So they were in essence waiting for her nominations.

Also your claim that this will be the last time there will be a GOP President has been claimed before. It was said during the Obama administration and during the BILL Clinton administration. Guess what...each time the claim has been proven to be nothing more than partisan hackery claims. Trust me, Trump will not be the last GOP President. And yes, such was and has been claimed of Obama supposedly being the last. That too is nothing more than a partisan hackery claim.

As for raising the SCOTUS seats to 11, what would be the point? Just so that you can get more judges that align with your thinking on the bench? Sounds to me like you don't actually care about judges that uphold the Constitution and the Law. You just want judicial activism in order to push your agenda. Whatever that may be.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

No, they shouldn't. Although I don't agree with what the Republicans did, it was (marginally) legal. They took a gamble and it paid off.

I'm not going to encourage the Democrats to play the same bull**** games that I don't like the Republicans playing.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

needs different poll options.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

The poll options suck.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
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"GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution"
"stealing a Supreme Court seat"
"rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland"
"outdated electoral college"
"help of Russian hacking"

Yeah, this OP is nothing but partisan hacker and talking points.

:failpail:
:inandout:
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
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Are you crying?
There's no crying in screwball.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

At the rate that the Democrats are losing power, isn't it more likely that these decisions will be made, someday, by whatever party replaces them after they implode?

Maybe you should start a poll on that subject.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

TheGoverness said:
You remind me of Ganapathy. And that isn't a good thing.

P.S. Your poll options suck.
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I remember that Marxist lunatic and OP is nothing like him.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution"
"stealing a Supreme Court seat"
"rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland"
"outdated electoral college"
"help of Russian hacking"

Yeah, this OP is nothing but partisan hacker and talking points.

its speaks volumes
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

This is a cry me a river thread.

Look the left isn't going to take the Senate nor the House in 2018. That's a give me.

And now that Gorsuch is on the bench there will no longer be 4-4 rulings.

Also Kennedy announced his retirement recently. Trump gets to pick another jurist from his list. No leftie is happy about that one as the nuclear option was pulled something they never thought McConnell would do. But righties are delighted.

Two Obama jurist appointees have now thwarted temporarily Trump's move for the travel ban due to national security and now his ability for his administration to halt funding to sanctuary cities because they will not adhere to our laws. Neither of these instances are going to go well for the lefties as both orders were Constitutionally sound.

Trump backed off on funding the wall to keep the government from shutting down. But good old Ted Cruz came up with a solution. Sen. Ted Cruz wants to make Mexicans pay for the wall — at least some of them, that is.

The El Chapo Act was introduced by Cruz today, and it would use seized assets from drug lords such as Mexican Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman to pay for the wall on the southwestern border. We are talking about 19 billion smackeroos in "El Chapo" alone and put that toward a wall that is estimated to cost somewhere around 26 billion.
I think this legislation will fly through the Senate.

Trump gets funding for his wall and yes Mexicans will pay for it. Fabulous!
 
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TheGoverness said:
You remind me of Ganapathy. And that isn't a good thing.

P.S. Your poll options suck.
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Wasn't he the Maoist who claimed he was in the army, despite despising the whole concept?
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
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No to expansion and I don't look at it as stealing a SCOTUS seat. What should have happen since the GOP had a 54-46 advantage last year is give Garland, Obama's SCOTUS nominee an up or down vote. Since the Republicans had the votes to defeat any Obama nomination, it's not stealing. It is very poor judgement, political wise and perhaps morally also not to have the full senate vote on Garland. For that the Republicans were totally wrong.

Yes, the Constitution does give the senate the power of advice and consent for all presidential nominees. Now the Constitution is mum on how that advice and consent is given or when. With the Democrats in control of the senate, there was 391 days during the Nixon administration between Abe Fortas who died to be replaced by Harry Blackmun between May 1969 and June 1970.

Want the longest one, the longest replacement period took place in the 19th century and it was the 841-day period to replace Justice Henry Baldwin, who died on April 21, 1844 and it took until August 10, 1846 to replace him.

But the bottom line is the Republicans didn't steal that seat. Garland could have been easily voted down. Adding to the bottom line, if you guys ran a decent candidate for president, you would have the White House today. You just happened to choose the only Democrat, alive or dead that could have possibly lost to Trump. Choices and decisions have consequences, your choice of Clinton resulted in the election of Trump. It's high past time the Democrats take responsibility for that. Learn from that and come up with a decent candidate that America as a whole can support, not just Democrats.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
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What an insanely stupid question. It also shows your complete and total partisanship.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.

The GOP refused to hold hearings for Garland for an entire year, despite there being a constitutional requirement to ADVISE and CONSENT to the President's Supreme Court picks.

And after Trump won the election via the outdated electoral college with the help of Russian hacking, the GOP senate illegitimately eliminated the "nuclear option" to force a far right justice into the seat that rightfully belonged to Merrick Garland.

The next time the Democrats have power in the Presidency and the Senate (which will likely be in 2020, assuming Trump isn't impeached before then.), they should expand SCOTUS to 11 seats. They can nuke the legislative filibuster to achieve any changes in the law necessary to make this happen. Then they can appoint two progressive, rational, young justices to the court to even out the blatant cheating of the GOP in 2016/2017.

Conservatives may say: "oh, we'll just expand it to 15 justices when we take power again." But guess what? You will NEVER take power again after 2020. Trump is the last GOP president in history. The conservative base of old white men is dying out VERY quickly, and as the younger generations become more and more diverse, the voting power of the GOP will decline rapidly after 2020, ensuring that you never win another election. This fact is made even more so by the fact that if we expand SCOTUS to 11 members, we will fire up an entire base of young, motivated progressives who don't usually vote, doubling our voters in all future elections.

My fellow progressives may say: "we shouldn't sink down to their level." No, we sure as hell should. This is a full blown civil war now, and our side is on the right side of history. We CANNOT keep fighting with one hand tied behind out back. We need to be ruthless and merciless in dismantling the power of the GOP, so that our forward thinking, progressive vision of America will win out over their message of hate and darkness. Now is NOT the time to "play fair." This is the time to fight with everything we have, against an enemy that have proven themselves traitors to this country.

There is no reason for the Democratic party not to expand the court the next time they have the power to do so.
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No, 9 has worked out just fine for around 138 years.

The GOP took no dump on the Constitution, they denied consent, before, during or after hearings is irrelevant. The first hearing didn't happen till 1916 and the nominee wasn't required to attend. The first public hearing as we have now wasn't till 1925.

Garland does not rightfully belong in that seat, he was denied confirmation, besides what makes you think the GOP would have confirmed him anyway ?? You're assuming way to much.

The GOP senate did nothing illegitimate, Senate rules can be changed via majority vote, just ask Harry Reid.

You stated "They can nuke the legislative filibuster". Before that you claimed the GOP nuking the filibuster was illegitimate, why wouldn't it be illegitimate for a Dem Senate majority to do the same ?? Double standards much ??
 
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molten_dragon said:
No, they shouldn't. Although I don't agree with what the Republicans did, it was (marginally) legal. They took a gamble and it paid off.

I'm not going to encourage the Democrats to play the same bull**** games that I don't like the Republicans playing.
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It was totally legal, there is no question. Distasteful maybe, but politics never has been a hand shake and a kiss.
 
Re: When the Democrats take back the Presidency and Senate, should they expand SCOTUS

CamaradaJose17 said:
The GOP blatantly took a massive dump on the Constitution by stealing a Supreme Court seat. The seat that Neil Gorsuch currently occupies rightfully belongs to Merrick Garland.
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Sorry, could you explain what part of the Constitution was violated? Further, you suggest a court packing scheme ala FDR who was shot doing trying to pull such a maneuver and would do more to violate the Constitution than what you're crying about.

Oh...and your polls are dumb.
 
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