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Why are American Blacks Still So Poor/Prone to Crime?

Why are American blacks still poor and prone to crime?

  • White Supremacy

    Votes: 20 34.5%

  • Legacy of Slavery

    Votes: 27 46.6%

  • Welfare

    Votes: 24 41.4%

  • Single Motherhood

    Votes: 34 58.6%

  • Genetics

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • Total voters
    58
Cephus said:
Whether your son was abused or not, his actions are his own.
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They are. I am not saying the father should be locked up. I am saying bad parenting can have bad consequences just like bad policies.

What, do you think your son should be let out of prison because he has some kind of sob story?
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Umm, no. Where did I say that?

Or do you think you should go to prison because your son claims it was your misbehavior that caused him to kill someone? Or do you think it doesn't really matter, his actions are ultimately his own and no excuse is good enough to get him out of punishment? I vote for the latter.
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Am I speaking another language? I already stated no amount of abuse justifies hurting others. Do you not think those absent black fathers hold at least part of the responsibility for the violence caused by their gangster sons?
 
phattonez said:
Neither income,

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nor poverty,

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adequately explain why single motherhood rates are higher among blacks. It's higher across all incomes and poverty levels.

https://randomcriticalanalysis.word...cide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/
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You're still missing it. But that's okay.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Race in one way or another is all you talk about. Your obsession with race defines you. I think you believe that when you get to your idea of heaven everyone will be white, even Jesus, who wasn't white.
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I see. And do you so admonish your fellow travelers who focus on white privilege and the like? No? Hypocrisy much?
 
radcen said:
I disagree with that. For some that is their motivator.
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I have never heard anyone say their goal in life was to be a single parent.
 
Geoist said:
They are. I am not saying the father should be locked up. I am saying bad parenting can have bad consequences just like bad policies.
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Sure they can. So what? There are no acceptable excuses for engaging in anti-social, illegal activity.

Umm, no. Where did I say that?
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You didn't. But you still suggested that your imaginary son had an excuse. I don't think there are any acceptable excuses that he could have.

Am I speaking another language? I already stated no amount of abuse justifies hurting others. Do you not think those absent black fathers hold at least part of the responsibility for the violence caused by their gangster sons?
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Did their absence impact their child? Yes. Does that negate the son's responsibility for their actions? Not a chance. I don't care that they were gone. That doesn't grant a license to the kid to get away with murder (or any other crime).
 
I saw a banner at the Berkeley riots:
"Become Ungovernable"

I think they may have stumbled on to something.
 
I saw a banner at the Berkeley riots:
"Become Ungovernable"

I think they may have stumbled on to something.
 
None of the above. I suggest it's the preponderance of inner city life, more than a race issue.
 
Cephus said:
Sure they can. So what? There are no acceptable excuses for engaging in anti-social, illegal activity.



You didn't. But you still suggested that your imaginary son had an excuse. I don't think there are any acceptable excuses that he could have.



Did their absence impact their child? Yes. Does that negate the son's responsibility for their actions? Not a chance. I don't care that they were gone. That doesn't grant a license to the kid to get away with murder (or any other crime).
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You are still going on the assumption that I believe the criminal is excused if they had a terrible parent. That is not at all what I am saying. We can hold people responsible for their actions but at the same time review how society's rules and decisions may impact behavior. You want to have the best rules for a productive society, just as you want the best fathers to produce good sons.
 
Geoist said:
You are still going on the assumption that I believe the criminal is excused if they had a terrible parent. That is not at all what I am saying. We can hold people responsible for their actions but at the same time review how society's rules and decisions may impact behavior. You want to have the best rules for a productive society, just as you want the best fathers to produce good sons.
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Then the terrible parenting is irrelevant. There are no excuses for why people behave badly. They are accountable for their actions regardless. While I do want everyone to have a good upbringing, even if they don't, they are still responsible for their own actions.
 
phattonez said:
This is pathetic. Why are we making excuses for single motherhood, by anyone?
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Because it is almost never a voluntary choice that someone makes. Particularly not when they are already poor. It is a mistake that some get stuck with or choose to live with for various reasons. It tends to happen to certain people in certain situations more than others, but it is almost never situation anybody intentionally gets themselves into.

It is certainly worth our time to try and help make sure it happens at little as often, but attacking those who end up in this situation or acting like all the blame and burden falls on them for the circumstance they are in would be ridiculous.

Studies show that there are certain states and parts of the country that are doing a significantly better job of preventing teen pregnancy than others. A first step would be to look at what those states with lower pregnancy rates are doing to educate young people on sex and how they are making birth control available.
 
Cephus said:
While I do want everyone to have a good upbringing, even if they don't, they are still responsible for their own actions.
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I agree... so what are you debating?
 
Geoist said:
I agree... so what are you debating?
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No clue, you're the one who disagreed with me. No one is responsible for the actions of the individual but the individual.
 
Cephus said:
No clue, you're the one who disagreed with me. No one is responsible for the actions of the individual but the individual.
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For the record, I believe it was you who responded to me (post #261). But what I disagree with you on is your commitment to ignore the imperfections of our system.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
... and the lack reparations which are long over due. Also still waiting on the 40 acres and a mule too.
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1. Reparations are not due let alone over-due, they never have been.
2. 40 acres and a mule? Keep waiting. iLOL

Special Field Orders, No. 15 (series 1865) were military orders issued during the American Civil War, on January 16, 1865, by General William Tecumseh Sherman, commander of the Military Division of the Mississippi of the United States Army.[1] They provided for the confiscation of 400,000 acres (1,600 km2) of land along the Atlantic coast of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida and the dividing of it into parcels of not more than 40 acres (0.16 km2),[2] on which were to be settled approximately 18,000 freed slave families and other Blacks then living in the area.

The orders were issued following Sherman's March to the Sea. They were intended to address the immediate problem of dealing with the tens of thousands of black refugees who had joined Sherman's march in search of protection and sustenance, and "to assure the harmony of action in the area of operations".[3] His intention was for the order to be a temporary measure to address an immediate problem, and not to grant permanent ownership of the land to the freedmen, although most of the recipients assumed otherwise.[4] General Sherman issued his orders four days after meeting in Savannah, Georgia with twenty local black ministers and lay leaders and with U.S. Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton. Brig. Gen. Rufus Saxton, an abolitionist from Massachusetts who had previously organized the recruitment of black soldiers for the Union Army, was put in charge of implementing the orders.[5]

The orders had little concrete effect, as they were revoked in the fall of that same year by President Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Abraham Lincoln after his assassination.

Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15
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MrWonka said:
Because it is almost never a voluntary choice that someone makes. Particularly not when they are already poor. It is a mistake that some get stuck with or choose to live with for various reasons. It tends to happen to certain people in certain situations more than others, but it is almost never situation anybody intentionally gets themselves into.

It is certainly worth our time to try and help make sure it happens at little as often, but attacking those who end up in this situation or acting like all the blame and burden falls on them for the circumstance they are in would be ridiculous.

Studies show that there are certain states and parts of the country that are doing a significantly better job of preventing teen pregnancy than others. A first step would be to look at what those states with lower pregnancy rates are doing to educate young people on sex and how they are making birth control available.
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So 75% of black children are born of rape?
 
Geoist said:
For the record, I believe it was you who responded to me (post #261). But what I disagree with you on is your commitment to ignore the imperfections of our system.
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I'm not ignoring anything. I'm saying it doesn't matter. I am saying that every single person has to be held equally accountable. We can't go treating one group differently than another group. Everyone is equal in the eyes of the law and has equal responsibility under it.
 
Excon said:
1. Reparations are not due let alone over-due, they never have been.
2. 40 acres and a mule? Keep waiting. iLOL

Special Field Orders, No. 15 (series 1865) were military orders issued during the American Civil War, on January 16, 1865, by General William Tecumseh Sherman, commander of the Military Division of the Mississippi of the United States Army.[1] They provided for the confiscation of 400,000 acres (1,600 km2) of land along the Atlantic coast of South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida and the dividing of it into parcels of not more than 40 acres (0.16 km2),[2] on which were to be settled approximately 18,000 freed slave families and other Blacks then living in the area.

The orders were issued following Sherman's March to the Sea. They were intended to address the immediate problem of dealing with the tens of thousands of black refugees who had joined Sherman's march in search of protection and sustenance, and "to assure the harmony of action in the area of operations".[3] His intention was for the order to be a temporary measure to address an immediate problem, and not to grant permanent ownership of the land to the freedmen, although most of the recipients assumed otherwise.[4] General Sherman issued his orders four days after meeting in Savannah, Georgia with twenty local black ministers and lay leaders and with U.S. Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton. Brig. Gen. Rufus Saxton, an abolitionist from Massachusetts who had previously organized the recruitment of black soldiers for the Union Army, was put in charge of implementing the orders.[5]

The orders had little concrete effect, as they were revoked in the fall of that same year by President Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Abraham Lincoln after his assassination.

Sherman's Special Field Orders, No. 15
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Oh okay.
 
Same reason the Irish and Italians were. But as with many other things like art and music, we Eyetalians are best at crime. African-Americans are amateurs.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Yes the joke is on you. As you wish to be what you will never become. Continue to live in your world of lies and deceit by your nature it is when you belong.
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I have never been to the City of Angles... is this type of accent common?
 
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