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Why are American Blacks Still So Poor/Prone to Crime?

Why are American blacks still poor and prone to crime?

  • White Supremacy

    Votes: 20 34.5%

  • Legacy of Slavery

    Votes: 27 46.6%

  • Welfare

    Votes: 24 41.4%

  • Single Motherhood

    Votes: 34 58.6%

  • Genetics

    Votes: 8 13.8%
  • Total voters
    58
Ive lived in a pretty ghetto place before and lots of my neighbors happened to be black. Pretty much every single one of them was smarter than me. Better at telling jokes, better at telling stories, better at flirting with girls, better at video games, better at communicating with body language. . They understood the situation much quicker than me and I even had to be led to water quite a few times. But it was obvious I'd blow them out of the water in a IQ test because I'm a logic fanatic and had a science mind.
 
Fearandloathing said:
There are different degrees of bigotry, if you define it as a pre-judgement of an individual based on feelings toward a group of individuals. I am more liberal than people I know and I admit my re-action to some stimuli is race-base. It's been ground into our hard wiring through culture. I see a car make an illegal left hand turn or do something really stupid, my reaction will be to ...'another Chinese driver'.

Where that 'culture' becomes an issue is when that thinking is used to block someone from society or a part of it. It becomes dangerous when laws are called for to make those4 kind of distinctions.

I will close by stating Canada has the same problem, natives make up less than 10% of the population but our prisons are 70% native...and it's not because they are prone to crime, as Canadian native culture is the most peaceful I've encountered. It's because of 150 years of institutionalized racism where native children were taken from their homes to go to "residential schools" to have the "indian" beaten out of them.

It persists because we teach it to our children in small ways
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My wife and I recently saw a movie about the institutional system that the native children in Canada were force to live in. It was tragic, horrible experiences so many went through.

Humans can be cruel mo-fo's.

Gezzzz, I've been typing my posts from my mini-iPad and auto correct is driving me crazy-ER. :lol:
 
Removable Mind said:
My wife and I recently saw a movie about the institutional system that the native children in Canada were force to live in. It was tragic, horrible experiences so many went through.

Humans can be cruel mo-fo's.

Gezzzz, I've been typing my posts from my mini-iPad and auto correct is driving me crazy-ER. :lol:
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What I find most devastating is how open, widespread but still unknown practice. The last residential school closed only 25 years ago. I was a national reporter in those days and had no idea. It is astonishing that no one ever picked up a phone and called a radio station to say "this is wrong"

It is one of many shames, but what I will say is the healing that has come has surpassed anything a government could do. The establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with national hearings has opened those wounds; and it is our own natives who are now teaching the rest of us about foregivness.
 
phattonez said:
#1 What are you basing that on?
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A quick search on Google.

Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs - Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs | Alternet

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race. - Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - Vocativ

phattonez said:
#2 Yup, I don't think you had a good explanation.
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I did not give an explanation. I was giving an example of what contributes to the problem.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What I find most devastating is how open, widespread but still unknown practice. The last residential school closed only 25 years ago. I was a national reporter in those days and had no idea. It is astonishing that no one ever picked up a phone and called a radio station to say "this is wrong"

It is one of many shames, but what I will say is the healing that has come has surpassed anything a government could do. The establishment of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with national hearings has opened those wounds; and it is our own natives who are now teaching the rest of us about foregivness.
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Unfortunately, too many folks (here) are too busy hating their fellow Americans over every topic possible - so I'm thinking that forgiveness is out of the equation.

A lot of Native Americans live in squalor reservations, but there'll be a dozen or so posters who will blame them for every failure that they've experienced. They just need to pull themselves up by the moccasins. :roll: Or it is totally liberal manifested problem.
 
Black Dog said:
A quick search on Google.

Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs - Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs | Alternet

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race. - Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - Vocativ
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Those all say youth. Further, they don't look at the different rates of dealing, which naturally come with higher arrest rates and longer sentences.
 
Removable Mind said:
Unfortunately, too many folks (here) are too busy hating their fellow Americans over every topic possible - so I'm thinking that forgiveness is out of the equation.

A lot of Native Americans live in squalor reservations, but there'll be a dozen or so posters who will blame them for every failure that they've experienced. They just need to pull themselves up by the moccasins. :roll: Or it is totally liberal manifested problem.
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Their high incarceration rates and rates of alcoholism aren't helping. Why do you automatically assume that when there is a disparity of outcomes that it must be due to racism? Is culture not a significant contributor?
 
phattonez said:
Sure it contributes, but I don't see it as a major contributor.
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1 in 9 children with a parent in prison isn't a major contributor to the socioeconomic status of blacks? Can you imagine how devastating such a statistic would be to the white community?
 
Geoist said:
1 in 9 children with a parent in prison isn't a major contributor to the socioeconomic status of blacks? Can you imagine how devastating such a statistic would be to the white community?
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You're, possibly, conflating cause and effect. Is the socioeconomic status the cause of the high incarceration, or is the high incarceration the cause of low socioeconomic status?
 
Removable Mind said:
I don't see these issues as a chicken or the egg situation. There is a historical social behavioral map, if you will, that outlines the many ways that racism, bigotry, prejudice, and discrimination have been employed over time.

But racism, bigotry, prejudices and discrimination "are ideologies", "a state of mind", when possessed by individuals in positions of power in governments or businesses, have sustained these these behaviors over decades and are alive and well today.

People who are racists and bigots are from all walks of life. How they implement their prejudices and discrimination isn't always obvious or blatant. The degree in which individuals are prejudiced obviously vary.

Any person who claims that the bear no racists, bigoted, or prejudices...at some degree... against some person, persons, groups, etc,etc, or being dishonest.
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I dont see it as a racial issue, but rather a cultural one. And my point was questioning whether people are criminal because theyre treated like criminals, or treated like criminals because they are criminals. Chicken or Egg? And the answer is how we move forward. Will treating people according to their character improve it or have no effect?
 
Geoist said:
1 in 9 children with a parent in prison isn't a major contributor to the socioeconomic status of blacks? Can you imagine how devastating such a statistic would be to the white community?
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Disrespect for the law in black culture is a choice made.

For sure they should try to do better.
 
jonny5 said:
I dont see it as a racial issue, but rather a cultural one. And my point was questioning whether people are criminal because theyre treated like criminals, or treated like criminals because they are criminals. Chicken or Egg? And the answer is how we move forward. Will treating people according to their character improve it or have no effect?
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Look at statistics that aren't going to be impacted by even the potential of racism. For instance, look at comparative STD rates. This tells me a lot about culture and the high time preference that is probably endemic there.
 
phattonez said:
Those all say youth.
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I guess you missed the whole "are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites"

What does this tell you? Or do I need to explain in detail because you are certainly not reading the links.

phattonez said:
Further, they don't look at the different rates of dealing, which naturally come with higher arrest rates and longer sentences.
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Obviously you are clueless on this subject as well...

White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-get-arrested-for-it/?utm_term=.814a077a036b

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time - When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time | The Huffington Post

Now are you going to try and dodge again?
 
Black Dog said:
I guess you missed the whole "are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites"

What does this tell you? Or do I need to explain in detail because you are certainly not reading the links.



Obviously you are clueless on this subject as well...

White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-get-arrested-for-it/?utm_term=.814a077a036b

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time - When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time | The Huffington Post

Now are you going to try and dodge again?
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This as was mentioned at the 1st page is a bait thread. I looked at the poll and 6 simple minded critters believe it is genetics. That should provide insight into who you may be debating.
 
Black Dog said:
I guess you missed the whole "are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites"

What does this tell you? Or do I need to explain in detail because you are certainly not reading the links.



Obviously you are clueless on this subject as well...

White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-get-arrested-for-it/?utm_term=.814a077a036b

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time - When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time | The Huffington Post

Now are you going to try and dodge again?
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its far easier to bust drug dealers who operate on inner city streets in plain sight then it is to bust drug dealers selling in suburban homes or in other places that don't have lots of police presence. Furthermore, in inner city black communities, dealers tend to be better known to the residents of the area than those selling to prep school kids on country club golf courses. When I first started working as a prosecutor, I wouldn't know how to find a white drug dealer selling coke to rich white kids. I could drive to three of four street corners and see black crack dealers selling to black kids and adults.
 
TurtleDude said:
its far easier to bust drug dealers who operate on inner city streets in plain sight then it is to bust drug dealers selling in suburban homes or in other places that don't have lots of police presence. Furthermore, in inner city black communities, dealers tend to be better known to the residents of the area than those selling to prep school kids on country club golf courses. When I first started working as a prosecutor, I wouldn't know how to find a white drug dealer selling coke to rich white kids. I could drive to three of four street corners and see black crack dealers selling to black kids and adults.
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Drug problems as in selling and such similar?
 
Black Dog said:
I guess you missed the whole "are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites"

What does this tell you? Or do I need to explain in detail because you are certainly not reading the links.
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So why do I find conflicting statistics?

| National Review

Obviously you are clueless on this subject as well...

White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-get-arrested-for-it/?utm_term=.814a077a036b

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time - When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time | The Huffington Post

Now are you going to try and dodge again?
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No dodge. What you're not realizing is that prosecutors can often avoid trial by getting a defendant to plead guilty. Since drug offenses carry mandatory minimums, it's often easier to get a defendant to plead guilty to a drug charge than to go to trial. Do you know what percentage of cases end with a plead deal? Around 97%.

Why Innocent People Plead Guilty | by Jed S. Rakoff | The New York Review of Books

Further, consider recidivism.

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phattonez said:
Their high incarceration rates and rates of alcoholism aren't helping. Why do you automatically assume that when there is a disparity of outcomes that it must be due to racism? Is culture not a significant contributor?
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I said that racism, bigot, prejudices, and discrimination - are the dynamics that have set the stage, the conditions, the environments that incubates the behaviors associated with much higher rates (or per capita) of being subject to poverty, crime (especially black on black crime), etc, etc....

I think your mind is made up as to why those rates you've listed are disproportionately high. Nothing that I've said is reaching you. So I don't think I've got any information that's of any value to you.

By the way, alcoholism/addiction is an academic discipline, in and of itself. I don't know what the current statistics are on the impact of addiction/alcoholism regarding each race. But I do know there's numbers available if you want to explore them.

Thanks...
 
Black Dog said:
A quick search on Google.

Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs - Stereotype Shattered as New Study Finds White Youth Are More Likely Than Blacks to Abuse Hard Drugs | Alternet

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race. - Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks | TIME.com

White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - White People Do More Drugs, Black People Serve More Time - Vocativ



I did not give an explanation. I was giving an example of what contributes to the problem.
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If you read those cited articles objectively you will recognize they are completely and ridiculously biased and don't At all reflect what their headlines are purporting. The altnet article....it's just ridiculous. But the Times article is intentionally deceptive. It cites the level of incarceration for drug crimes...not for drug use, then goes on to talk about percentages of drug use...two entirely unrelated categories.

That's not to say there is t disparity in sentencing and problems in the 'war in drugs'.


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phattonez said:
Look at statistics that aren't going to be impacted by even the potential of racism. For instance, look at comparative STD rates. This tells me a lot about culture and the high time preference that is probably endemic there.
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I think its probably a result of the same cultural issues. Lack of parenting and thus education, and societal reinforcement of such behavior.
 
Removable Mind said:
I said that racism, bigot, prejudices, and discrimination - are the dynamics that have set the stage, the conditions, the environments that incubates the behaviors associated with much higher rates (or per capita) of being subject to poverty, crime (especially black on black crime), etc, etc....

I think your mind is made up as to why those rates you've listed are disproportionately high. Nothing that I've said is reaching you. So I don't think I've got any information that's of any value to you.

By the way, alcoholism/addiction is an academic discipline, in and of itself. I don't know what the current statistics are on the impact of addiction/alcoholism regarding each race. But I do know there's numbers available if you want to explore them.

Thanks...
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What do these gonorrhea rates tell you?

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Black Dog said:
I guess you missed the whole "are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites"

What does this tell you? Or do I need to explain in detail because you are certainly not reading the links.



Obviously you are clueless on this subject as well...

White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-get-arrested-for-it/?utm_term=.814a077a036b

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time - When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time | The Huffington Post

Now are you going to try and dodge again?
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The only reason more whites are dealing is because whites outnumber blacks 5:1 at 63% of the US population. You might want to look at the comparison of percentages after you take this into account. Whites come down dramatically in the percentages after you include all the numbers and facts.

How many of these blacks have had prior judgments before the hammer finally came down?. Have you researched priors before or after you linked these one sided links?
 
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