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Lethal Injection or Firing Squd

What would you choose?

  • Firing Squad

    Votes: 21 80.8%
  • Lethal Injection

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Total voters
    26
my wife owns several horses Last spring, the oldest had several ongoing issues and one night, we came home to find the horse down in its field and while we got him back up and the vet spent the night giving the animal IVs and other medications, by the next day, the lab results were such that the horse-31 at the time-could not tolerate the surgery that had an outside chance of saving it. SO the vet gave the horse a shot and in 10 seconds it went completely down and was dead within a minute. There is nothing to indicate the animal suffered any pain.

Umm that's not the same as the controversy over the prison 'cocktail' First, a standard amount of midazolam sedative is used regardless of the body mass. That means someone who is large may not even pass out...In fact this has happened:

Arizona execution stirs lethal injection controversy - CNN.com

"It took nearly two hours for him to die.
Journalists called to witness the execution said it was hard to watch, as Wood snorted and gasped."

Of course, the sadists will say he deserved it, but the reason Arkansas is frothing at the mouth to butcher several people this way is to save $ (use its stock of the drugs) before SCOTUS bans it altogether (likely)

When there's no indication? That's because the muscles are stopped first so they *cant* respond. It's just a pretense to act as if it's not 'cruel and unusual' because you don't see them flailing about - "It also smothers any outward signs of distress that would trouble observers." The Death Penalty is Experiencing Technical Difficulties - Fordham Law

"Every year, thousands of Americans report waking up mid-surgery, able to feel the pain but unable to cry out because of the paralytic drug."

This is what happens in some cases of lethal injections. Difference of course is surgery is meant to be lifesaving/improving, and guess what? Most hospitals have stopped using it so they can increase the sedative, when the patient is reacting. The paralyzer is also banned on animal euthanasia for this reason. But that kind of paralyzed suffering is far less likely with animals than human executions because, well, their brains are different, and because the lethal drug is different. So what happens in the 3rd stage of executions?

They stop the heart before the brain, which will be painful and take a lot longer than 1 minute. The way they stop the heart is also barbaric - they simply OD someone on a painkiller. So the person is laying there slowly overdosing and unable to indicate any torment. No sedative will likely keep them unconscious thru that. So an OD will take a lot longer than 1 minute to stop the heart, and then in turn shut off the brain - "The average time to death once a lethal injection protocol has been started is about 7 to 11 minutes" Change in Lethal Injections Ordered - latimes

In the case of the Arizona execution, it took 2 hours!

This has led to some judges ordering an end to this process in their respective state
 
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allows the use of the prisoner's organs for medical transplants

not true with Lethal injection, electrocution or the incredibly inhumane gas chamber.

Electric chair yeah, but gas chamber with pure nitrogen would be rather humane actually, far more than injection as someone noted. This is the 'exit bag' that some suicides use. They pass out before realizing it. The problem is there was over 20% oxygen kept in a gas chamber. Like the nazis, the states that used this execution method (including on a 14 year old almost certainly innocent black kid in south carolina) just didn't give a damn about that however. They still clearly don't, just the courts force them into an alternate barbaric method seemingly at random. Actually the nazis probably had at least one better excuse - their victims had to be tricked into thinking they were safe until the last moment
 
Dang, found another - "Oklahoma injected Clayton Lockett with midazolam in April. But instead of becoming unconscious, he twitched, convulsed and spoke. The execution was halted, but Lockett died anyhow after 43 minutes."

Arizona execution stirs lethal injection controversy - CNN.com

That's before even being given the other 2 drugs...and since he wasn't given the paralyzer, witnesses were confronted head on with how un-sedated he was
 
Umm that's not the same as the controversy over the prison 'cocktail' First, a standard amount of midazolam sedative is used regardless of the body mass. That means someone who is large may not even pass out...In fact this has happened:

Arizona execution stirs lethal injection controversy - CNN.com

"It took nearly two hours for him to die.
Journalists called to witness the execution said it was hard to watch, as Wood snorted and gasped."

Of course, the sadists will say he deserved it, but the reason Arkansas is frothing at the mouth to butcher several people this way is to save $ (use its stock of the drugs) before SCOTUS bans it altogether (likely)

When there's no indication? That's because the muscles are stopped first so they *cant* respond. It's just a pretense to act as if it's not 'cruel and unusual' because you don't see them flailing about - "It also smothers any outward signs of distress that would trouble observers." The Death Penalty is Experiencing Technical Difficulties - Fordham Law

"Every year, thousands of Americans report waking up mid-surgery, able to feel the pain but unable to cry out because of the paralytic drug."

This is what happens in some cases of lethal injections. Difference of course is surgery is meant to be lifesaving/improving, and guess what? Most hospitals have stopped using it so they can increase the sedative, when the patient is reacting. The paralyzer is also banned on animal euthanasia for this reason. But that kind of paralyzed suffering is far less likely with animals than human executions because, well, their brains are different, and because the lethal drug is different. So what happens in the 3rd stage of executions?

They stop the heart before the brain, which will be painful and take a lot longer than 1 minute. The way they stop the heart is also barbaric - they simply OD someone on a painkiller. So the person is laying there slowly overdosing and unable to indicate any torment. No sedative will likely keep them unconscious thru that. So an OD will take a lot longer than 1 minute to stop the heart, and then in turn shut off the brain - "The average time to death once a lethal injection protocol has been started is about 7 to 11 minutes" Change in Lethal Injections Ordered - latimes

In the case of the Arizona execution, it took 2 hours!

This has led to some judges ordering an end to this process in their respective state

Actually, you've got that wrong. The controversy is over the midazolam, and that part I can agree on. A few patients don't completely lose consciousness. The second drug causes paralysis, but it's the third part of the cocktail, salt water, that does the actual killing. If the midazolam doesn't render the victim unconscious, it will be a pretty gruesome death. But a lot of politicians are more animal than human.
 
Sorry but you just pass out without any warning before hand there is no feelings as in downing.

A whole NASA work crew once died in that manner when they enter an area that was O2 free by error.

I had always feel that their names belong on the same honor plate as the astronauts who had given their lives for the space program at Cape Kennedy.

Like I said...you don't know what it is like to lack O2 in the blood stream. You do not ...just pass out.

Look up the term hypoxemia. Or better yet, ask someone with Asthma or Conjunctive Heart Failure.
 
Like I said...you don't know what it is like to lack O2 in the blood stream. You do not ...just pass out.

Look up the term hypoxemia. Or better yet, ask someone with Asthma or Conjunctive Heart Failure.

Choking and drowning is TOTALLY different than having the nitrogen DISPLACE the oxygen in the brain. It literally flushes it all out and you instantly pass out. There is no choking feeling with 100% nitrogen. You just take in a full breath of it and get dizzy. Take in another full breath and pass out. When 0% oxygen is in the brain its night night time. It takes a VERY long time to hold your breath and make that oxygen disapear. It takes seconds if you breath in pure nitrogen.

6% oxygen / 94% nitrogen level will lead to coma in 40 seconds.

100% nitrogen.... Almost instant.

Oklahoma Nitrogen Gas Executions Approved By Governor | Time.com

The only trouble would be the prisoners torturing themselves by holding their own breath for a few minutes. Hence why i recommend the "take 1 pill every day and eventually 1 puts you to sleep" method. Then while you are asleep they drag you to the nitrogen tank.
 
Actually, you've got that wrong. The controversy is over the midazolam, and that part I can agree on. A few patients don't completely lose consciousness. The second drug causes paralysis, but it's the third part of the cocktail, salt water, that does the actual killing. If the midazolam doesn't render the victim unconscious, it will be a pretty gruesome death. But a lot of politicians are more animal than human.

The controversy is over all 3. Lack of strong enough sedation *given* the pain of potassium chloride, and *given* the paralyzing agent, there is no obviousness to this

Except when there is, because the paralyzing agent didn't work as intended either
 
Like I said...you don't know what it is like to lack O2 in the blood stream. You do not ...just pass out.

Look up the term hypoxemia. Or better yet, ask someone with Asthma or Conjunctive Heart Failure.

we're talking about directly inhaling nitrogen, not freaking asthma. The nitrogen kills them faster than the lack of oxygen. At 85% nitrogen it could be a slow death similar to old gas chambers. At 97-100% they'd be dead before they knew what was happening (it's odorless and tasteless), and would possibly be euphoric until less than a minute passes and they're unconscious. Then there's death within 3 minutes, which is still much faster than lethal injection

The US Chemical Safety and Hazard board concluded it induces "unconsciousness after only one or two breaths. The exposed person has no warning and cannot sense that the oxygen level is too low."

There are about 8 accidental deaths a year from this, which is also why the transfer of nitrogen for industrial purposes is regulated
 
Or a bullet in the back of the head Chinese style. They dead before they feel it.

Or a "captive rod" system like used in slaughter houses.

I think I heard somewhere that the next of kin get charged for the bullet. :mrgreen:
 
There something odd here as over my lifespan I been in a room at my vet with a beloved pet a dozen or more time when it came time to end his or her life.

One time the vet even came to my home to take care of the deed and my cat was on my lap when he was given his shots.

At no time did any of them seem to suffer in any manner so why is this so must harder to do when it come to humans and why do we need special and hard to get drugs when drugs that can do the deed can be found in lock boxes at any vet?

The whole thing seem odds.

I have wondered the same thing. If we can put our animals down fast and humanely, why not those on death row?
 
Firing squad is faster and more humane, assuming they actually try to kill you. That's why they got rid of it, because the riflemen would "miss" and hit something non-vital. It could take a very long time to actually kill someone that way.

Give all of them bullets instead of just one, that way one asshole can't do something like that.
 
Give all of them bullets instead of just one, that way one asshole can't do something like that.

Give them lots of bullets and automatic weapons, then it doesn't matter. You only get a closed casket then though.
 
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