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Mandatory vaccination

Should vaccines be mandatory?

  • yes

    Votes: 54 56.8%

  • no

    Votes: 36 37.9%

  • not sure

    Votes: 5 5.3%
  • Total voters
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Scrabaholic said:
People aren't dying from those diseases in higher numbers because of vaccinations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smh
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Which is proof people are taking them... no need to make it mandatory.
 
ObamacareFail said:
And without making the vaccines mandatory for every man, woman, and child. Go figure!
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But childhood diseases are on rise because of those who opt of vaccinations.

According to one study children who are not vaccinated are 35 times more likly to get measles.


From the University of Minnesota

A review of 18 measles studies and 32 pertussis studies published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that parents who intentionally do not have their children vaccinated contribute to disease outbreaks, though other factors are likely at work, as well.

Measles and pertussis (whooping cough), both highly contagious, are on the rise in the United States. Measles was declared eradicated from the United States in 2000 but has recently resurged, with 667 cases in 2014 and 189 in 2015, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Pertussis dropped to fewer than 2,000 US cases for several years in the 1970s and '80s before roaring back to more than 48,000 cases in 2012, a 60-year high, according to the CDC.

The JAMA meta-analysis, conducted by a team led by Emory University researchers, involved 1,416 measles cases and 10,609 pertussis cases across the 50 studies.

Exemptions from measles vaccination
The experts looked at measles outbreaks from 2000 until November 30, 2015, including an outbreak linked to Disneyland in 2014 and 2015 that involved 111 cases.

Of the 1,416 cases analyzed, 56.8% had no vaccination history, the authors found.They also noted that, of the 970 measles cases with detailed vaccination data, 574 patients (59.2%) were unvaccinated despite being vaccine eligible, and 405 of those (41.8% of the total) had nonmedical exemptions—for religious or philosophical reasons, as opposed to medical reasons.

Those rates compare with 14.1% of outbreak case-patients having received a vaccine, with the remaining cases being ambiguous.

One of the 18 studies that the researchers analyzed claimed that children who are not fully vaccinated are 35 times more likely to become infected with measles.
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Study relates vaccine refusal to rise in measles, pertussis | CIDRAP
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Are mandatory vaccinations, vaccinations?
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Are vaccinations mandatory vaccinations?
Stop playing the fool with your silly strawman you know exactly what I was talkign about.
Ant-vaxxers are morons who think vaccines are BAD!!!!
You Know it I know everyone knows it.
 
Quag said:
Are vaccinations mandatory vaccinations?
Stop playing the fool with your silly strawman you know exactly what I was talkign about.
Ant-vaxxers are morons who think vaccines are BAD!!!!
You Know it I know everyone knows it.
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I am right though...
 
Quag said:
Are vaccinations mandatory vaccinations?
Stop playing the fool with your silly strawman you know exactly what I was talkign about.
Ant-vaxxers are morons who think vaccines are BAD!!!!
You Know it I know everyone knows it.
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Or maybe they just dont care about us.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Which is proof people are taking them... no need to make it mandatory.
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Do you want us to start talking about healthcare dollars spent as a result of sub optimal vac applications?

I kinda expect you dont.




ps Pain Gained?

pss. Lives lost?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Or maybe they just dont care about us.
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No anti-vaxxers are a special kind of moron that actually think vaccines are really really bad, and that they exist ONLY to make $$$ for evil corporations.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Do you want us to start talking about healthcare dollars spent as a result of sub optimal vac applications?

I kinda expect you dont.




ps Pain Gained?

pss. Lives lost?
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Outbreaks/epidemics occuring? None. End Thread.
 
Quag said:
No anti-vaxxers are a special kind of moron that actually think vaccines are really really bad, and that they exist ONLY to make $$$ for evil corporations.
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Not all...but generalize away.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I agree that we should try harder to vaccinate as many people as possible. I do not agree that we should do so by the force of law even in public schools.
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Fine, but the point is that if you choose not to vaccinate then denial of participation is warranted. Though impractical, I would extend this mandate to all public participation in principle. It's just wrong to wilfully expose other's to threats by your own actions.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Spitting at a person is a deliberate attack on a person.
Not getting vaccinated is not an attack on another person.

Try again?

Non.vaccinated people walking around can not harm... in any way, vaccinated people. (Regarding diseases).

Try again?
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No need to try again. Every time you speak with a person up close they are spitting in your face. It's unavoidable. I intentionally baited you with that one anticipating your response. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

You are wrong that vaccinated people can not be harmed. As has been stated in this thread, vaccines are not 100% effective. They greatly increase your odds of reduced symptoms or no symptoms at all. The immune system of the vaccinated person has weapons (antibodies) to fight off the introduced virus. The non-vaccinated still fired the shot and that's what is important.

The non-vaccinated person fires the shot which either misses the person or hits him/her by chance.
 
Bodhisattva said:
A non.vaccinated non.disease carrying person is not assaulting... or even harming... ANYBODY.

. Gee . Sus . Christ .

Your analogies are ridiculous because they are not accurate.
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The disease carrying person is assaulting other people whether or not they realize it. And it is intentional if they wilfully and without scientifically valid reasoning refuse vaccination.
 
ObamacareFail said:
And without making the vaccines mandatory for every man, woman, and child. Go figure!
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Some of the targeted, controlled diseases are making a comeback though, and let's not forget about the innocent who are not medically eligible for vaccination...they remain susceptible to the disease carrying, non-vaccinated, irresponsible, science denying people.

This argument follows the line..."Give me freedom or give me death"......But you don't have the right to choose someone else's death or sickness by willingly denying protection.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I agree that we should try harder to vaccinate as many people as possible. I do not agree that we should do so by the force of law even in public schools.
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Requiring vaccinations for public schools helps protect public school children from preventable childhood diseases and helps to keep the public schools open instead of having to spend a lot of days of shut down because there are fewer outbreaks of preventable childhood illness.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I had whooping cough as a child and was hospitalized with it for a few days, then kept out of school(by my parents) until I no longer exhibited symptoms. Nobody else in my school came down with it. Diptheria is nearly unheard of in the US today. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 cases were reported in the US over the last decade. Tetanus? That is not a condition that can spread from person to person. It's also a bit rare, maybe 30 cases a year and it mostly inflicted someone stepping on something like a rusty nail after never having had a tetanus shot in their entire lifetime. Polio was defeated with herd immunity........without requiring the entire population to be vaccinated. It's rare today in the US. Polio vaccines today are for the most part only recommended if you are traveling to countries where it is still common.
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Whooping cough has been making a big comeback as I posted and recently had the highest number reported in the US in over 60 years.



Pertussis dropped to fewer than 2,000 US cases for several years in the 1970s and '80s before roaring back to more than 48,000 cases in 2012, a 60-year high, according to the CDC.
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Study relates vaccine refusal to rise in measles, pertussis | CIDRAP


It went through my husband's relatives in 1960s and a couple of them were hospitalized. It has been so bad in the last several years that is it is now recommended that pregnant women receive the booster so hopefully there will some temporary immunity passed on when born.

Actually, there are so many foreigners now traveling here on vacation and so many ill children that can't receive the vaccine for medical reasons all children who can be vaccinated should be.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
I had whooping cough as a child and was hospitalized with it for a few days, then kept out of school(by my parents) until I no longer exhibited symptoms. Nobody else in my school came down with it.
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Your school was lucky that no one else came down with whooping cough because someone who gets whooping cough is most contagious before the the person has any has any syntoms.

Adults are getting whopping cough a lot more frequently now and passing it on to babies.

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What is whooping cough? Whooping cough, also known as pertussis, is a serious infection that spreads easily from person to person. The disease causes uncontrollable, violent coughing spells that makes it hard to breathe, eat, or sleep. After severe coughing fits, an individual with whooping cough often needs to take deep breaths which may result in a "whooping' sound. Whooping cough can lead to pneumonia or hospitalization and can affect people of all ages. It can be very serious, even deadly, for babies less than one year old.

Common sources of infection in babies are older siblings, parents, and caregivers. In recent years, as many as 20 babies younger than one year old have died from whooping cough each year in the US. Whooping cough has been on the rise in the US since an all-time low of just over 1,000 cases were reported in 1976. 48,227 cases were reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2012, the most recent peak year. However, many cases go undiagnosed and unreported. Symptoms Early symptoms of whooping cough are similar to the common cold or bronchitis and may include runny nose, sneezing, and mild or occasional cough. Coughing spasms become progressively worse, and can be accompanied by vomiting and exhaustion. Sometimes a “whoop” sound occurs while gasping for breath at the end of a coughing spell. The coughing spells can continue for up to 10 weeks or more. Adults may not have the classic “whoop,” if they have a milder case of the disease.

Prevention Whooping cough is most contagious before the coughing starts, so the most effective way to prevent it is to get vaccinated. The whooping cough vaccine for adults (and adolescents) is called Tdap (tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis). Younger children get a different formulation, called DTaP. Both help protect against tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough.
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Who should get the Tdap vaccine? - [/QUOTE]

See more at: Facts about Whooping Cough for Adults
 
vash1012 said:
Someone getting lung cancer doesn't risk infecting someone else with lung cancer who is state mandated to be around them. Also, someone choosing to smoke is going to run into state level regulations on when and where they can do it. Public places? Not in 28 states. Once again, the government, both state and federal, has accepted a responsibility to protect public health by regulating what people put in their bodies.
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The government mandating something is not accepting responsibility for it. I have a duty to Jehovah Witnesses who walk up to my door that the sidewalk doesn't collapse beneath them, but that does not make me responsible for Jehovah Witnesses. At the end of the day, you either believe in freedom or you believe in forcing people to do what you think they should do, not what they want to do. I believe in freedom of choice. You clearly do not.
 
Russell797 said:
No need to try again. Every time you speak with a person up close they are spitting in your face. It's unavoidable. I intentionally baited you with that one anticipating your response. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

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The non-vaccinated person fires the shot which either misses the person or hits him/her by chance.
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Baited? :lol:

You said deliberate attack. Talking o a person is not deliberately attacking them in any way.

You are wrong that vaccinated people can not be harmed. As has been stated in this thread, vaccines are not 100% effective. They greatly increase your odds of reduced symptoms or no symptoms at all. The immune system of the vaccinated person has weapons (antibodies) to fight off the introduced virus. The non-vaccinated still fired the shot and that's what is important
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I am not wrong. If you are vaccinated then the vaccine is effective. Getting a vaccine shot does not mean you are vaccinated.

The disease carrying person is assaulting other people whether or not they realize it.
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No. A personss defenses might be assaulted but it is not offensive unless it was intentional.

And it is intentional if they wilfully and without scientifically valid reasoning refuse vaccination
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Such horrible reasoning... unless you think the same about people not getting the flu vaccine each year... or not going to the doctor for anti.biotics for every sickness... or not being a greatvswimmer forcing a life guard to risk their life to save you... or anything else...
 
minnie616 said:
But childhood diseases are on rise because of those who opt of vaccinations.

According to one study children who are not vaccinated are 35 times more likly to get measles.


From the University of Minnesota



Study relates vaccine refusal to rise in measles, pertussis | CIDRAP
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The uptick in some of those infections is quite a bit more likely caused by Obama having welcomed in as many refugees from Central America and Syria as he could and not vetting them medically.
 
Russell797 said:
Fine, but the point is that if you choose not to vaccinate then denial of participation is warranted. Though impractical, I would extend this mandate to all public participation in principle. It's just wrong to wilfully expose other's to threats by your own actions.
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Once again, if most people get vaccinated, those few that do not, are not a threat....especially to those who do get vaccinated.
 
Russell797 said:
Some of the targeted, controlled diseases are making a comeback though, and let's not forget about the innocent who are not medically eligible for vaccination...they remain susceptible to the disease carrying, non-vaccinated, irresponsible, science denying people.

This argument follows the line..."Give me freedom or give me death"......But you don't have the right to choose someone else's death or sickness by willingly denying protection.
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You are assuming that everyone who does not get vaccinated is a walking talking active disease incubator. Herd immunity lessens the chance that even those few who do not get vaccinated will get sick.
 
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