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Mandatory vaccination

Should vaccines be mandatory?

  • yes

    Votes: 54 56.8%

  • no

    Votes: 36 37.9%

  • not sure

    Votes: 5 5.3%
  • Total voters
    95
Harshaw said:
There is some bizarre, Orwellian, Kafka-esque reasoning going on this thread.

Seems like some are about a micron away from having unvaccinated kids wear special armbands and being shunned by society.

Never mind the entire concept of "my body, my choice," which a great many seem to have forgotten about holding absolutely sacrosanct in other contexts.
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Exclactly.... it is not like there are actual out breaks occuring that serve as a worry. I dont actually even worry about lone wolf bombers when visiting the States and they are out actively killing people. People not using their turn signals kill more people.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I said get vaccinated... not take a shot. Those thatvit wears off on or does not work on or cant tkae are a very small minority. Vaccinations levels in the USA are above 93% and holding. Herd immunity requires around 90%. We are fine. There are some teeny tiny groups that get measles from time to time. It happens.
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That info is not accurate. Only one childhood vaccine has rates above 92% (polio). The rest vary widely from the 70's to low 90's percentage wise and these rates also vary widely by state, economic class, and race. And all of this occuring while all 50 states have at least some requirements for mandatory vaccination to attend public school. Only 18 states have exemptions other than religious exemptions.

Compare this with the vaccination rates for Flu, Pneumococcal, Shingles, HPV, etc that are not required and you'll see the importace of having provisional mandatory vaccinations. 42,000 adults die each year from vaccine preventable diseases compared with 300 children. Something to think about.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus15.pdf#067

For the record, I don't think anyone should be running around giving vaccines at gun point, but where the state has a direct interest, for example, medicare and medicaid patients, I would have no issue with them being mandatory nor would I have any issue with the state offering incentives to get vaccinated like some countries do.
 
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Russell797 said:
They don't get to participate in public events. No gun required. We are not talking about the common cold here...there are dangerous, debilitating diseases which are only under control because of vaccination programs. Irresponsible people should not be allowed to subject others to unnecessary risk or harm with impunity. A person's freedom ends where it impacts on others.
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Just for the sake of this debate....how about naming those debilitating diseases that are so dangerous.
 
vash1012 said:
That info is not accurate. Only one childhood vaccine has rates above 92% (polio). The rest vary widely from the 70's to low 90's percentage wise and these rates also vary widely by state, economic class, and race. And all of this occuring while all 50 states have at least some requirements for mandatory vaccination to attend public school. Only 18 states have exemptions other than religious exemptions.

Compare this with the vaccination rates for Flu, Pneumococcal, Shingles, HPV, etc that are not required and you'll see the importace of having provisional mandatory vaccinations. 42,000 adults die each year from vaccine preventable diseases compared with 300 children. Something to think about.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus15.pdf#067

For the record, I don't think anyone should be running around giving vaccines at gun point, but where the state has a direct interest, for example, medicare and medicaid patients, I would have no issue with them being mandatory nor would I have any issue with the state offering incentives to get vaccinated like some countries do.
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

Four of the main six are above 90% and the others are above 82%. Correct... i mistakenly referenced the polio at 93% but the number is still around 87%.
 
ObamacareFail said:
However I have seen you use the word moron so many times when someone simply disagrees with mandatory vaccination that it can be hard for one to tell. Most Americans, myself included think vaccinations are a very good idea. Everyone who can get vaccinated should get vaccinated. We just want it to be a government mandate.
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Never called for mandatory vaccination or called anyone a moron who was against manditory vaccinations a moron. I called the anti-vaxxers morons.
 
Quag said:
Never called for mandatory vaccination or called anyone a moron who was against manditory vaccinations a moron. I called the anti-vaxxers morons.
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Anti-vaxxers are against mandatory vaccinations, so yes... you did call people against mandatory vaccinations morons. Be honest now... :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Anti-vaxxers are against mandatory vaccinations, so yes... you did call people against mandatory vaccinations morons. Be honest now... :lol:
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No anti-vaxxers are against vaccinations period.
Be honest now you know I am talking about the morons who think vacinations are far more dangerous than not getting vaccinated.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Assault? That is seriously stupid.

That's all.
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So, It's just fine to infect another person with a potentially debilitating disease due to negligent behaviour (not getting vaccinated)? If I threaten to expose you to a pathogen with words that's illegal. It's assault. If you have AIDs and knowingly expose others that's assault. If you blow smoke in my face, that's an assault on my person with a known harmful substance.

You people are hypocrites if you think you can wilfully go around abusing others without blame by not getting vaccinated.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Just for the sake of this debate....how about naming those debilitating diseases that are so dangerous.
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Polio, measles, rubella, mumps, chicken pox etc. I don't know how old you are, but those diseases were not always under control and people died or were maimed for life by them. This issue is not even debatable by common sense people.
 
Bodhisattva said:
No going to parks or driving on roads or walking on sidewalks or or or... sounds reasonable.

Hey... how about you get vaccinated and stop whining instead? Cool.
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Irresponsible people going around infecting other innocent people is what is wrong. It's indefensible. How about I spit in your eye? That ok?
 
Quag said:
Never called for mandatory vaccination or called anyone a moron who was against manditory vaccinations a moron. I called the anti-vaxxers morons.
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I think the scare monger groups that suggest that nobody should get vaccinated are morons, however I get a different impression from some of your posts. Maybe I will go back and re-read some of them.
 
Russell797 said:
Polio, measles, rubella, mumps, chicken pox etc. I don't know how old you are, but those diseases were not always under control and people died or were maimed for life by them. This issue is not even debatable by common sense people.
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I am 63 and I agree that those viruses were not always under control. However I think Polio is the only malady in that group that had an effective vaccine. I wish there had been an effective vaccine against chicken pox. Perhaps I would have avoided the horrible pain of two bouts of shingles as an adult. However my point still holds, effective herd immunity does not depend on 100% of the population getting vaccinated.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I think the scare monger groups that suggest that nobody should get vaccinated are morons, however I get a different impression from some of your posts. Maybe I will go back and re-read some of them.
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Glad we are in agreement about the morn thing. If you got a different impression from my posts well perhaps I wasnt clear enough, perhaps you were reading things into my posts that werent there, perhaps both. Its the internet after all, everything gets muddled up
 
ObamacareFail said:
I am 63 and I agree that those viruses were not always under control. However I think Polio is the only malady in that group that had an effective vaccine. I wish there had been an effective vaccine against chicken pox. Perhaps I would have avoided the horrible pain of two bouts of shingles as an adult. However my point still holds, effective herd immunity does not depend on 100% of the population getting vaccinated.
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Bodhisattva said:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

Four of the main six are above 90% and the others are above 82%. Correct... i mistakenly referenced the polio at 93% but the number is still around 87%.
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The public health argument aims for 100 percent vaccination coverage.

The following article explains why.

From IFLScience:

Herd immunity against measles requires that 90-95% of the entire population are immune, whereas vaccination coverage is measured as the percentage vaccinated of the target population – which only includes people who are eligible for vaccination. This means that to achieve 95% immunity in the population for measles, vaccination coverage needs to be higher than 95%. This is the scientific argument for a public health policy that aims at 100% vaccination coverage.
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Herd Immunity And Measles: Why We Should Aim For 100% Vaccination Coverage | IFLScience
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Aiming for 100% vaccination is admirable. Getting 100% vaccination is unrealistic.
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Even 95 percent world wide is hard because there are children too young for certain vaccinations but we need to try harder to vaccinate all who are old enough and do have medical reasons not to be vaccinated.

Requiring vaccinations for public school children helps us get nearer the number needed for herd immunity.
 
joG said:
I thought that was why the sick should stay home.
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Often a person is more contagious before symptoms of the illness are apparent.

From the CDC:

The period when an infected person is contagious depends on the age and health of the person. You may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Most healthy adults may be able to infect others beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and 5 to 7 days after becoming sick. Some people, especially young children and people with weakened immune systems, might be able to infect others for an even longer time.
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From the following article:

The narrative during this outbreak, or any measles outbreak really, is that measles is a highly transmissible disease. So transmissible in fact that 90-95% of people must be vaccinated in order to protect the entire population, or achieve what is called herd immunity.

Measles is highly transmissible, not least because people can be contagious days before symptoms develop.
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Herd Immunity And Measles: Why We Should Aim For 100% Vaccination Coverage | IFLScience
 
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minnie616 said:
Even 95 percent world wide is hard because there are children too young for certain vaccinations but we need to try harder to vaccinate all who are old enough and do have medical reasons not to be vaccinated.

Requiring vaccinations for public school children helps us get nearer the number needed for herd immunity.
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I agree that we should try harder to vaccinate as many people as possible. I do not agree that we should do so by the force of law even in public schools.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Whooping cough, diptheria, tetanus, polio.
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I had whooping cough as a child and was hospitalized with it for a few days, then kept out of school(by my parents) until I no longer exhibited symptoms. Nobody else in my school came down with it. Diptheria is nearly unheard of in the US today. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 cases were reported in the US over the last decade. Tetanus? That is not a condition that can spread from person to person. It's also a bit rare, maybe 30 cases a year and it mostly inflicted someone stepping on something like a rusty nail after never having had a tetanus shot in their entire lifetime. Polio was defeated with herd immunity........without requiring the entire population to be vaccinated. It's rare today in the US. Polio vaccines today are for the most part only recommended if you are traveling to countries where it is still common.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I had whooping cough as a child and was hospitalized with it for a few days, then kept out of school(by my parents) until I no longer exhibited symptoms. Nobody else in my school came down with it. Diptheria is nearly unheard of in the US today. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 cases were reported in the US over the last decade. Tetanus? That is not a condition that can spread from person to person. It's also a bit rare, maybe 30 cases a year and it mostly inflicted someone stepping on something like a rusty nail after never having had a tetanus shot in their entire lifetime. Polio was defeated with herd immunity........without requiring the entire population to be vaccinated. It's rare today in the US. Polio vaccines today are for the most part only recommended if you are traveling to countries where it is still common.
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People aren't dying from those diseases in higher numbers because of vaccinations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smh
 
Quag said:
No anti-vaxxers are against vaccinations period.
Be honest now you know I am talking about the morons who think vacinations are far more dangerous than not getting vaccinated.
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Are mandatory vaccinations, vaccinations?
 
Russell797 said:
Irresponsible people going around infecting other innocent people is what is wrong. It's indefensible. How about I spit in your eye? That ok?
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Spitting at a person is a deliberate attack on a person.
Not getting vaccinated is not an attack on another person.

Try again?

Non.vaccinated people walking around can not harm... in any way, vaccinated people. (Regarding diseases).

Try again?
 
Russell797 said:
So, It's just fine to infect another person with a potentially debilitating disease due to negligent behaviour (not getting vaccinated)? If I threaten to expose you to a pathogen with words that's illegal. It's assault. If you have AIDs and knowingly expose others that's assault. If you blow smoke in my face, that's an assault on my person with a known harmful substance.

You people are hypocrites if you think you can wilfully go around abusing others without blame by not getting vaccinated.
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A non.vaccinated non.disease carrying person is not assaulting... or even harming... ANYBODY.

. Gee . Sus . Christ .

Your analogies are ridiculous because they are not accurate.
 
Scrabaholic said:
People aren't dying from those diseases in higher numbers because of vaccinations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smh
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And without making the vaccines mandatory for every man, woman, and child. Go figure!
 
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