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Would you support a rehabilitative incarceration system?

Sohuld American prisons be more like Norway's

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Cephus said:
No one who is executed ever commits another crime. Works for me.



It's a crybaby whiny liberal thing. We know.
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I understand that conservatives have a childlike faith in the power of the government to make things right. It's comforting for the right whinge to have a strong, stern-but-fair Daddy state demanding obedience to clearly-defined rules. It's unfortunate that the price of your paternalistic protection is an overbearing, ever-present authoritarian state but nothing lasts forever.
 
ObamacareFail said:
No....we just want to protect the people on the planet who respect human life.
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Execution isn't respecting human life. This is hypocritical.

ObamacareFail said:
I have never known an executed killer to repeat his crime afterwards.
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Anyway, just because something achieves a goal doesn't mean it doesn't need changing.

Example:

We don't need to change our computer's efficiency, it gets the calculations done with trillions of pollutants produced per calculation!
 
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countryboy said:
Don't get too upset, that's the lib's go-to when they can't counter an argument.
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There are very, very few things that would ever get me mad enough to act on that anger. That, is most definitely on the list, for reasons too personal and too detailed to go into here.
 
countryboy said:
Don't get too upset, that's the lib's go-to when they can't counter an argument.
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I find people representing an argument with passion have conflicts of interest, they also tend to be blindly one sided.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Ah yes, the "it's all the ****ing minorities" argument. I expected nothing less from you.
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As yes ignoring the facts and playing the race card. Well done, exactly the type of low effort no thought post you are known for.
 
It's not really true that they can't be sentenced for longer. If after 25 years they're still deemed a threat, they can be kept indefinitely. But the idea is even a killer might not be a threat after a certain point (think of morgan freeman's character in "shawshank"). Then it becomes a waste to keep them locked up and i'm not sure it's even justice. A lot of victim's relatives have even supported their release at that point, but our system prevents it
 
Cephus said:
No one who is executed ever commits another crime. Works for me.



It's a crybaby whiny liberal thing. We know.
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Oh yes, someone is really a crybaby when they're innocent and get executed before they can prove it. This must be the conservative conspiracy - kill them before they can reveal our **** up

I'm certain you will run from my challenge in the other thread
 
chromium said:
When they're innocent and get executed before they can prove it.
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You got a good point. I haven't justified my position yet, being against death penalty, but you've stated part of it.

chromium said:
This must be the conservative conspiracy - kill them before they can reveal our **** up
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However, this is just an accusation. Do you truly believe supporters of the death penalty want the death penalty for covering up mistakes? Besides, there are statistics on wrongful convictions and if it was so, it would appear that their "cover-up" isn't working.
 
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Inalisist said:
Wrong? Prove me wrong.

I would like to point out it is an observation of people who support death penalty, it isn't proven wrong or right - as far as I know.
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Then you need to observe more. People in this very thread have shown you to be incorrect.
 
Cephus said:
Then you need to observe more. People in this very thread have shown you to be incorrect.
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Well I haven't seen anything even short of convincing that death penalty should be allowed.
 
_Sal said:
or an innocent one to resurrect

no respect for life there
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With modern DNA and other forensic technology, chances of executing innocents is about nil.
 
ObamacareFail said:
With modern DNA and other forensic technology, chances of executing innocents is about nil.
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That isn't true. DNA can be planted easily (for instance). Technology is at the level of confirming if something looks like someone did it.

Also sometimes there is a lack of evidence.
 
Inalisist said:
You got a good point. I haven't justified my position yet, being against death penalty, but you've stated part of it.



However, this is just an accusation. Do you truly believe supporters of the death penalty want the death penalty for covering up mistakes? Besides, there are statistics on wrongful convictions and if it was so, it would appear that their "cover-up" isn't working.
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That's only part of their conspiracy. The other is to kill as many negros as possible
 
Inalisist said:
Well I haven't seen anything even short of convincing that death penalty should be allowed.
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I don't care what your opinions are, your claim that all pro-death penalty people are out for revenge is still wrong.
 
ObamacareFail said:
With modern DNA and other forensic technology, chances of executing innocents is about nil.
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Prosecutors aren't required to carry out DNA tests, why do you think "project innocent" exists and relies on fundraisers? So many juries will convict without any such forensics, and would be unlikely to understand that forensics. Coerced confessions are still a thing, lousy eyewitness testimony is still a thing, and not leaving a trail of blood or fibers that will allow for DNA tests is still a thing
 
Cephus said:
I don't care what your opinions are, your claim that all pro-death penalty people are out for revenge is still wrong.
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I said it was a trend. The other side isn't so innocent as well.
 
Inalisist said:
I said it was a trend. The other side isn't so innocent as well.
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Then show that it is a trend. Where are your statistics? Or is this just something you pulled straight out of your backside?
 
Cephus said:
Then show that it is a trend. Where are your statistics? Or is this just something you pulled straight out of your backside?
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It is something I observed. I didn't keep statistics on it. It was a warning that we could be not as precise as we should be.
 
Crovax said:
As yes ignoring the facts and playing the race card. Well done, exactly the type of low effort no thought post you are known for.
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You just implied that if we were homogenously white we would have low crime too, and I'm the one being racist? Jesus H. ****ing Christ.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You just implied that if we were homogenously white we would have low crime too, and I'm the one being racist? Jesus H. ****ing Christ.
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That would probably be true for any homogenous setup...just saying. Not like we should have a homogenous setup though.

Edit: Nevermind I read that as lower crime. Our crime rates would still be about the same, at least I would think.
 
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Inalisist said:
It is something I observed. I didn't keep statistics on it. It was a warning that we could be not as precise as we should be.
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Then it's not a trend, it's an opinion.
 
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