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Would you support a rehabilitative incarceration system?

Sohuld American prisons be more like Norway's

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Prisons are big business for Republicans, no way they want to take money from their warden buddies and hand it to liberal social workers

Where is the mother-****ing Christian sentiment when you actually need it? Yes, Jesus had to share his love with criminals too, because criminals are us.
 
I believe America's prison system should utilize abandoned military facilities and offer a 4-8 year boot camp environment with an on site education and jobs training program for all non-violent offenders. I believe violent offenders within 4 years of their release date should be given the option to transfer to that system for the ast 4 years of their sentence. And I believe violent offenders and lifers should be sent to supermax facilities literally out in the middle of nowhere. Or they could just build a triple fenced facility 5-6 hundred miles from everyone, put guards on the 4 corners, digitally tag all the prisoners and then let them run the joint. Air lift in supplies. Let them create their own government, economy, the whole nine yards....no wardens, no floor guards...nothing.
 
Mach said:
Prisons are big business for Republicans, no way they want to take money from their warden buddies and hand it to liberal social workers

Where is the mother-****ing Christian sentiment when you actually need it? Yes, Jesus had to share his love with criminals too, because criminals are us.
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Dood would you check yourself with that ridiculous evil republican bull****? Do you know who in California was the biggest advocate for the private prison systems and who they support traditionally politically? And let me lay this on you...now...brace yourself...this may sting a little bit. You know who else likes money? Democrats. Democrats LOVE money...especially the rich politicians. And you know what they like MORE than money/ Nothing. But a close second is the really like ****ing over mindless leftists and keeping them dependent and voting democrat for their entire miserable existence while pretending to give a **** about them. You know who the biggest example of mindless leftist socialist bull**** hypocrisy is?

This guy...

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Those rat politicians LOVE people like you. You are who gives Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the whole ****ing lot of them job security for life.
 
VanceMack said:
I believe America's prison system should utilize abandoned military facilities and offer a 4-8 year boot camp environment with an on site education and jobs training program for all non-violent offenders. I believe violent offenders within 4 years of their release date should be given the option to transfer to that system for the ast 4 years of their sentence. And I believe violent offenders and lifers should be sent to supermax facilities literally out in the middle of nowhere. Or they could just build a triple fenced facility 5-6 hundred miles from everyone, put guards on the 4 corners, digitally tag all the prisoners and then let them run the joint. Air lift in supplies. Let them create their own government, economy, the whole nine yards....no wardens, no floor guards...nothing.
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wow, I like it
 
_Sal said:
how would the latter (in bold) help either the criminal or society? and how is treating someone via daily torture acceptable?
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I guess it would make prison so bad and so terrible and so hellish that anybody with half a brain would not do anything to dare go back there.
 
haymarket said:
I guess it would make prison so bad and so terrible and so hellish that anybody with half a brain would not do anything to dare go back there.
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well except studies have shown that the harshness of the conditions have never proven to be a deterrent...it doesn't work

fear of punishment only works on a certain segment of the population and those aren't the ones who are likely to offend to begin with

also allowing torture within our prisons lowers our standards as a society in general and that has an overall negative impact on all
 
Beaudreaux said:
How dare you compare me to the KKK.

I didn't say anything about "one race" or "one culture" and I will stop here before I get banned.
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Don't get too upset, that's the lib's go-to when they can't counter an argument.
 
Masterhawk said:
Norway's incarceration system is a little different from the US. Its incarceration system focuses more on rehabilitation and reintegration than on punishment and discipline. Individuals may not be sentenced more than 25 years including murder. This may sound like a recipe for disaster but out of 218 countries, Norway had the 12th lowest homicide rate (0.6) while the US was in 108th place (3.9) with more than six times the murder rate of Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Norway also imprisoned 70 out of 100,000 while the US did 693.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider
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In principle yes. But it needs a careful cost benefit analysis for the specific society, type of criminal and circumstances.
 
My position has always been education and job training. Every prisoner is required to spend 6 hours a day in a classroom getting both a basic education and job training, such that once they get out, they have job skills and a work ethic. If they don't get this, they don't get out, ever. They will also spend 6-8 hours a day working and putting those job skills to work. Not only are they paying society back for their crimes, they are reimbursing society for the cost of incarceration. Again, if they don't do it, they don't get out, ever. People shouldn't be able to skate through their time and get back into society, they need to earn it. We also need to throw in some serious psychological counseling for all convicts. A lot of them need deprogramming from the toxic cultures they grew up in.
 
_Sal said:
well except studies have shown that the harshness of the conditions have never proven to be a deterrent...it doesn't work

fear of punishment only works on a certain segment of the population and those aren't the ones who are likely to offend to begin with

also allowing torture within our prisons lowers our standards as a society in general and that has an overall negative impact on all
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Fear of punishment might be weirdly counterproductive. I'm too lazy to look into it right now but I wouldn't be surprised if the areas in the US with the highest murder rates are in capital-punishment states.
 
Grand Mal said:
Fear of punishment might be weirdly counterproductive. I'm too lazy to look into it right now but I wouldn't be surprised if the areas in the US with the highest murder rates are in capital-punishment states.
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Unfortunately, capital punishment is so badly implemented that it doesn't work as a deterrent at all. When it takes you 20+ years to be executed, why would that scare someone who could be gunned down in the streets at any moment?
 
Grand Mal said:
Fear of punishment might be weirdly counterproductive. I'm too lazy to look into it right now but I wouldn't be surprised if the areas in the US with the highest murder rates are in capital-punishment states.
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I believe you are actually correct as the first state that popped into my mind was Texas

also of note is the fact that recidivism drops exponentially with employment
 
Cephus said:
Unfortunately, capital punishment is so badly implemented that it doesn't work as a deterrent at all. When it takes you 20+ years to be executed, why would that scare someone who could be gunned down in the streets at any moment?
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It's not a deterrent at all, never was. Back before they had prison sentences a crowd would gather once a month or whatever to watch the public amputations and execution of criminals and pickpockets would work the crowd.
It's revenge, which has a different kind of value, and a final closure for the victims, which has value, but it's not a deterrent.
I actually don't think there's any deterrent in the whole judicial system, not for serious crime anyway. Someone who wouldn't run a stop sign for fear of getting ticketed will still hold up a gas station at gun point. In fact, if the fear of prison is all that's stopping someone from crime, it's just a matter of time...
 
Masterhawk said:
Norway's incarceration system is a little different from the US. Its incarceration system focuses more on rehabilitation and reintegration than on punishment and discipline. Individuals may not be sentenced more than 25 years including murder. This may sound like a recipe for disaster but out of 218 countries, Norway had the 12th lowest homicide rate (0.6) while the US was in 108th place (3.9) with more than six times the murder rate of Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Norway also imprisoned 70 out of 100,000 while the US did 693.

Why Norway's prison system is so successful - Business Insider
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There are many prisoners that should NEVER see the light of day !! The most evil of the evil can NOT be rehabilitated any attempt would prove futile !
 
SCitizen said:
I would support it 100%! USA has the highest incarceration rate in the World.
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That's because the US has a revolving door criminal justice system that gives early offenders far too many second chances. if we had truth in sentencing laws, we would not have such a problem.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, I would support it.

The 25 year maximum gives me pause. But after that long you really aren't even punishing the same person who commited the crime, so maybe it isn't as wild an idea as it sounds.
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Right...murderers should not get 25 years. they should get the death penalty.
 
Grand Mal said:
It's not a deterrent at all, never was. Back before they had prison sentences a crowd would gather once a month or whatever to watch the public amputations and execution of criminals and pickpockets would work the crowd.
It's revenge, which has a different kind of value, and a final closure for the victims, which has value, but it's not a deterrent.
I actually don't think there's any deterrent in the whole judicial system, not for serious crime anyway. Someone who wouldn't run a stop sign for fear of getting ticketed will still hold up a gas station at gun point. In fact, if the fear of prison is all that's stopping someone from crime, it's just a matter of time...
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It isn't revenge, it's taking these criminal scum out of society forever. There are some crimes for which the criminal can never be rehabilitated and can never be released. Put a bullet in their skull and be done with it.
 
Cephus said:
It isn't revenge, it's taking these criminal scum out of society forever. There are some crimes for which the criminal can never be rehabilitated and can never be released. Put a bullet in their skull and be done with it.
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Sure, whatever. It might not be a deterrent but it's definitely a cure for recidivism.
Me, I oppose the death penalty because of my deep, lifelong, cherished-and-nourished distrust of authority in all it's incarnations. I don't trust the government to pick up trash or mow lawns in parks without graft, corruption and screw-ups. I sure as hell don't support giving that clusterfvck of clowns the power to execute citizens.
 
The people for death penalty in this thread just want revenge. That is the point of view they are operating from. They have conflicts of interest.
 
Grand Mal said:
Sure, whatever. It might not be a deterrent but it's definitely a cure for recidivism.
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No one who is executed ever commits another crime. Works for me.

Me, I oppose the death penalty because of my deep, lifelong, cherished-and-nourished distrust of authority in all it's incarnations. I don't trust the government to pick up trash or mow lawns in parks without graft, corruption and screw-ups. I sure as hell don't support giving that clusterfvck of clowns the power to execute citizens.
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It's a crybaby whiny liberal thing. We know.
 
Inalisist said:
The people for death penalty in this thread just want revenge. That is the point of view they are operating from. They have conflicts of interest.
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Wrong. Try again.
 
Inalisist said:
The people for death penalty in this thread just want revenge. That is the point of view they are operating from. They have conflicts of interest.
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No....we just want to protect the people on the planet who respect human life. I have never known an executed killer to repeat his crime afterwards.
 
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