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Is being Transgender a mental disorder?

Is being Transgender a mental disorder?

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CaptainCourtesy said:
This is similar to what we saw regarding homosexuality in the past. It wasn't that more people were suddenly gay. It was that more people who were gay felt safe admitting it.
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Couldn't agree more CC. I think that at least in modern enlightened liberal democracies we have seen a shift in attitudes towards gay people and I think that that is incredible progress to make in a few generations. Much, much more needs to happen but, in my living memory I have seen society move such that my kids were totally indifferent when friends of theirs came out. It just was not an issue for them.

At the moment, I see transgender and transsexuality as being the fatties of sex and gender. In comedy it is still seen as quite acceptable to laugh at the fatties but much has changed and will change.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I've actually seen this quite a few times. Another reason why it is important to wait with any transition medical initiatives.
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yeah but would anyone, even a kid, actually plead for hormones or a sex change unless they were absolutely certain?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
~ It was that more people who were gay felt safe admitting it.
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Well, if the one thing I have provided is a safe environment for so many to have "come out" during or after my course then I can feel a lot better about some of my struggles with students over the years.

Nice to know so many still keep in contact and come back to talk to current students about their lives and dealings in the world of the Arts after studying.
 
chromium said:
yeah but would anyone, even a kid, actually plead for hormones or a sex change unless they were absolutely certain?
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Kids, in and of themselves, can't be absolutely certain due to the biological changes that are going on inside them, developmentally.
 
Oh Gordon Bennett...is this thread still a thing?

It is IMPOSSIBLE to know the mental state of every, single transgender person. Some are probably transgender due to an 'emotional confusion'...but clearly not all them.

The idea that to be transgender means one MUST have a mental disorder is dinosaur talk and flat out ridiculous.

One would have to be galactically ignorant to assume that every, single human being on the planet wants to be the sex they were born with.

There are millions and millions of children born every year with 'genetic mistakes'...some large, some very small.

Is it really beyond the intellectual capacity of those who voted 'yes' in this thread that at least some people are born with 'the wrong sex'?
They were emotionally meant to be a male (say) but due to a genetic mixup, they were physically born a female?

Until you people can prove with a 100% certainty that the above is not possible...you have NO WAY of knowing for certain that transgenders have a 'mental disorder' and are not the result of a genetic 'mixup' at conception.

But no, dinosaur-types just love to throw labels on things they do not understand. Instead of assuming transgenders are just different until they have factual evidence to the contrary...they have to label these people as having a 'mental disorder'.

Please, you dinosaurs...go back to the 50's where you belong.
 
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DA60 said:
There are millions and millions of children born every year with 'genetic mistakes'...some large, some very small.

They were emotionally meant to be a male (say) but due to a genetic mixup, they were physically born a female?

Until you people can prove with a 100% certainty that the above is not possible...you have NO WAY of knowing for certain that transgenders have a 'mental disorder' and are not the result of a genetic 'mixup' at conception.
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While we seem to be on the overall same side of the argument, I feel it is important to note that transgenderism might no be, or might not solely be, a genetic based occurrence at all. There are the hormonal floods, or lack thereof, that CC has mentioned time and again as a possible source. Not a genetic mixup there. Or being a chimera, as I have often brought up as a possibility. While yes we are talking about two competing sets of genetics, it is not genetic mixups that are the source. There well could be other sources.

Regardless of the reason, that doesn't change how we should treat such people, both in the medical sense as well as the social sense. Now I do believe that we should continue to look for way some to change the mind to match the body is a safe manner, so that the individual has choices on how to solve their disphoria. But we need to stop treating this as if there is onlyone source and only one solution.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Wow... so you don't understand the debate tactic of comparisons or analogies. That isn't really surprising.

You used the term. It would be nice to see if you can use it consistently. Let's see if you are not too much of a cowardly debater to answer my question.
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Wow. You are responding with a stupid reply. Figures.

There is no comparison here.
 
Peter King said:
Because paranoid schizophrenia is an illness people need to be treated for, it is not their genuine self, it is a disorder that prevents them from being their genuine self.

Which is completely the opposite thing from what transgenderism is.
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This is dripping with so much irony it hurts. A transgender person literally has a disorder preventing them from being their genuine self. Their genuine self is their birth sex. Their brain thinks something else.
 
ajn678 said:
This is dripping with so much irony it hurts. A transgender person literally has a disorder preventing them from being their genuine self. Their genuine self is their birth sex. Their brain thinks something else.
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They don't hear voices, see things that are not there, or act out violently like a Right Winger bombing an abortion clinic. What they do have, however, is complete dissatisfaction with their biological sex. And, that is not currently defined as a mental illness.
 
calamity said:
They don't hear voices, see things that are not there, or act out violently like a Right Winger bombing an abortion clinic. What they do have, however, is complete dissatisfaction with their biological sex. And, that is not currently defined as a mental illness.
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Didn't say that it was the same as schizophrenia. Just that is entirely an issue with an inability to accept your genuine self with the perceived self. The post was factually incorrect.
 
ajn678 said:
Didn't say that it was the same as schizophrenia. Just that is entirely an issue with an inability to accept your genuine self with the perceived self. The post was factually incorrect.
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Not if their "self" is actually the opposite sex of their biological body from the neck down.
 
ajn678 said:
This is dripping with so much irony it hurts. A transgender person literally has a disorder preventing them from being their genuine self. Their genuine self is their birth sex. Their brain thinks something else.
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That is nonsense, there is no disorder being your real self. Their genuine sex is not determined by their birth but by their real and genuine self.
 
Peter King said:
That is nonsense, there is no disorder being your real self. Their genuine sex is not determined by their birth but by their real and genuine self.
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The person's genuine self is at odds with that the person feels internally. The genuine self is not the opposite gender. It is the sex they were born into.
 
ajn678 said:
This is dripping with so much irony it hurts. A transgender person literally has a disorder preventing them from being their genuine self. Their genuine self is their birth sex. Their brain thinks something else.
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What defines that genuine self, that birth sex?

Edit: realizing that is not coming out clear. What is it that define the birth sex?
 
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Peter King said:
That is nonsense, there is no disorder being your real self. Their genuine sex is not determined by their birth but by their real and genuine self.
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Actually, the way the language is evolving, sex refers to the physical, while gender refers to the mental identity. So their genuine sex is indeed determine by their birth...in most cases.
 
calamity said:
Not a mental disorder--at least not by the technical definition of mental disorders--but rather a brain-body incongruity. For one reason or another, the brain does not agree with the body. Why? Who knows?
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You do realize if the issue is within the brain it is a mental disorder right? WHO considered Transgender a mental disorder.
 
Redress said:
Why are you so upset about something that others do that does not affect you in any way? It is almost as if your issues are the problem, not other people...
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Not that I care, I know a few transgenders and I think its funny how the left assumes how they feel or what affects them. Social Constructs on how we view cross dressers and so forth needs to change.. but if you are that ****ed in the head that you are a cross dresser and feel you need to piss in the girls or boys bathroom.. there is something else going on.
 
I voted yes, because, if a person was confused about any other unchangeable aspect of who they are, we'd call them mentally ill. Examples:

Rachael Dolezal trying to change her race.
Numerous white people who pretend to be Native American.
Hillary Clinton pretending to be human.
 
austrianecon said:
You do realize if the issue is within the brain it is a mental disorder right? WHO considered Transgender a mental disorder.
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Not if their brain is fine but their bodies are misaligned.
 
Bucky said:
I think this is a worthwhile debate. Is being transgender a mental disorder? Statistics show that 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. Now some may claim this high percentage is due to the transgendered being discriminated/bullied against. I am not quite sure about that.

If you look at other historically disenfranchised groups, suicide rates are quite low.

Gender dysphoria by definition is psychiatry. If someone came to you and said they were a dog you would probably assume they have some sort of mental illness. Gender by definition is biological and not something you can naturally change in humans.

Also - if you believe being Transgender is a mental disorder, this is not an attack against these people. They deserve protection and in no way should be bullied. However the protection they deserve is the same as someone that is anorexic. The protection they deserve shouldn't be political.
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There's nothing to debate, the facts and authority on the matter say it's not.:shrug:
It's funny how many people clearly don't even understand what transgenderism is. The examples of "what if a person thought they were a dog, are the dumbest things I read about people who have issues with transgenderism. Transgenderism has nothign to do with that HAHAHAHAHA.
 
Bucky said:
I think this is a worthwhile debate. Is being transgender a mental disorder? Statistics show that 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. Now some may claim this high percentage is due to the transgendered being discriminated/bullied against. I am not quite sure about that.

If you look at other historically disenfranchised groups, suicide rates are quite low.

Gender dysphoria by definition is psychiatry. If someone came to you and said they were a dog you would probably assume they have some sort of mental illness. Gender by definition is biological and not something you can naturally change in humans.

Also - if you believe being Transgender is a mental disorder, this is not an attack against these people. They deserve protection and in no way should be bullied. However the protection they deserve is the same as someone that is anorexic. The protection they deserve shouldn't be political.
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I don't know. As long as the person is happy and not hurting anyone, why should I care? I don't go around asking people if they are gay or straight, lol. So why would I care what gender they were originally if applicable?

Now I do draw the line at this more than 2 genders nonsense. That is just PC bull unless you are a hermaphrodite.

So again don't know and would not care either way. But don't step to me with that "it's a social construct" or that "Androgyne" bull.
 
LaylaWindu said:
There's nothing to debate, the facts and authority on the matter say it's not.:shrug:
It's funny how many people clearly don't even understand what transgenderism is. The examples of "what if a person thought they were a dog, are the dumbest things I read about people who have issues with transgenderism. Transgenderism has nothign to do with that HAHAHAHAHA.
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Scientifically speaking there 2 primary possible gender types for a human being. 2 genders being the primary outcome of correct chromosome combination either a xx or xy the human female being homogametic and the male being heterogametic. While there such things as hermaphrodites and xx males and xy females and other chromosomal miss combinations, anything NOT xx or xy is not normative. Psychologically speaking any person with a normal xx or xy chromosomal expression that expresses a wish to be the opposite sex with such tenacity to wish to mutilate themselves into said sex, most likely has a psychological disorder. As to if transgender, and or gay people tend to have normal expressing chromosomes I do not know. It would probably be interesting find out. Anywho the way I see it, the chromosomes are functioning correctly for gay and transgendered then they suffering from some sort of psychosis, otherwise it is a function of chromosomal mutation.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Scientifically speaking there 2 primary possible gender types for a human being. 2 genders being the primary outcome of correct chromosome combination either a xx or xy the human female being homogametic and the male being heterogametic. While there such things as hermaphrodites and xx males and xy females and other chromosomal miss combinations, anything NOT xx or xy is not normative. Psychologically speaking any person with a normal xx or xy chromosomal expression that expresses a wish to be the opposite sex with such tenacity to wish to mutilate themselves into said sex, most likely has a psychological disorder. As to if transgender, and or gay people tend to have normal expressing chromosomes I do not know. It would probably be interesting find out. Anywho the way I see it, the chromosomes are functioning correctly for gay and transgendered then they suffering from some sort of psychosis, otherwise it is a function of chromosomal mutation.
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Again, there's nothing to debate. I'll be sticking with the facts and authorities on the matter that say otherwise. You are free to feel otherwise and have any opinion you choose but it won't be impacting me in any way, I'll be sticking with facts.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Again, there's nothing to debate. I'll be sticking with the facts and authorities on the matter that say otherwise. You are free to feel otherwise and have any opinion you choose but it won't be impacting me in any way, I'll be sticking with facts.
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Funny I just expressed what the main psychiatrist in Canada just recently expressed. I go by real hardcore repeatable demonstrable science. Natural science without surveys. The kind you can whip out the microscope and observe.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Funny I just expressed what the main psychiatrist in Canada just recently expressed. I go by real hardcore repeatable demonstrable science. Natural science without surveys. The kind you can whip out the microscope and observe.
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A psychiatrist in canada uh, wow you are right, that is funny HAHAHA. There's no hardcore repeatable science that you stated that makes transgender or homosexuality a mental disorder, none. It's funny that you believe you presented such. Physical Gender = chromosomes is not equal to homosexuality being a mental disorder. That's like the equivalent of saying, scientifically speaking the earth revolves around the sun, there for the sun must be the center of the universe. It's simply wrong and there's no "real hardcore repeatable demonstrable science" to connect the dots and get you there. I'll let the APA know that a psychiatrist in canada and you say they are wrong. :lamo
 
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