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Do you Support Right to Repair?

Do you Support Right to Repair?

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Carjosse

Carjosse

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DO you support right to repair legislation that many states are now considering. You can read an article from Vice here.
The bills would require manufacturers to sell replacement parts to consumers and independent repair companies and would also require them to open source diagnostic manuals. It would also give independent repair professionals the ability to bypass software locks that prevent repairs, allowing them to return a gadget back to its factory settings.
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The states considering this are:
They are: Minnesota, Nebraska, Tennessee, New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, Kansas, Wyoming, Iowa, Missouri, and North Carolina however they are considered dead in Minnesota, Nebraska, and Tennessee however.

I think this a great step forward for consumer rights. You should be able to repair the devices you pay for.
 
No. Selling replacement products is an entirely different service and like always people are not your slaves and their labor is not your property.
 
Repairing products can be difficult, expensive, and done by others. I see no need for this.
 
So... China and YouTube aren't available or what?
 
phattonez said:
Repairing products can be difficult, expensive, and done by others. I see no need for this.
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All the more reason to allow people to do allow specialist shops and individuals to do it.
 
No. Short of safety measures, companies shouldn't be required to produce and sell products they don't want to.
 
Hatuey said:
So... China and YouTube aren't available or what?
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Not really, those parts would be illegal and inferior. YouTube does not really work when you are dealing with complex electronics, with connections on a microscopic level.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
No. Short of safety measures, companies shouldn't be required to produce and sell products they don't want to.
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Should they not at the very least allow people to work on their phones without software bricking the phone?
 
I like the idea, but if in effect its forcing manufacturers to do or offer things like replacement parts that wasn't in their business model... **** that.

I want the companies to not harass people who repair their products, I don't want companies to be forced to make doing so easier.

Carjosse said:
Should they not at the very least allow people to work on their phones without software bricking the phone?
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Depends on whether or not that "software" is the encryption I'm depending on. I do not want insecure devices.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
I like the idea, but if in effect its forcing manufacturers to do or offer things like replacement parts that wasn't in their business model... **** that.

I want the companies to not harass people who repair their products, I don't want companies to be forced to make doing so easier.
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They already have to distribute parts, they should be available to anyone.
 
Carjosse said:
They already have to distribute parts, they should be available to anyone.
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If they already do, then how aren't they available? At wholesale prices?

Also, which parts? I don't imagine Apple wants to allow people to be able to solder together their own iPhone at cost.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
If they already do, then how aren't they available?
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They only allow their own stores and certain endorsed repair shops. You can buy parts for a Samsung washer, why should you not be bale to buy parts for a Samsung phone? They like having a monopoly on repairs so they can charge for it.
 
Carjosse said:
Not really, those parts would be illegal and inferior. YouTube does not really work when you are dealing with complex electronics, with connections on a microscopic level.
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... Uh, I order parts for my electronics from China through Wish practically ALL THE TIME. It's not the best quality, but no - it's not crap. Are you sure?
 
Carjosse said:
They only allow their own stores and certain endorsed repair shops. You can buy parts for a Samsung washer, why should you not be bale to buy parts for a Samsung phone?
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Because it might not be in Samsung's interest to invest in the logistics to make parts, at cost, available to just anyone. Or to ship them to people they do not trust. Why do you think you have a right to buy any part of a Samsung phone? Should Samsung warantee the parts, regardless of your ability to solder?
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Because it might not be in Samsung's interest to invest in the logistics to make parts, at cost, available to just anyone. Why do you think you have a right to buy any part of a Samsung phone?
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No one is saying they have to do it at wholesale, just make them available. They already do with their other products and the product itself. I have a right to repair my own phone because I bought it and until Samsung ceases support for it I should be bale to gets the parts to do just that.
 
Carjosse said:
Should they not at the very least allow people to work on their phones without software bricking the phone?
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I don't think there should be a legal requirement to that effect, as long as there is a clear warning label.

If there were only one company out there making cell phones you might have a point. But that isn't the case. Don't like Apple's terms of service then buy from someone else.
 
Hatuey said:
... Uh, I order parts for my electronics from China through Wish practically ALL THE TIME. It's not the best quality, but no - it's not crap. Are you sure?
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They are not usually not legal parts, and some of them can be quite ****. Also another part of the bill is disabling the software check that would brick your device if you install a part that Apple is quite fond of.
 
Carjosse said:
They only allow their own stores and certain endorsed repair shops. You can buy parts for a Samsung washer, why should you not be bale to buy parts for a Samsung phone? They like having a monopoly on repairs so they can charge for it.
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So? it's their product, so exactly what is wrong with them having a monopoly on being able to fix it?
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don't think there should be a legal requirement to that effect, as long as there is a clear warning label.

If there were only one company out there making cell phones you might have a point. But that isn't the case. Don't like Apple's terms of service then buy from someone else.
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Terms and conditions are made unenforceable all the time just like the case of warranty void if removed stickers, it was ruled non-enforceable because I own the product, I should be bale to do whatever the **** I want with it.
 
Carjosse said:
No one is saying they have to do it at wholesale, just make them available. They already do with their other products and the product itself. I have a right to repair my own phone because I bought it and until Samsung ceases support for it I should be bale to gets the parts to do just that.
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You have a right to attempt to reapir your own property, not to get the prior owner to sell you more stuff to repair it.
 
Henrin said:
So? it's their product, so exactly what is wrong with them having a monopoly on being able to fix it?
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It is anti-consumer and goes against the idea that if you buy a product, you own it. It is their job to support it as long as they do.
 
Carjosse said:
They are not usually not legal parts, and some of them can be quite ****. Also another part of the bill is disabling the software check that would brick your device if you install a part that Apple is quite fond of.
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But how does this justify telling people that they need to make extra parts for their products?
 
Carjosse said:
It is anti-consumer and goes against the idea that if you buy a product, you own it. It is their job to support it as long as they do.
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Not being able to repair a product has no effect on your property ownership of the product.
 
Carjosse said:
Terms and conditions are made unenforceable all the time just like the case of warranty void if removed stickers, it was ruled non-enforceable because I own the product, I should be bale to do whatever the **** I want with it.
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You should be able to do whatever you want with it, but the manufacturer shouldn't be forced by law to help you.
 
I would think this is more in regards to manufacturers who will only supply parts lists and manuals to authorized repair facilities. This is common with food service, medical equipment and other manufacturers. It has become less of an issue as people have posted these items online. But still, if you buy X from Y, why should Y be able to deny you a parts list for X?
We can fix this as buyers, if we only buy from vendors who will provide parts lists, then eventually all vendors will provide parts lists.
 
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