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Apologies. Political apologies.

Do you accept political apologies?

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Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
 
radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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Apologizing is the right thing to do only if one believes that they did wrong. The more pressure was placed to get the apology the less it is worth.
 
Depends if I think they are sincere or not.
 
If they are sincere, then I accept it. For example, I accept Spicer's apology for his poor choice of words because I think he is sincere, and I don't think his poor choice of words reflect how he really feels.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If they are sincere, then I accept it. For example, I accept Spicer's apology for his poor choice of words because I think he is sincere, and I don't think his poor choice of words reflect how he really feels.
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In this case I feel that Spicer was sincere, too. I am good with this apology. As another said in another thread, I believed he panicked when called on it, and just dug his hole deeper.

That being said, overall, he's still ill-equipped for his job, and routinely says some pretty dumb stuff.
 
radcen said:
In this case I feel that Spicer was sincere, too. I am good with this apology. As another said in another thread, I believed he panicked when called on it, and just dug his hole deeper.

That being said, overall, he's still ill-equipped for his job, and routinely says some pretty dumb stuff.
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Who would not be ill-equipped to be Trump's press secretary?
 
I think Spicer was being sincere so I'm good with his apology. He should probably look for a new job because his current one is one that he doesn't seem suited for but I don't think he's a bad guy.
 
DA60 said:
Depends if I think they are sincere or not.
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The OP asked about Politician apologies, by nature they are insincere.
 
Rexedgar said:
The OP asked about Politician apologies, by nature they are insincere.
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Actually, the OP asks about 'political', not specifically from 'politicians' - who, I agree, are insecure by nature.

But this is obviously in regards to Sean Spicer apologizing for his Hitler remarks and he is not a politician.

Just some paid loser who works for one.


And yes, I think anyone who works for 95+% of politicians are paid losers because the people they work for make America worse - not better. So they are helping make America slightly worse. Thus - they are losers, imo.
 
Gaius46 said:
I think Spicer was being sincere so I'm good with his apology. He should probably look for a new job because his current one is one that he doesn't seem suited for but I don't think he's a bad guy.
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You can only lie so much.....and with Trump its a daily occurrence...oh um....I mean you can only "alternate fact" so many times. I'm not sure anyone is suited for it..... Kellylanne Conjob has already screwed up several times as well.
 
Do I accept that they apologized? Sure. Does it mean anything? Most of the time no. The vast majority of the time, they're not apologizing because they're sorry they said it, they're just sorry they got caught and look bad for saying it.
 
An apology is only as good as future behavior.

That goes with politics and real life.

I am sorry until I do it again then I will be sorry again.
 
DA60 said:
Actually, the OP asks about 'political', not specifically from 'politicians' - who, I agree, are insecure by nature.

But this is obviously in regards to Sean Spicer apologizing for his Hitler remarks and he is not a politician.

Just some paid loser who works for one.


And yes, I think anyone who works for 95+% of politicians are paid losers because the people they work for make America worse - not better. So they are helping make America slightly worse. Thus - they are losers, imo.
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I misread the OP as to politician/political apologies, but where would 'political apologies' come from, other than politicians. Also sorry for using upper case 'p' in politician.
 
radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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I don't really understand why people are flipping out over his statement so much. It was a very dumb way to word it but his only point was in an attempt to highlight how bad the Assad regime is and not meant as any kind of greater commentary on anything else.

Back to the OP, most of the time I don't accept it because I'm cynical and think it's mostly BS and most of the time the people demanding the apology are being ridiculous, and everyone knows it, but they just keep playing along for political gain.
 
Since we are referencing Sean Spicer, an observation. I watched his very first press briefing and boy, was it awkward. I stated that I felt 'he's not going to last long'. Give the devil his due, he has improved dramatically. Anyone catch the recent briefing where he was handed what seemed to be a correction to one of his earlier statements in the same briefing? I'm not a fan of DJT, but it must be hard to come out and perform that 'tap dance' every day or so.
 
radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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It comes down to how long it took to wring the apology out of the person as well as whether the person is apologizing for the act rather than apologizing for somebody else taking offense.

Spicer apologized instantaneously and took full responsibility for his words. His apology was genuine in every sense of the word. Anybody looking for his head on this matter need to graciously accept the apology and dial it down.
 
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radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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I say no.To me political apologies are no different than apologies from criminals during their sentencing phase of their trials. They are "I'm only sorry because I got caught" apologies. Like criminals politicians wouldn't be apologizing for their misdeeds if they were not caught. So their apologies are fake.
 
jamesrage said:
I say no.To me political apologies are no different than apologies from criminals during their sentencing phase of their trials. They are "I'm only sorry because I got caught" apologies. Like criminals politicians wouldn't be apologizing for their misdeeds if they were not caught. So their apologies are fake.
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Did you watch the video of Spicer making the comment?
 
radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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Does it make a difference? Probably not as you stated. Those of the opposite party and who oppose the candidate or in this case the spokesman will always be against him. Those for have forgiven him before he said or did something. Party affiliation triumphs one way or the other. But the media always expect an apology. Once again outside of the expectation being fulfilled, it means nothing to them.

When it comes to political apologies, they run off my back like water on a duck's back. What was done is either no big thing or too big for an apology. What Spicer said falls into the no big thing category for me. I thought it was ridicules and asinine, but hey, he's Trump's spokesman. I expect the ridicules, the asinine and outrageous from both of them. They have shown that all during the primaries and general election. When it comes to politics, common sense went out the window many eons ago.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If they are sincere, then I accept it. For example, I accept Spicer's apology for his poor choice of words because I think he is sincere, and I don't think his poor choice of words reflect how he really feels.
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Exactly how I feel. Spicer was sincere, and he isn't a Holocaust denier. He made a poor - no, terrible - choice of words. But he was very obviously contrite and deserves to have his apology accepted.
 
They always find a way to shove in some backhanded self compliment or whiny excuse. For instance, i got a letter from congressman because i was one of the thousands who called after he said he'd support the (non) health care. It's just full of revisionist and inaccurate bs. Most insultingly to my intelligence, they try to pretend like they couldn't have seen this coming and weren't trying to fool us all along

The main universal problem with political apologies is they're politicians. Their job by nature is to lie. So how can i take it as any sincerity? How can i take anything they say at all with sincerity?

But it doesn't matter regardless. I don't care what they think or how they feel. Their position exists to serve the people and someone else can occupy it easily. I care about actions only
 
If they are heartfelt like the ones from Sean Spicer on the holocaust kerfuffle then yes, I accept his apology no problem.
 
radcen said:
Apologies. Political apologies. Do you accept political apologies?

We've all seen this scenario. Some public figure says and/or does something idiotic, and people get all unhinged and demand an apology. Sean "Baghdad Bob Jr" Spicer's recent comments regarding Assad/Hitler and gassing being a good example, though there are countless examples throughout history. (You see the same thing in murder trials, too, btw.)

Why do people in these scenarios bother to apologize? It virtually never helps.

Person says/does something idiotic ---> people and special interest groups demand an apology --> person gives an apology ---> people and special interest groups dismiss apology, saying things like, "Too little, too late.", "They're only saying it to get people off their back.", "They're only sorry they got called on it.", "It's not enough.", and so on.

Geez, people, if you're not going to accept it, why demand it?

A good intentioned person still apologizes because it's the right thing to do, but at times I can almost sympathize with the person who refuses to apologize. Why bother?
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I accept they made the apology.

I prefer a semi-contrite apology over a lie every day.
 
If I ever came across one that was sincere...
 
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