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Was there Russian interference in the US Pres election to help Trump?

Was there Russian interference in the US Pres election to help Trump?

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MaggieD said:
Thanks. I did some Googling, and find all kinds of information about Gucifer 2.0 in mid-June 2016 and his (their) connection to Russia...perhaps. And yet no outrage.No investigations. No accusations. Until Trump won. Does anyone else see this is disingenuous?
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Because the administration did not want to interfere with the election
 
Moot said:
Gudifer 2.0 was the Russian hacker that hacked the DNC.
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Thing is, Moot, they don't know WHO is behind Gucifer 2.0 by everything I read. He claims to be Romanian like the Gucifer psently in jail in the states. But there's sure nothing saying THAT'S true...
 
Slyfox696 said:
Yes, I don't think anyone who is not blindly loyal politically believes otherwise. Whether or not that assistance was solicited from the Trump campaign is the question which needs to be answered. Certainly there are numerous pieces of evidence to warrant investigation, but whether those pieces are coincidental or not has yet to be proven.

EDIT: To be clear, when I say there was Russian interference, I'm referring to their attempt to influence. I'm not stating they hacked voting booths or anything like that.
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The OP asked if their was Russian influence, not if there was 'attempted' Russian influence.
 
MaggieD said:
Thanks. I did some Googling, and find all kinds of information about Gucifer 2.0 in mid-June 2016 and his (their) connection to Russia...perhaps. And yet no outrage.No investigations. No accusations. Until Trump won. Does anyone else see this is disingenuous?
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No...all we see is how clueless you are about current events.
 
MaggieD said:
Ya' know, I have yet to read one thing that tells us what this supposed interference was. You got somethin'? Otherwise, you might reconsider what you're describing as dumb.
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Watch the Senate Intelligence hearings and see if you still feel that way. I hate to agree with Dick Cheney, but this was an act of war.

Hacking and releasing emails was only a small part of the effort. Simply put, the Russians have used highly sophisticated techniques to effectively brainwash politically influential portions of the US population. They targeted more than just Trump supporters too. They've used psy-ops to push Bernie Sanders and Occupy Wall Street. They do this by circulating lots of conspiratorial stories with local social media using bots, fake accounts, honey pots, etc.. The goal isn't to convince you that the stories they push are true, the goal is to make you distrust the reputable news sources that don't cover these conspiracies.

As an aside.. creating a conspiracy to push conspiracy theories to achieve a political aim is kind of brilliant.
 
Moot said:
No...all we see is how clueless you are about current events.
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Go insult someone else. Just because you don't have clear answers, doesn't mean I'm clueless. I'm trying to learn. You???
 
Mithros said:
Watch the Senate Intelligence hearings and see if you still feel that way. I hate to agree with Dick Cheney, but this was an act of war.

Hacking and releasing emails was only a small part of the effort. Simply put, the Russians have used highly sophisticated techniques to effectively brainwash politically influential portions of the US population. They targeted more than just Trump supporters too. They've used psy-ops to push Bernie Sanders and Occupy Wall Street. They do this by circulating lots of conspiratorial stories with local social media using bots, fake accounts, honey pots, etc.. The goal isn't to convince you that the stories they push are true, the goal is to make you distrust the reputable news sources that don't cover these conspiracies.

As an aside.. creating a conspiracy to push conspiracy theories to achieve a political aim is kind of brilliant.
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You have got to be kidding. Wrong forum.
 
SocialD said:
The OP asked if their was Russian influence, not if there was 'attempted' Russian influence.
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There's no doubt there was Russian influence...but whether or not it effected the outcome of the election isn't known...yet.
 
MaggieD said:
Thing is, Moot, they don't know WHO is behind Gucifer 2.0 by everything I read. He claims to be Romanian like the Gucifer psently in jail in the states. But there's sure nothing saying THAT'S true...
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Guccifer 2.0 claims to be Romanian, but that claim doesn't hold up very well. He claims to not speak or write Russian, but was identified as using a Russian-language only VPN, and when pressed to speak Romanian it seemed more like he was using an online translator than was a native speaker.

Numerous Cybersecurity experts have linked Guccifer 2.0 with the Russian government. While I don't believe that Russia is directly responsible for the outcome of the election, I do find it surprising how many people are reluctant to believe that Russia would do something like this. It's par on the course for them.
 
MaggieD said:
Go insult someone else. Just because you don't have clear answers, doesn't mean I'm clueless. I'm trying to learn. You???
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You insult yourself with your "disingenious" ignorance.
 
MaggieD said:
Thanks. I did some Googling, and find all kinds of information about Gucifer 2.0 in mid-June 2016 and his (their) connection to Russia...perhaps. And yet no outrage.No investigations. No accusations. Until Trump won. Does anyone else see this is disingenuous?
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Imagine if you're investigating this pre-election. It was very clear that Trump was willing to parrot the news the Russian intelligence was pushing, but you don't know how far the coordination goes. The goal of the Russians was to undermine the election. It looks serious, but you assume like everyone else that Hillary is going to win. So as an investigator, your biggest fear isn't that the Russians influence the elections. Your biggest fear is that post election the Russian media can make it look like the US government was leaning on the political scales against Trump.
 
MaggieD said:
Thanks. I did some Googling, and find all kinds of information about Gucifer 2.0 in mid-June 2016 and his (their) connection to Russia...perhaps. And yet no outrage.No investigations. No accusations. Until Trump won. Does anyone else see this is disingenuous?
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The connections to Russia are all speculative though. they don't know who guccifer 2.0 is. and he claims to be Romanian like guccifer 1.0. the DNC kept denying any hacks occurred yet keep claiming there was hacks to influence the election.
Several write ups I have read said it didn't meet the MO of politically motivated hacks as with a such politically motivated hacks they release info as soon as they get it which didn't happen.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Yes, I don't think anyone who is not blindly loyal politically believes otherwise. Whether or not that assistance was solicited from the Trump campaign is the question which needs to be answered. Certainly there are numerous pieces of evidence to warrant investigation, but whether those pieces are coincidental or not has yet to be proven.

EDIT: To be clear, when I say there was Russian interference, I'm referring to their attempt to influence. I'm not stating they hacked voting booths or anything like that.
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This accurately describes my standing. I selected other for clarity.
 
MaggieD said:
You have got to be kidding. Wrong forum.
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So you don't want to bother reading how Russia actually interfered with the election?

Good to know. FYI, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that this why you haven't "read" anything that indicates the Russians interfered.
 
Moot said:
There's no doubt there was Russian influence...but whether or not it effected the outcome of the election isn't known...yet.
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There seems to be quite a bit of doubt actually or these conversations wouldn't be happening.
 
MaggieD said:
Thing is, Moot, they don't know WHO is behind Gucifer 2.0 by everything I read. He claims to be Romanian like the Gucifer psently in jail in the states. But there's sure nothing saying THAT'S true...
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Actually, they do know who is behind Gucifer 2.0...and it's not even debatable anymore, Maggie.

There were two Gucifers...one is Gucifer the Romanian who is in jail...and the other is Gucifer 2.0 who is a Russian. I hope that helps to alleviate some your confusion.
 
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SocialD said:
There seems to be quite a bit of doubt actually or these conversations wouldn't be happening.
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There's no doubt the Russians tried to influence the election in Trumps favor....none...at least not by the sixteen intel agencies. But what they don't know is whether or not the Russians efforts were the reason that Trump won the election.
 
Moot said:
There's no doubt the Russians tried to influence the election in Trumps favor....none...at least not by the sixteen intel agencies. But what they don't know is whether or not the Russians efforts were the reason that Trump won the election.
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It all boils down to the three blue states that Trump won. Nothing else really factors in.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Guccifer 2.0 claims to be Romanian, but that claim doesn't hold up very well. He claims to not speak or write Russian, but was identified as using a Russian-language only VPN, and when pressed to speak Romanian it seemed more like he was using an online translator than was a native speaker.

Numerous Cybersecurity experts have linked Guccifer 2.0 with the Russian government. While I don't believe that Russia is directly responsible for the outcome of the election, I do find it surprising how many people are reluctant to believe that Russia would do something like this. It's par on the course for them.
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JRedBaron, it's par for the course for the United States as well. We've simply GOT to understand that **** like this happens all over the world.
 
I think there was a considerable degree of interference, but I don't necessarily think that there is any solid evidence connecting all the parties involved in electioneering in 2016 (primaries and the general) to the Clintons (or any form of "vast conspiracy"). There were various parties/factions vying for control from roughly four to five different fronts. In fact, there is quite possibly more evidence connecting Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton...
 
Moot said:
It think its a little deeper than that.
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No it's not. Trump won the red states, Hillary won the blue states, except for the three. Therefore, if Russia actually turned the election results, they did it in three blue states. So what if Trump won more votes in red states, or Hillary got less votes in the states she won?
 
Moderate Right said:
I voted other because even though the Russians MAY have influenced the election to a small degree, they did not change the election results.
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Was that question listed. They either did or they did not?
 
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