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If China invaded Taiwan, should America intervene militarily on Taiwan's behalf?

If China invaded Taiwan, should America intervene militarily on Taiwan's behalf?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 35.7%

  • Yes, but only as part of a UN/NATO force

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • No

    Votes: 15 35.7%

  • Unknown/Not sure

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • I was told there would be cake

    Votes: 1 2.4%
  • Total voters
    42
DashingAmerican said:
I'm not saying back down from Chinese aggression, I'm just saying that a country should have the means to defend itself without the assistance of other countries. I disagree with the premise that it is the worlds place to defend any country that is not it's own.
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NATO has only once come to the aid of a member ally. In Afghanistan, after America was attacked. Two Portuguese soldiers died in Afghanistan. How many Americans have died because Portugal was attacked?
 
DA60 said:
What a tired, old question.

Hello? Taiwan has not even had a referendum yet...so they are still officially part of China.

It would not be an invasion if they are just entering their own country.

No offense, but what ignoramus thought up this tired, old question?

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never mind.
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Referendum? What? Taiwan is the last bastion of the KMT, the Chinese Nationalists, driven there by Mao Zedong and the Chinese Red Army. Do you think a referendum would result in them accepting being a province of Communist China?
If the US decides not to recognize Taiwan's right to exist outside of Red China, fine, but it should be made clear.
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Grand Mal said:
Referendum? What? Taiwan is the last bastion of the KMT, the Chinese Nationalists, driven there by Mao Zedong and the Chinese Red Army. Do you think a referendum would result in them accepting being a province of Communist China?
If the US decides not to recognize Taiwan's right to exist outside of Red China, fine, but it should be made clear.
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It was a joke.

I started the thread.

I was insulting myself.
 
DaveFagan said:
The USA seems to be the only Nation in the World that exports wars! The current USA behaviour demonizing all things Russian has brought us back to the very profitable, for the Elites, Cold War mentality. Many Nations in this World seem to need protection from the USA, not from other Nations. We are not the World's policeman and never were. It is just a clever MSM narrative to camoflauge hegemony by the USA. That's reality.
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This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen in a long time. Every war where one nation attacks another is "exporting war", by definition. Is your memory really so short that it does not remember Iraq invading Kuwait, or Russia's wars against Ukraine and others? And those are just recent examples in your own lifetime.
 
chuckiechan said:
We can present ourselves as a blocking force, daring China to do so much as scratch the paint on a US warship.

Don't forget, we "Accidentally" took out a Chinese embassy in Belgrade in 1999 as they were acting as a front for gathering intelligence about US forces and a crashed stealth bomber. So China knows the USA is as likely to bark as to bite, and they cannot be sure which will happen first.
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That's right. I believed then, and still do, that that was no accident. It was purposeful to send a message, and the message was received loud and clear for awhile.
 
Captain Adverse said:
matchlight said:
Do you think it would be wise for the U.S. to allow China to invade Taiwan, just because there is no formal defense treaty? I think some aggressive acts would be so severe and so destabilizing to the world that it would be catastrophically foolish of the U.S. to let them go unchallenged. But I also think the military problem of invading Taiwan is one China cannot solve. A naval blockade would make much more sense, and the U.S. should make sure Taiwan has the resources needed to prevent one.
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I am not an isolationist. However, I do not advocate the U.S. being the "world's policeman."

I am tired of armchair generals wiling to commit the lives of young American citizens to wars using the "destabilizing the world" arguments.

If Americans want to defend Taiwan, push for a clear treaty obligating us to do so. THAT would be a valid roadblock to PRC aggression.

Otherwise? Be a little more cautious with American lives. :coffeepap:
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I am sick and tired of being the world's police force, as well, but at the same time it's folly to be an isolationist. I most definitely do believe that we need to pick and choose our engagements much more carefully, but that being said I also feel we'd have to defend Taiwan in the OP's scenario. As matchlight said, the consequences... the domino-effect, if you will... of not doing so would be far reaching and potentially catastrophic.
 
radcen said:
I am sick and tired of being the world's police force, as well, but at the same time it's folly to be an isolationist. I most definitely do believe that we need to pick and choose our engagements much more carefully, but that being said I also feel we'd have to defend Taiwan in the OP's scenario. As matchlight said, the consequences... the domino-effect, if you will... of not doing so would be far reaching and potentially catastrophic.
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Then you have to be willing to let China divide Asia up into "my markets" and "our markets" and regulate shipping to their commercial advantage - up to and including toll booths.

The "nine dash line" straddles the worlds most important sea lanes.
 
radcen said:
This has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have seen in a long time. Every war where one nation attacks another is "exporting war", by definition. Is your memory really so short that it does not remember Iraq invading Kuwait, or Russia's wars against Ukraine and others? And those are just recent examples in your own lifetime.
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I remember Vietnam, Haiti, Granada, Bay of Pigs, Nicaragua, Panama, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Serbia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Chile, and many others, but the ones listed have the largest casualty counts. You know. Dead people. And they're still dead. Does that make ignorance a relative concept?
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Yes... without hesitation...
 
DaveFagan said:
I remember Vietnam, Haiti, Granada, Bay of Pigs, Nicaragua, Panama, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Serbia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Chile, and many others, but the ones listed have the largest casualty counts. You know. Dead people. And they're still dead. Does that make ignorance a relative concept?
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Your response here does nothing to counter my point that it's not just, or even primarily, the US. All you did was cherry-pick examples.
 
DA60 said:
If China invaded Taiwan, should America intervene militarily on Taiwan's behalf?
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Nope. The lives of Americans are worth more than that of the Taiwanese.
 
As the parent of two children I am going to say no, because, you know, I'd like to keep them alive. No war with Russia or China. Sanction the crap out of them, but no war.
 
DA60 said:
What a tired, old question.

Hello? Taiwan has not even had a referendum yet...so they are still officially part of China.

It would not be an invasion if they are just entering their own country.

No offense, but what ignoramus thought up this tired, old question?

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never mind.
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its a democracy not currently under the rule of mainland china with is held under the control of the communist party by force

ther subjugation by China would be wrong

yes it would be an invasion
 
jamesrage said:
Nope. The lives of Americans are worth more than that of the Taiwanese.
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ya just as my life is worth more then yours and no one should ever come to your aid at risk to themselves
 
DA60 said:
If China invaded Taiwan, should America intervene militarily on Taiwan's behalf?
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Of course. Taiwan is a US ally. Abandoning allies is not just a folly, it is also simply a bad idea.

We already abandoned the Tibetans to the "tender mercies" of the Chicoms before. How has that worked out for us?
 
DashingAmerican said:
I picked yes by mistake, but no, we shouldn't come to the defense of other countries.
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So in other words.....

We shouldn't have come to the defense of Britain back in during the Second World War(granted, we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, but even that we would have entered eventually).

We shouldn't have come to the defense of South Korea when the Kim cult's troops swarmed over the border

We shouldn't have come to the defense of Kuwait when Saddam Insane launched his glorified land grab

Etc.

Or is it just that you don't like Taiwanese people?
 
DaveFagan said:
I remember Vietnam, Haiti, Granada, Bay of Pigs, Nicaragua, Panama, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Serbia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Chile, and many others, but the ones listed have the largest casualty counts. You know. Dead people. And they're still dead. Does that make ignorance a relative concept?
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We invaded Chile?

When?

Oh, Somalia. You mean when the US tried to put an end to a horrific civil war which was slowly starving the Somali people. I didn't know you hated Somalis that much Dave.

Same thing with Haiti. I guess you just don't like it when civilians aren't suffering enough.

Yeah, because people in Cuba are so well off under communism.....oh, wait. No they aren't.

We already know about your love of middle eastern dictators who support terrorist groups. Moving on....

Afghanistan? Seriously? You support the Taliban as well?

The fact that you had the sheer gall to list Serbia and Kosovo is hilarious. We eliminated the Serbs ability to continue ethnically cleansing their neighbors, but of course Dave hates anyone who isn't vehemently anti West so I guess he thinks those people deserves to be murdered by wandering death squads.

Oh, and by the way you listed the same airstrikes three different times. Serbia and Kosovo were both in Yugoslavia. Learn some history.
 
blarg said:
ya just as my life is worth more then yours and no one should ever come to your aid at risk to themselves
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So you are fine with you or your kids dying for people in another country?
 
jamesrage said:
So you are fine with you or your kids dying for people in another country?
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thats bad so is the subjection of millions of people

you fine wiht your life and your children's lives bieng worth less then other peoples
 
blarg said:
thats bad so is the subjection of millions of people
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Again I value the lives of my fellow Americans over the lives of foreigners.
you fine wiht your life and your children's lives bieng worth less then other peoples
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You are the one who thinks the lives the Taiwanese are more important than yours and your children's lives. So it is obvious that you think yours and your kids lives are worth less than other peoples lives.
 
jamesrage said:
Again I value the lives of my fellow Americans over the lives of foreigners.


You are the one who thinks the lives the Taiwanese are more important than yours and your children's lives. So it is obvious that you think yours and your kids lives are worth less than other peoples lives.
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not less maybe the same
 
Tigerace117 said:
So in other words.....

We shouldn't have come to the defense of Britain back in during the Second World War(granted, we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, but even that we would have entered eventually).

We shouldn't have come to the defense of South Korea when the Kim cult's troops swarmed over the border

We shouldn't have come to the defense of Kuwait when Saddam Insane launched his glorified land grab

Etc.

Or is it just that you don't like Taiwanese people?
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In other words, we shouldn't meddle in things that have nothing to do with us.

Yes, we should've entered WWII, probably sooner (it's debatable), but WWII was exactly that, a world war. It changed the landscape of the world.

No, we should have never entered the Korean war. I would go as far as saying the only reasons we did is because before WWII it was under Japanese rule since 1905, but WWII changed that and secondly, N. Korea was just a Stalin Puppet and even still I would not have entered the Korean conflict.

And no, I would definitely not have got involved when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

How is it our responsibility to defend countries that can't/won't defend themselves?
 
DashingAmerican said:
In other words, we shouldn't meddle in things that have nothing to do with us.

Yes, we should've entered WWII, probably sooner (it's debatable), but WWII was exactly that, a world war. It changed the landscape of the world.

No, we should have never entered the Korean war. I would go as far as saying the only reasons we did is because before WWII it was under Japanese rule since 1905, but WWII changed that and secondly, N. Korea was just a Stalin Puppet and even still I would not have entered the Korean conflict.

And no, I would definitely not have got involved when Saddam invaded Kuwait.

How is it our responsibility to defend countries that can't/won't defend themselves?
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When one of the involved parties is an ally of the US, by definition the US becomes involved. The claim that the US is "meddling" is an old, cynical excuse the aggressors love to use.

North Korea is an utterly horrific regime. The human rights abuses committed by said regime are massive in scale. The idea of allowing anybody, especially allies of the United States, people who trusted us, to fall into their hands without a fight is horrifying.

Stalin was one of the three most evil men in recent history, by the way. There's no such thing as "merely" a Stalin puppet.

When a country becomes an ally of the US, part of that relationship is that since we are the superpower we will defend them if necessary.
 
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