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Donald Trumps Dismissive Stance on Climate Change/Global Warming

Do you agree with Trump's Dismissive Stance on Climate Change/Global Warming?

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Rogue Valley

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Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to pull the US out of the 194-nation United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (Paris Agreement), which is the world's first comprehensive climate agreement.

Together with his EPA cabinet appointment - Scott Pruitt - Trump seeks to 'deconstruct/gut' the US Environmental Protection Agency and his initial 'skinny budget' slashes EPA funding by 31%.

According to a recent HuffPo/YouGov Poll, the majority of Americans disagree with Trumps stances:

  • 57% of Americans believe humans are causing climate change
  • 55% of Americans believe the US should remain in the Paris Agreement
  • 49% of Americans believe the US/EPA should fund climate research
  • 57% of Americans believe the US/EPA should continue funding the Energy Star program
 
Majority of Americans didn't vote for or support Trump, so this isn't surprising.
 
In 100 years time people won't care about the whether the DJIA hit 21000, about transgender bathrooms, about mining jobs, about the U6 unemployment rate. They won't care about ISIS, or Aleppo, or Russian collusion, or emails, or golf vacations.

What they will care about is the damage that 200 years worth of humans managed to do to their environment. We are going to be on the complete wrong side of history if we don't get our **** together on the issue of climate change. Of that there is very little doubt. It's high time we began to actually take the opinions of people who take the time to learn things seriously, instead of electing charlatans.
 
Nilly said:
In 100 years time people won't care about the whether the DJIA hit 21000, about transgender bathrooms, about mining jobs, about the U6 unemployment rate. They won't care about ISIS, or Aleppo, or Russian collusion, or emails, or golf vacations.

What they will care about is the damage that 200 years worth of humans managed to do to their environment. We are going to be on the complete wrong side of history if we don't get our **** together on the issue of climate change. Of that there is very little doubt. It's high time we began to actually take the opinions of people who take the time to learn things seriously, instead of electing charlatans.
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Or they will look back and say the wacko environmentalists lied to us and now our economy is ruined for no reason
 
Rogue Valley said:
Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to pull the US out of the 194-nation United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (Paris Agreement), which is the world's first comprehensive climate agreement.

Together with his EPA cabinet appointment - Scott Pruitt - Trump seeks to 'deconstruct/gut' the US Environmental Protection Agency and his initial 'skinny budget' slashes EPA funding by 31%.

According to a recent HuffPo/YouGov Poll, the majority of Americans disagree with Trumps stances:

  • 57% of Americans believe humans are causing climate change
  • 55% of Americans believe the US should remain in the Paris Agreement
  • 49% of Americans believe the US/EPA should fund climate research
  • 57% of Americans believe the US/EPA should continue funding the Energy Star program
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Yes. That had surprised me a little. I hadn't gained the impression that people knew what the Paris Treaty would cost them.
 
Mac77 said:
Or they will look back and say the wacko environmentalists lied to us and now our economy is ruined for no reason
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Except there's nothing to suggest that going green is ruining the economy.

Look at Germany, despite it's whole 'green energy disaster' it's not exactly crumbling is it.

In any case, it takes far less time to recover from a recession than it does from a 3 foot sea level rise.
 
Nilly said:
Except there's nothing to suggest that going green is ruining the economy.

Look at Germany, despite it's whole 'green energy disaster' it's not exactly crumbling is it.

In any case, it takes far less time to recover from a recession than it does from a 3 foot sea level rise.
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Of course there is.

Opening up fossil fuel production is going to give the economy a big boost.

Giving government subsidies to a few lucky greenies while raising costs for everyone else is bad for the economy
 
Mac77 said:
Or they will look back and say the wacko environmentalists lied to us and now our economy is ruined for no reason
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Doubt it since most of the delusional, anti-science brigade will have died out when the 22nd century rolls around.
 
Mac77 said:
Of course there is.

Opening up fossil fuel production is going to give the economy a big boost.

Giving government subsidies to a few lucky greenies while raising costs for everyone else is bad for the economy
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Except that isn't what is happening by any stretch of the imagination lol.

You're really deluded if you think that big oil is the plucky little underdog here.
 
Mac77 said:
Or they will look back and say the wacko environmentalists lied to us and now our economy is ruined for no reason
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i don't know about you, but even if half of what we are told about climate change is wrong, i believe we should still protect our environment .....personally, i kinda like having clean water and clean air
 
Until both China and India take climate change seriously I don't think the US should be too concerned about something they apparently have no control over.
 
randel said:
i don't know about you, but even if half of what we are told about climate change is wrong, i believe we should still protect our environment .....personally, i kinda like having clean water and clean air
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And, the conservatives here can wear their blinders , wheel around their oxygen bottle and breathing apparatus, more inland, and drink their Perrier water .. and blame the Democrats !
 
China Poised for Leadership on Climate Change After U.S. Reversal

China may soon fill the leadership vacuum that President Donald Trump leaves on the world stage as he is expected to sign a new executive order Tuesday that seeks to dismantle much of the work on climate change enacted by his predecessor. That work was aimed at helping the United States meet its carbon emissions targets in the landmark Paris climate agreement. At the same time, China's leadership has taken steps to move away from coal and has renewed calls to continue global action on reducing carbon emissions. “The Paris Agreement is a hard-won achievement,” Chinese President Xi Jinping told the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, in January. “All signatories should stick to it instead of walking away from it, as this is a responsibility we must assume for future generations.”

While Trump's order casts uncertainty over U.S. efforts to rein in emissions, China, the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, has not paused in its drive to ramp up renewable energy and curb its use of coal. It just halted the construction of 103 new coal-fired power plants, and its energy agency at the start of the year announced plans to pour more than $360 billion into renewable energy by the end of the decade. As part of the Paris agreement, China aims to peak its carbon emissions and get a fifth of its energy from non-fossil sources by 2030. Some reports suggest it is already ahead of schedule on the former. The country’s smog problem is hurting its economy, adding to health costs, hampering productivity, and discouraging tourism, so there is strong incentive to clear the air by cutting coal use. Here again, the spoils could fall to China, which is home to some of the world’s biggest wind and solar manufacturers. “If the U.S. backs out of the energy transition,” Kortenhorst says, China will think, “it’s time to double down, because the market opportunity has just fallen even closer into their lap.”
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Climate change methods do not have either the accuracy nor the precision to tell us much more than,
“Such things happen, periodically”. They aren’t well informed at all, as anyone that knows even a little about the science
behind it realizes that’s all crackpot nonsense.What’s weird about that is that people actually buy into that nonsense.

After this silliness dies down people will start worrying about the magnetic field disasters to come,
On average, it happens every 400,000 years, Extinctions aren’t documented, but that reduced protection
from solar radiation could mess with electronics. And you might get quite a tan.

Please people relax!
 
Rogue Valley said:
Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to pull the US out of the 194-nation United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (Paris Agreement), which is the world's first comprehensive climate agreement.

Together with his EPA cabinet appointment - Scott Pruitt - Trump seeks to 'deconstruct/gut' the US Environmental Protection Agency and his initial 'skinny budget' slashes EPA funding by 31%.

According to a recent HuffPo/YouGov Poll, the majority of Americans disagree with Trumps stances:

  • 57% of Americans believe humans are causing climate change
  • 55% of Americans believe the US should remain in the Paris Agreement
  • 49% of Americans believe the US/EPA should fund climate research
  • 57% of Americans believe the US/EPA should continue funding the Energy Star program
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Well, giving the impeding Trump-induced potential for Nuclear Winter, maybe it's not the biggest deal right now.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to pull the US out of the 194-nation United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (Paris Agreement), which is the world's first comprehensive climate agreement.

Together with his EPA cabinet appointment - Scott Pruitt - Trump seeks to 'deconstruct/gut' the US Environmental Protection Agency and his initial 'skinny budget' slashes EPA funding by 31%.

According to a recent HuffPo/YouGov Poll, the majority of Americans disagree with Trumps stances:

  • 57% of Americans believe humans are causing climate change
  • 55% of Americans believe the US should remain in the Paris Agreement
  • 49% of Americans believe the US/EPA should fund climate research
  • 57% of Americans believe the US/EPA should continue funding the Energy Star program
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Another weighted poll.

Party ID from the poll: 38.4% Dem., 37.9% Ind., 23.7 Rep.

Find a poll that isn't trying to draw a conclusion but rather to find some.
 
Different poll and the same conclusions. Trump is at odds with most Americans...

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I think the 70 year old Trump has a convoluted nostalgia for the 60's when corporations could befoul the air and the waterways with impunity.
 
slick said:
Climate change methods do not have either the accuracy nor the precision to tell us much more than,
“Such things happen, periodically”. They aren’t well informed at all, as anyone that knows even a little about the science
behind it realizes that’s all crackpot nonsense.What’s weird about that is that people actually buy into that nonsense.

After this silliness dies down people will start worrying about the magnetic field disasters to come,
On average, it happens every 400,000 years, Extinctions aren’t documented, but that reduced protection
from solar radiation could mess with electronics. And you might get quite a tan.

Please people relax!
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Oh phew, I can relax now. Slick with his advanced degree in climatology knows the vast majority of experts have it all wrong. What a relief!
 
The Dunning-Kruger Effect ?

Mac77 said:
Or they will look back and say the wacko environmentalists lied to us and now our economy is ruined for no reason
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:mrgreen:

'It Is Pathetic': Bernie Sanders Slams Trump After ExxonMobil Urges White House to Abide by Paris Climate Accord

.......The Paris accord is “an effective framework for addressing the risks of climate change,” a senior Exxon official wrote in a letter to the president’s special assistant for international energy and the environment. “We welcomed the Paris Agreement when it was announced in December 2015 and again when it came into force in November 2016,” Peter Trelenberg, Exxon’s manager for environmental policy, wrote to the White House.

In the March 22 letter the official from the energy giant, which currently is under investigation for its accounting practices related to climate change, argued that the Paris Agreement presents an opportunity to support greater use of natural gas. “It is prudent that the United States remain a party to the Paris agreement to ensure a level playing field, so that global energy markets remain as free and competitive as possible,” Trelenberg wrote to the Trump administration......

'It Is Pathetic': Bernie Sanders Slams Trump After ExxonMobil Urges White House to Abide by Paris Climate Accord | Alternet
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"ExxonMobil Urges White House to Abide by Paris Climate Accord"

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:lamo
 
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I completely disagree with him. We need to start taking reasonable steps to mitigate climate change now, so we don't have to take drastic emergency measures later.
 
molten_dragon said:
I completely disagree with him. We need to start taking reasonable steps to mitigate climate change now, so we don't have to take drastic emergency measures later.
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Global warming to the extent that it exists may be entirely natural

There are countless warming and cooling periods in history that occured naturtally

The earth is so big and we humans so small there is nothing you can do to put the brakes on global warming or globlal cooling if thats where Nature decides to go
 
Mac77 said:
The earth is so big and we humans so small there is nothing you can do to put the brakes on global warming or globlal cooling if thats where Nature decides to go
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The vast majority of climatologists and environmental scientists disagree with your personal opinion.

The evidence is strong enough that 194 nations agreed to sign the global Paris Agreement climate-change document.

Besides climate, Trumps desire to gut the US/EPA will debilitate/retard decades-long efforts to minimize pollution and regulate pollutants and carcinogens.
 
Nilly said:
In 100 years time people won't care about the whether the DJIA hit 21000, about transgender bathrooms, about mining jobs, about the U6 unemployment rate. They won't care about ISIS, or Aleppo, or Russian collusion, or emails, or golf vacations.

What they will care about is the damage that 200 years worth of humans managed to do to their environment. We are going to be on the complete wrong side of history if we don't get our **** together on the issue of climate change. Of that there is very little doubt. It's high time we began to actually take the opinions of people who take the time to learn things seriously, instead of electing charlatans.
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There isn't really much we can do about it. The United States isn't the only industrialized nation. It isn't the biggest industrialized nation. Unless we interfere with China there is nothing we can do.
 
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