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Does President Trump value state's rights?

Does President Trump value state's rights?

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Harshaw said:
Now you're descending into idiocy. "Pro-illegals." :roll: It doesn't matter at all that you like, or don't like, the policy. A state is not required to cooperate.

If you think they should be just because of your views on illegal immigration, then you don't really believe in states' rights, either. :shrug:
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You're not following the Constitution whatsoever. It says the Congress makes a uniform law of naturalization. That leaves a lot open, including forcing states to cooperate. All the authority necessary to carry out a power.
 
American said:
You're not following the Constitution whatsoever. It says the Congress makes a uniform law of naturalization. That leaves a lot open, including forcing states to cooperate. All the authority necessary to carry out a power.
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the federal government cannot force states to enforce federal law.

they can require them to cooperate in some situations
 
radcen said:
Does President Trump value state's rights?

Value, advocate, respect, etc.

Your opinion.
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He has no particular political ideology nor does he know much about American history or the Constitution. If you explain states rights to him, assuming his attention span is that long, then he might have an opinion on it for the next hour or so.

Visbek said:
I seriously doubt that Trump genuinely understands federalism.
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There.... more succinctly and politely said
 
American said:
You're not following the Constitution whatsoever. It says the Congress makes a uniform law of naturalization. That leaves a lot open, including forcing states to cooperate. All the authority necessary to carry out a power.
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Nope, you're wrong.
 
Absentglare said:
Let's see.

He wants to send feds into states that legalized marijuana.
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The Federal Laws that criminalize "marijuana"; many of which were on the books since 1970, long predated President Trump.
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/841.htm

I agree with the legalization of marijuana but we can't blame law enforcement and government for enforcing laws that are still active.

And repealing Federal Drug Laws starts at the ballot box on a national level.

He wants to send feds into sanctuary cities.
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These cities are in violation of Federal Laws which present a threat to Americans and undue burden on national resources.

And someone had to do something for christ-sake because illegal immigration has become a national disaster!

He wants to take Americans private property and give it to a foreign corporation.
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This sounds very much like another case of Fake News by the forever unreliable Main Stream Media/Press.

He wants to send feds into Chicago because of ... the murder rate(?).
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Unless I'm mistaken, Trump simply offered them federal assistance for an escalating problem which the city leaders have refused to deal with!

So why don't you wait until Trump's Storm Troopers actually invade Chicago before declaring a state of emergency.

I honestly don't know how anyone could seriously consider him a proponent of states rights. And i don't see how he could get re-elected after pissing off the stoners.
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I seriously doubt these subhuman waistoids are any threat to President Trump's political aspirations.
 
Lutherf said:
His policies, so far, have been very much state-centric. The health care bill is a prime example of that as is his stated take on abortion and gay rights.
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Very good point on him being centric. We shall see how far his AG goes in enforcing the Fed ban on cannabis in the growing number of States following CO.
 
yankintx said:
Very good point on him being centric. We shall see how far his AG goes in enforcing the Fed ban on cannabis in the growing number of States following CO.
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I'm not sure what he will do about pot. He doesn't seem to be particularly politically motivated so polls likely won't sway him too much. That being said, he seems to like being popular and legalizing weed would certainly make him popular in some circles. What would be REALLY interesting is that the same people that would be happy about legalized pot would also be the ones most likely to hate Trump.

Maybe, if he legalized weed, all the pot smokers would have a huge protest march demanding that he ban pot until a Democrat chooses to legalize it.
 
American said:
You're not following the Constitution whatsoever. It says the Congress makes a uniform law of naturalization. That leaves a lot open, including forcing states to cooperate. All the authority necessary to carry out a power.
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I linked you to Printz v. United States before.

Here's the holding:

We held in New York that Congress cannot compel the States to enact or enforce a federal regulatory program. Today we hold that Congress cannot circumvent that prohibition by conscripting the States' officers directly. The Federal Government may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command the States' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policymaking is involved, and no case-bycase weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.
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^^^^
This could not be more clear.
 
Master PO said:
can you give us examples of each one of these
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See below...

Absentglare said:
He wants to send feds into states that legalized marijuana.
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Empirica said:
The Federal Laws that criminalize "marijuana"; many of which were on the books since 1970, long predated President Trump.
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/841.htm

I agree with the legalization of marijuana but we can't blame law enforcement and government for enforcing laws that are still active.

And repealing Federal Drug Laws starts at the ballot box on a national level.
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We need to remove marijuana's federal Schedule I status. Instead, President Trump put Sessions in charge of the drug war.

Absentglare said:
He wants to send feds into sanctuary cities.
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Empirica said:
These cities are in violation of Federal Laws which present a threat to Americans and undue burden on national resources.

And someone had to do something for christ-sake because illegal immigration has become a national disaster!
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No they are not in violation of federal laws. This issue is fundamentally about whether states and cities get the freedom to decide how to spend their own law enforcement resources.

President Trump released an executive order on Wednesday to support immigration enforcement and punish local governments that don’t comply with federal authorities. In some so-called “sanctuary cities,” officials refuse to hand over illegal immigrants for deportation. Because jails are typically run by counties, rather than cities, county policies can matter more to immigrants.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/sanctuary-cities/

Absentglare said:
He wants to take Americans private property and give it to a foreign corporation.
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Empirica said:
This sounds very much like another case of Fake News by the forever unreliable Main Stream Media/Press.
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Nope, in President Trump's mind, eminent domain requires nothing more than a phone call to the ruling dictator to seize private property:

The company last month filed for the Nebraska PSC permit, which is necessary for construction and in cases in which the company resorts to using eminent domain because landowners refuse to let construction take place. TransCanada has said that it has agreements covering 90 percent of the route in each of the three states the pipeline will cross.

At the Oval Office Friday, Trump seemed surprised that TransCanada still needed the state’s approval. Trump said “I’ll call Nebraska.” He praised Nebraska’s governor Pete Ricketts (R) and said he would call Ricketts today. Ricketts, however, does not participate in the decision of the PSC, which has five commissioners.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ion-grants-approval-for-keystone-xl-pipeline/

Absentglare said:
He wants to send feds into Chicago because of ... the murder rate(?).
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Empirica said:
Unless I'm mistaken, Trump simply offered them federal assistance for an escalating problem which the city leaders have refused to deal with!

So why don't you wait until Trump's Storm Troopers actually invade Chicago before declaring a state of emergency.

I seriously doubt these subhuman waistoids are any threat to President Trump's political aspirations.
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He threatened them:

A day after President Donald Trump declared he was ready to "send in the Feds" if Chicago can't reduce its homicides, Mayor Rahm Emanuel warned against deploying the National Guard, saying it would hurt efforts to restore trust in the police.
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.nola.com/articles/20035593/chicago_mayor_trump_crime.amp
 
Absentglare said:
Let's see.

He wants to send feds into states that legalized marijuana.

there is no answer here, because their are two sides 1 for and the other against

https://www.google.com/search?clien...+on+the+dangers+of+drugs. &ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
He wants to send feds into sanctuary cities.

no he does not, he wants to withhold federal funds to cities or states which are sanctuaries

He wants to take Americans private property and give it to a foreign corporation.

no, the pipe line has been a long and drawn out process with the courts, which the Obama admin did not act on, but trump admin did.

He wants to send feds into Chicago because of ... the murder rate(?).

he wants chicago to ask for federal help, because he has no authority to just send in the feds.

I honestly don't know how anyone could seriously consider him a proponent of states rights. And i don't see how he could get re-elected after pissing off the stoners.
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he has leaned that direction because he has talked about block granting, and reducing regulations which affect states.
 
Master PO said:
the federal government cannot force states to enforce federal law.

they can require them to cooperate in some situations
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And when they don't?
 
radcen said:
Every? Seems that he and his AG want to have the feds bring the hammer back down on marijuana enforcement and effectively undo everything some states have done.

Or, are you going to split hairs and say that's not yet an action so it doesn't qualify? Or, are you going to say that it's Sessions and not Trump, even though Trump Sessions is a Trump appointee and Trump himself has suggested the same thing?
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The problem is congress is not willing to do their jobs: write new laws and change old ones like change marijuana from a schedule one drug to a schedule three. Why blame law enforcement? It's their job to enforce the laws congress writes.
 
American said:
Fine, we'll send in the federal army to find them. Better? You can't stop the fed from enforcing the laws of the land.
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I already said you couldn't. But that's not the subject.
 
Jmo, but Trump just uses states rights to punt and avoid having to take a stand.
 
Master PO said:
he has leaned that direction because he has talked about block granting, and reducing regulations which affect states.
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None of what you said seemed to change a single one of those.

If President Trump believed in the freedoms of states to manage themselves, he wouldn't try so hard to exert so much federal influence.
 
Absentglare said:
None of what you said seemed to change a single one of those.

If President Trump believed in the freedoms of states to manage themselves, he wouldn't try so hard to exert so much federal influence.
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yes it did....

trump has leaned toward state powers, because i have heard it , and i key in on things like that.

this is what gets me about the left, they believe so strong in income tax, yet it is income tax which allows the federal government to exercise the carrot and stick over the states thru federal funding.
 
Master PO said:
they have to take it to the courts or deny them federal funds, there is no mechanize to force states to comply by physical means
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Well they are denying them funds.
 
radcen said:
Does President Trump value state's rights?

Value, advocate, respect, etc.

Your opinion.
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I voted I don't know or other. The reason being so far trump has had no real conflicts with states yet over federal issues other than immigration, which is not a state issue anyways since it was enumerated in the constitution to the federal govt.

So as of right now I might lean yes he respects states rights, however with no real challenge on constitutional levels, there is no basis to judge him, so it will have to wait for a full verdict to see what he does rather than what people think he will do.
 
Empirica said:
The Federal Laws that criminalize "marijuana"; many of which were on the books since 1970, long predated President Trump.
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/21cfr/21usc/841.htm

I agree with the legalization of marijuana but we can't blame law enforcement and government for enforcing laws that are still active.

And repealing Federal Drug Laws starts at the ballot box on a national level.

These cities are in violation of Federal Laws which present a threat to Americans and undue burden on national resources.

And someone had to do something for christ-sake because illegal immigration has become a national disaster!

This sounds very much like another case of Fake News by the forever unreliable Main Stream Media/Press.

Unless I'm mistaken, Trump simply offered them federal assistance for an escalating problem which the city leaders have refused to deal with!

So why don't you wait until Trump's Storm Troopers actually invade Chicago before declaring a state of emergency.

I seriously doubt these subhuman waistoids are any threat to President Trump's political aspirations.
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On marijuana, trump can sign an executive order keeping the federal employees from actively prosecuting over mj. He can not stop the states with an eo, he can not change the law, but he can direct the fbi/cia/dea/ice/atf etc to avoid prosecuting it within the juristiction he wishes.
 
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