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Does President Trump value state's rights?

Does President Trump value state's rights?

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ocean515 said:
Block grants, school choice, cutting back on regulations? I can't see how you've reached that conclusion.
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What specifically are you referring to?

I can say it because there's no evidence he actually believes in any principle.
 
Harshaw said:
What specifically are you referring to?

I can say it because there's no evidence he actually believes in any principle.
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I'd say I listed sufficient specifics to answer the question.

Your second sentence reveals you wouldn't be interested in details, even if provided.
 
Harshaw said:
What specifically are you referring to?

I can say it because there's no evidence he actually believes in any principle.
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Right. An end result that a state gets more say in something does not necessarily means he's doing it for state's rights purposes. It could be that he simply wants to change federal reach and doesn't give a rat's ass beyond that.
 
ocean515 said:
I'd say I listed sufficient specifics to answer the question.

Your second sentence reveals you wouldn't be interested in details, even if provided.
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You didn't offer anything specific. You said "block grants." What did you have in mind? For what? And how does keeping a state on the federal teat indicate believing in states' rights? What's more, how does a THREAT TO WITHHOLD federal money from states if they don't do what he wants indicate a belief in states' rights? You need to answer that.

"Deregulation"? What, specifically, and how are those specifics geared toward states' rights? Do detail.

"School choice"? Again, explain exactly what, and how it indicates a belief in "states' rights," because a state is within its rights to maintain a public system as-is.
 
Harshaw said:
You didn't offer anything specific. You said "block grants." What did you have in mind? For what? And how does keeping a state on the federal teat indicate believing in states' rights? What's more, how does a THREAT TO WITHHOLD federal money from states if they don't do what he wants indicate a belief in states' rights? You need to answer that.

"Deregulation"? What, specifically, and how are those specifics geared toward states' rights? Do detail.

"School choice"? Again, explain exactly what, and how it indicates a belief in "states' rights," because a state is within its rights to maintain a public system as-is.
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You wrote that you thought President Trump had no principles. That is an absurd statement. It reveals you have little objectivity in your views.

I see no reason to invest any time and effort when it's obvious there is nothing to be accomplished against such a narrow minded point of view.

Have a nice day.
 
ocean515 said:
You wrote that you thought President Trump had no principles. That is an absurd statement. It reveals you have little objectivity in your views.

I see no reason to invest any time and effort when it's obvious there is nothing to be accomplished against such a narrow minded point of view.

Have a nice day.
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So you don't have any actual answers to the questions you NEED to answer to support your claim that Trump believes in states' rights.

It's up to you to provide the evidence. You didn't.

Meanwhile, Trump threatens states which don't do what he wants.
 
Harshaw said:
So you don't have any actual answers to the questions you NEED to answer to support your claim that Trump believes in states' rights.

It's up to you to provide the evidence. You didn't.

Meanwhile, Trump threatens states which don't do what he wants.
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I have plenty of answers. However, since you revealed your position, I'm not willing to invest any time providing them.

Pretty clear where you're coming from, so what would be the point?
 
ocean515 said:
I have plenty of answers. However, since you revealed your position, I'm not willing to invest any time providing them.

Pretty clear where you're coming from, so what would be the point?
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I don't think you do. You're just making excuses.

Your claim of his belief in states' rights is unsupportable.
 
radcen said:
Does President Trump value state's rights?

Value, advocate, respect, etc.

Your opinion.
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I would like to point out - if your degree of caring for States' Rights depends on your audience, then you don't really care about States Rights, you care about the approval of your audience.
 
Harshaw said:
You didn't offer anything specific. You said "block grants." What did you have in mind? For what? And how does keeping a state on the federal teat indicate believing in states' rights? What's more, how does a THREAT TO WITHHOLD federal money from states if they don't do what he wants indicate a belief in states' rights? You need to answer that.

"Deregulation"? What, specifically, and how are those specifics geared toward states' rights? Do detail.

"School choice"? Again, explain exactly what, and how it indicates a belief in "states' rights," because a state is within its rights to maintain a public system as-is.
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Dude, he threatened to withhold federal funds over immigration issues like sanctuary cities. That's well within the Constitution.
 
Harshaw said:
States are not required to enforce federal law. That's the Constitution, and that's the "states' rights" position on the matter.

Printz v. United States:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1478.ZO.html
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If they are hiding illegal aliens, they are attempt to thwart federal jurisdiction, and the fed has a right to take the money. If you're really for states rights, you wouldn't want the fed funds anyway.
 
Casca XV said:
So far every relevant action Trump has taken has reduced the power of the Federal Government. In some cases he returned the responsibility to the States (transgender issues).
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This is the way I have been reading it too.

The Right generally translates such actions as empowering the states and therefore the people.

The Left generally translates such actions as racist, sexist, homophobic, or hating the poor, kids, old folks, etc.

It remains to be seen how much the people who voted for Trump and who support him now--those who know that government cannot be mother, daddy, grandparent, Santa Claus and God to all without serious negative consequences--will hang tough with him. If we falter, he fails. And its back to business as usual with our liberties slowly dissolving in favor of collective mentality/speak and our nation slowly declining into mediocrity or worse.
 
well would say so far he has leaned in the direction of state powers

but to break the back of socialist gains over the last 50 plus years he needs to devolve power down by eliminating some dept. and agencies within the government and make it that no agency can put any regulation into effect, but only congress.

have congress breakup the federal courts as they are now and reorganize them.
 
American said:
If they are hiding illegal aliens, they are attempt to thwart federal jurisdiction, and the fed has a right to take the money. If you're really for states rights, you wouldn't want the fed funds anyway.
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They are not required to enforce federal law.

Attempting to coerce them into it through funding is not friendly to states' rights. No amount of lipstick pretties up that pig.
 
Master PO said:
well would say so far he has leaned in the direction of state powers

but to break the back of socialist gains over the last 50 plus years he needs to devolve power down by eliminating some dept. and agencies within the government and make it that no agency can put any regulation into effect, but only congress.

have congress breakup the federal courts as they are now and reorganize them.
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I'm on board with any of that. I'd be in favor of a constitutional amendment requiring that all regulation be specifically passed by Congress, and not decided by an unelected agency.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm on board with any of that. I'd be in favor of a constitutional amendment requiring that all regulation be specifically passed by Congress, and not decided by an unelected agency.
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whats sad is that the constitution states all laws must be made by congress and they are not
 
Harshaw said:
They are not required to enforce federal law.

Attempting to coerce them into it through funding is not friendly to states' rights. No amount of lipstick pretties up that pig.
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States are not required to, right, but they should (JMO).

The feds aren't required to offer money at all, either. Fair is fair. (I hate that they do that, though.)
 
radcen said:
States are not required to, right, but they should (JMO).

The feds aren't required to offer money at all, either. Fair is fair. (I hate that they do that, though.)
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:shrug: Attempting to coerce a state into doing federal bidding is anti-states' rights. Full stop. Doesn't matter if you think it's a good idea or not. It is what it is.
 
Harshaw said:
:shrug: Attempting to coerce a state into doing federal bidding is anti-states' rights. Full stop. Doesn't matter if you think it's a good idea or not. It is what it is.
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I'm pretty sure that I agreed with you in my post. :shrug:
 
radcen said:
I'm pretty sure that I agreed with you in my post. :shrug:
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I didn't read it that way, but if you did, then excelsior.
 
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