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Will the US Start Losing Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

Will the US Lose Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

  • Yes, a substantial number will forego an American university.

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • Yes, but it won't be that many

    Votes: 4 11.4%

  • No, the number of foreign students will stay about the same.

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • No, there will be an increase in the number of foreign students.

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Total voters
    35
Media_Truth

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I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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He sounds like a one-trick pony who knows something about technology but little else.

As for foreign students never fear

they will continue to come to America and keep the liberal professors from having to find real jobs in the private sector,
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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Absolutely we will. Now many foreign students haven't been very interested in US politics--until now. Because if this anti-immigrant ideology continues to get more and more cooked into Trump's policies, well, that wall might not just rise between us and Mexico but us and the whole damn world.

On a related note, while the US continues to twiddle its thumbs and refuse to increase public university funding now that the economy has been back on track, other nations, such as China, are picking up where we are choosing to leave off.
 
Mac77 said:
He sounds like a one-trick pony who knows something about technology but little else.

As for foreign students never fear

they will continue to come to America and keep the liberal professors from having to find real jobs in the private sector,
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So being a professor is not a "real job"? Please define for us what a "real job" is so that we may clearly understand it.
 
Phys251 said:
So being a professor is not a "real job"? Please define for us what a "real job" is so that we may clearly understand it.
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Its a real job only as long as they are being paid to do it.

But if demand for the porduct goes down we may not need as many of them or have to pay them as much
 
Phys251 said:
Absolutely we will. Now many foreign students haven't been very interested in US politics--until now. Because if this anti-immigrant ideology continues to get more and more cooked into Trump's policies, well, that wall might not just rise between us and Mexico but us and the whole damn world.

On a related note, while the US continues to twiddle its thumbs and refuse to increase public university funding now that the economy has been back on track, other nations, such as China, are picking up where we are choosing to leave off.
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You conflate immigrant with illegal immigrant. Public funding of universities is exactly why tuition has sky rocketed.

Less than 10% of Chinese graduates have skills valued by international markets.


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Phys251 said:
So being a professor is not a "real job"? Please define for us what a "real job" is so that we may clearly understand it.
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When the highest attainment of a field is to be a professor in that field, that field is not "real jobs".


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Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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The funny thing is that the main difference between anti-dark in the two countries is the loud openness with which one's own anti-darkness is deplored and picked up in the international media. Switzerland just isn't usually news.
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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Start? Dude, they started leaving 15 years ago. Even the seasonal workers are leaving now, never mind the people with marketable skills -- both immigrant and American-born.

It may be true that America has some good schools, but they're basically run by nepotism of the wealthy these days and the fact is, you don't need to go to the best university to wind up at the best jobs. Out in the real world, it's just not that important to have an extra-fancy diploma, and people are figuring that out. I know a guy who went to U Madison and wound up being a software engineer at Apple. Hell, I wound up working in the education department at a university, and I don't have a degree at all. What really matters is that you have demonstrable ability.

The best jobs, more and more often, just aren't in America anymore (and no, they're not all going to the third world; Ireland is a huge tech hub for Apple, for example). Certainly, they're not paying enough to cover the 6-figure debt that America's best schools will put you in.

I mean, when was the last time you ran into an educated immigrant who moved here less than 20 years ago?

The brain drain started a loooong time ago. It's frankly shocking that the country's been ignoring it for so long.
 
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If he wants to go to Switzerland, I think it's a grand idea. It's a beautiful place.

Oh, and another thing...


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Start? Dude, they started leaving 15 years ago. Even the seasonal workers are leaving now, never mind the people with marketable skills.

It may be true that America has some good schools, but they're basically run by nepotism of the wealthy these days and the fact is, you don't need to go to the best university to wind up at the best jobs. I know a guy who went to U Madison and wound up being a software engineer at Apple.

The best jobs, more and more often, just aren't in America anymore (and no, they're not all going to the third world; Ireland is a huge tech hub for Apple, for example). Certainly, they're not paying enough to cover the 6-figure debt that America's best schools will put you in.

I mean, when was the last time you ran into an educated immigrant who moved here less than 20 years ago? It's frankly shocking that the country's been ignoring it for so long.

The brain drain started a loooong time ago.
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Ireland is a hub for technology because of its extremely low business taxes. I have personally witnessed many American engineers replaced by Indian engineers at Intel. That started less than 20 years ago.


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Start? Dude, they started leaving 15 years ago. Even the seasonal workers are leaving now, never mind the people with marketable skills -- both immigrant and American-born.

It may be true that America has some good schools, but they're basically run by nepotism of the wealthy these days and the fact is, you don't need to go to the best university to wind up at the best jobs. Out in the real world, it's just not that important to have an extra-fancy diploma. I know a guy who went to U Madison and wound up being a software engineer at Apple. Hell, I wound up working in the education department at a university, and I don't have a degree at all. What really matters is that you have demonstrable ability.

The best jobs, more and more often, just aren't in America anymore (and no, they're not all going to the third world; Ireland is a huge tech hub for Apple, for example). Certainly, they're not paying enough to cover the 6-figure debt that America's best schools will put you in.

I mean, when was the last time you ran into an educated immigrant who moved here less than 20 years ago?

The brain drain started a loooong time ago. It's frankly shocking that the country's been ignoring it for so long.
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Universities and American companies would not need foreign students if American public schools were not so crappy
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Start? Dude, they started leaving 15 years ago. Even the seasonal workers are leaving now, never mind the people with marketable skills -- both immigrant and American-born.

It may be true that America has some good schools, but they're basically run by nepotism of the wealthy these days and the fact is, you don't need to go to the best university to wind up at the best jobs. Out in the real world, it's just not that important to have an extra-fancy diploma, and people are figuring that out. I know a guy who went to U Madison and wound up being a software engineer at Apple. Hell, I wound up working in the education department at a university, and I don't have a degree at all. What really matters is that you have demonstrable ability.

The best jobs, more and more often, just aren't in America anymore (and no, they're not all going to the third world; Ireland is a huge tech hub for Apple, for example). Certainly, they're not paying enough to cover the 6-figure debt that America's best schools will put you in.

I mean, when was the last time you ran into an educated immigrant who moved here less than 20 years ago?

The brain drain started a loooong time ago. It's frankly shocking that the country's been ignoring it for so long.
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Here's the actual data, and the US is currently #1.

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-...ul/17/top-20-countries-international-students


Destination country
Total number of students
1 US 740482
2 UK 427686
3 France 271399
4 Australia 249588
5 Germany 206986
6 Russia 173627
7 Japan 150617
8 Canada 120960
9 China 88979
10 Italy 77732
11 South Africa 70428
12 Malaysia 63625
13 South Korea 59472
14 Austria 58056
15 Netherlands 57509
16 Spain 55759
17 United Arab Emirates 54162
18 Singapore 52959
19 Egypt 49011
20 Saudi Arabia 46566

Putting this in perspective. If the US were to lose half of these international students, assuming $150K for 4 years, that would amount to over $55 Billion. $150K is probably over-conservative, as many schools (i.e. Ivy League) probably cost that much in one year. Also it doesn't factor in the money they spend in the US.
 
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Aberration said:
Ireland is a hub for technology because of its extremely low business taxes. I have personally witnessed many American engineers replaced by Indian engineers at Intel. That started less than 20 years ago.

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It doesn't get lower than nothing, which is the actual tax paid by many of America's big businesses and wealthiest CEO's, so obviously that's not the only reason.

India is investing more in cutting edge stuff than America is. Indian has more engineers than America does. It's not just down to cost of living, thus cases like Ireland, Germany, etc. It's straight-up down to going where people are actually investing in engineering, and guess what? America isn't.

If you're not going to even try to compete with developing nations, what do you expect? :shrug:
 
Media_Truth said:
Here's the actual data, and the US is currently #1.

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-...ul/17/top-20-countries-international-students


Destination country
Total number of students
1 US 740482
2 UK 427686
3 France 271399
4 Australia 249588
5 Germany 206986
6 Russia 173627
7 Japan 150617
8 Canada 120960
9 China 88979
10 Italy 77732
11 South Africa 70428
12 Malaysia 63625
13 South Korea 59472
14 Austria 58056
15 Netherlands 57509
16 Spain 55759
17 United Arab Emirates 54162
18 Singapore 52959
19 Egypt 49011
20 Saudi Arabia 46566
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America is geographically gigantic. This is a really dishonest way of giving the numbers.

Here's something a bit more honest.

The number 2 spot is taken by the UK, which has roughly 60% of the students America has in raw numbers...

...Despite the fact that they have a quarter of the population.

Not lookin' so good anymore.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
It doesn't get lower than nothing, which is the actual tax paid by many of America's big businesses and wealthiest CEO's, so obviously that's not the only reason.

India is investing more in cutting edge stuff than America is. Indian has more engineers than America does. It's not just down to cost of living, thus cases like Ireland, Germany, etc. It's straight-up down to going where people are actually investing in engineering, and guess what? America isn't.

If you're not going to even try to compete with developing nations, what do you expect? :shrug:
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Indians study math and science while American kids are tought to be good little liberals
 
Mac77 said:
Indians study math and science while American kids are tought to be good little liberals
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Oh, so that's why comparatively liberal Germany is taking engineering jobs from America? :lol:

I think simple mindsets like yours might have more to do with it actually.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
It doesn't get lower than nothing, which is the actual tax paid by many of America's big businesses and wealthiest CEO's, so obviously that's not the only reason.

India is investing more in cutting edge stuff than America is. Indian has more engineers than America does. It's not just down to cost of living, thus cases like Ireland, Germany, etc. It's straight-up down to going where people are actually investing in engineering, and guess what? America isn't.

If you're not going to even try to compete with developing nations, what do you expect? :shrug:
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Well Ireland is part of the complex accounting tricks played by those companies, all their cash is funneled through Ireland, and they figured why not also make it their EU HQ as well. For example the holding company that Apple uses to funnel cash to the Caymans and other places is in Cork, Ireland which is where Apple has their EU HQ. Same goes for the Netherlands and Switzerland.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
America is geographically gigantic. This is a really dishonest way of giving the numbers.

Here's something a bit more honest.

The number 2 spot is taken by the UK, which has roughly 60% of the students America has in raw numbers...

...Despite the fact that they have a quarter of the population.

Not lookin' so good anymore.
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It's looking fine. Admittedly Britain has more per capita. What does this prove? As I said, if America loses this income ($50-100 Billion) that would be devastating. Not to mention, will it recover after this, or will the trend become other country's Universities and the US loses out more permanently?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Oh, so that's why comparatively liberal Germany is taking engineering jobs from America? :lol:

I think simple mindsets like yours might have more to do with it actually.
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Germans beat Americans in math and science

Obviously their public teachers are better than the liberals who run our public schools
 
Media_Truth said:
It's looking fine. Admittedly Britain has more per capita. What does this prove? As I said, if America loses this income ($50-100 Billion) that would be devastating. Not to mention, will it recover after this, or will the trend become other country's Universities and the US loses out more permanently?
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That America isn't attracting as many students as you're pretending. Relative to size, lots of countries attract more, and retain them better too. And now that I've proved you're wrong, you're just going to pretend it didn't happen. :lol:

But also, a lot of them leave after they complete their degree. They have no reason to stay since there's not much in the US that will pay them what they're worth, or what they need to make to pay back their debt. But, on the other hand, if they leave the country and therefore have no American income, they don't have to pay back student loans. It's like hitting the reset button. So... why would they stay?
 
Mac77 said:
He sounds like a one-trick pony who knows something about technology but little else.

As for foreign students never fear

they will continue to come to America and keep the liberal professors from having to find real jobs in the private sector,
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You sound like a one trick pony who knows little about immigration policy and less about foreign students.
Liberal professors? Got any conservatives in your circle who would qualify for that level of scolarship?
 
Mac77 said:
Germans beat Americans in math and science

Obviously their public teachers are better than the liberals who run our public schools
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Um... but Germany is really super liberal. :lol:
 
Mac77 said:
Germans beat Americans in math and science

Obviously their public teachers are better than the liberals who run our public schools
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Whaat?
Why, oh why do you think school teachers are all liberals? And if they are, why the hell don't conservatives get into teaching? Is a degree in education beyond the reach of a conservative?Come to think of it, scientists are all liberals too, right? In fact, there isn't an academic field that sin't dominated by liberals, is there. Engineering, maybe, mechanical engineering anyway.
 
Grand Mal said:
Whaat?
Why, oh why do you think school teachers are all liberals? And if they are, why the hell don't conservatives get into teaching? Is a degree in education beyond the reach of a conservative?Come to think of it, scientists are all liberals too, right? In fact, there isn't an academic field that sin't dominated by liberals, is there. Engineering, maybe, mechanical engineering anyway.
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Apparently, all conservatives go into automotive repair.
 
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