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Will the US Start Losing Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

Will the US Lose Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

  • Yes, a substantial number will forego an American university.

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • Yes, but it won't be that many

    Votes: 4 11.4%

  • No, the number of foreign students will stay about the same.

    Votes: 15 42.9%

  • No, there will be an increase in the number of foreign students.

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • Total voters
    35
Media_Truth said:
So an Art teacher or a Music teacher is a failure if they don't espouse your Conservative beliefs to their non-political class?
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Non-political my ass. If that were true they wouldn't be heavily biased towards being a liberal.


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Phys251 said:
WOW. Congratulations for just ****ing all over higher education.
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I didn't. Congratulation for just ****ting all over honesty.


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Aberration said:
Those engineers came here.

If America was not competing, people wouldn't still be coming here over any other country.

Sorry but the socialist mantra that 'we' the 'public' through government are the only ones who can invest in technology and growth is just naive. And observably false. We didn't get to where we are today versus every single other country in the world because government invested in whatever.


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Except they didn't. America isn't very competitive in engineering, actually. Even a lot of American-born engineers wind up leaving.

I mean, I guess so, if you just make up your own reality to suit your beliefs.

I didn't say it was only the government investing in it, did I. Again, you and just making stuff up to suit your beliefs.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Except they didn't. America isn't very competitive in engineering, actually. Even a lot of American-born engineers wind up leaving.

I mean, I guess so, if you just make up your own reality to suit your beliefs.

I didn't say it was only the government investing in it, did I. Again, you and just making stuff up to suit your beliefs.
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Except the did, there is a reason all the big tech companies lobby for more visas. That quota is met every single year. If it was higher, it would still be met. Yeah let's pretend that America not investing in engineering was not made up to suit your beliefs. Or that we are not competitive. No that's not made up at all. Smoke and mirrors.


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If we are seen as a place where foreigners don't want to be then maybe our illegal immigration problem will get under control.
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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Like you said they are "top" universities. There is no where else to go for the best education so foreign students will continue to come here. The comment about the anti-dark people is beyond stupid!
And no there won't a be a devastating effect. We are going to lose billions because a few students might not attend school here? That is laughable. I would think there is a long line to get in to the schools.
This seems like a partisan rant................
 
There are 7.4 billion people on this planet. For every foreign student that declines their offer to attend a US university, there are countless others willing to take their place.
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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In California the reason foreign students are greeted with open arms - often at the expense of citizens - is they pay the full boat out-of-state, out-of-country tuition, plus preferred housing. The university makes a bundle on direct payments of "butt money". Domestic students are often subsidized in a variety of means, some direct, some indirect like "facility fees" i.e. the buildings, that foreign students pay... (actually their parents pay).

It's a great source of income, plus "We don't need no stinking citizens messing up the joint".
 
Aberration said:
Except the did, there is a reason all the big tech companies lobby for more visas. That quota is met every single year. If it was higher, it would still be met. Yeah let's pretend that America not investing in engineering was not made up to suit your beliefs. Or that we are not competitive. No that's not made up at all. Smoke and mirrors.

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You guys literally just parrot each other. I wonder which dumbbulb originally had that "clever" thought, which has now been passed on through DP's reality deniers for the past 4 years or so.
 
Media_Truth said:
I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.
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Just how many foreign students are coming from those six banned countries...I would say not many.
 
Taylor said:
There are 7.4 billion people on this planet. For every foreign student that declines their offer to attend a US university, there are countless others willing to take their place.
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But that would weaken the candidate pool. Particularly in STEM, where there are a sizable number of foreign students.
 
Phys251 said:
Absolutely we will. Now many foreign students haven't been very interested in US politics--until now. Because if this anti-immigrant ideology continues to get more and more cooked into Trump's policies, well, that wall might not just rise between us and Mexico but us and the whole damn world.

On a related note, while the US continues to twiddle its thumbs and refuse to increase public university funding now that the economy has been back on track, other nations, such as China, are picking up where we are choosing to leave off.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...608fbb3aaf6_story.html?utm_term=.ee37a6a811de
 
reinoe said:
A significant number of foreign students will come here so that they can overstay their visas. The U.S. is still the #1 country to come to for illegal immigrant births.
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America was 'Great' when I graduated college about the same time Lyndon Johnson & his partner in crime Ted Kennedy
were the prime movers of the Immigration Act of 1965 opening the floodgates & allowing much more foreigners of every creed,
color & country entry.

Now 'American exceptionalism' was a slogan heard as much in those days as it is now. If so, why did we need foreign types
to storm the US college landscape. Through grade school, highschool & graduation from college I never had a fellow student
from the Middle East, India, all of Asia, Africa or Latin America &that situation suited me just fine.

One of the reasons why they come here on student visas seems to be overstaying their student visas & somehow gain
legal status here. Also in the era discussed I'm sure foreigners get special preference in many ways from the colleges'
For instance Barack Obama's literary agency Acton & Dystel promoting his book in 1991 as born in Kenya & raised in
Indonesia, perhaps in an attempt to sell books. Many have theorized he went through college as a Foreign Exchnage student
in order to scam a foreign born scholarship.

I see no problem for this country losing foreign students, it will simply open the door for worthwhile Americans.
IMO since The United Federation of Teachers Albert Shanker, demanded the teachers' reinstatement. At the start of the
school year in 1968, the UFT held a strike that shut down New York City's public schools for nearly two months,
ever since then the reputation of teachering as a profession has gone down hill.
 
antiquity said:
Just how many foreign students are coming from those six banned countries...I would say not many.
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This isn't just about those 6 countries. The young Indian man that was killed by the lunatic who yelled, "Get out of my Country", in Olathe,KS was from India. The propagated message of hate that is now infiltrating America will affect anybody who looks like a Muslim or anything close.
 
slick said:
America was 'Great' when I graduated college about the same time Lyndon Johnson & his partner in crime Ted Kennedy
were the prime movers of the Immigration Act of 1965 opening the floodgates & allowing much more foreigners of every creed,
color & country entry.

Now 'American exceptionalism' was a slogan heard as much in those days as it is now. If so, why did we need foreign types
to storm the US college landscape. Through grade school, highschool & graduation from college I never had a fellow student
from the Middle East, India, all of Asia, Africa or Latin America &that situation suited me just fine.

One of the reasons why they come here on student visas seems to be overstaying their student visas & somehow gain
legal status here. Also in the era discussed I'm sure foreigners get special preference in many ways from the colleges'
For instance Barack Obama's literary agency Acton & Dystel promoting his book in 1991 as born in Kenya & raised in
Indonesia, perhaps in an attempt to sell books. Many have theorized he went through college as a Foreign Exchnage student
in order to scam a foreign born scholarship.

I see no problem for this country losing foreign students, it will simply open the door for worthwhile Americans.
IMO since The United Federation of Teachers Albert Shanker, demanded the teachers' reinstatement. At the start of the
school year in 1968, the UFT held a strike that shut down New York City's public schools for nearly two months,
ever since then the reputation of teachering as a profession has gone down hill.
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Let's see, that was before the Internet. The Berlin Wall was still up. Oh that's right - we're reverting back to walls. Maybe we should put a gigantic bubble around the entire US.
 
Media_Truth said:
Let's see, that was before the Internet. The Berlin Wall was still up. Oh that's right - we're reverting back to walls. Maybe we should put a gigantic bubble around the entire US.
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Let's see, & now we are in an era when politicians like John Kerry joyously told to last year's Northeastern
graduating class to prepare for 'borderless world'. Is that your remedy for what ails America 'A borderless world'
it's not mine!
 
Mac77 said:
He sounds like a one-trick pony who knows something about technology but little else.

As for foreign students never fear

they will continue to come to America and keep the liberal professors from having to find real jobs in the private sector,
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Academia isn't a real job?

Jesus, the anti-intellectualism and ignorance of the right never lets up.

Dumbest comment of the week.
 
Phys251 said:
Absolutely we will. Now many foreign students haven't been very interested in US politics--until now. Because if this anti-immigrant ideology continues to get more and more cooked into Trump's policies, well, that wall might not just rise between us and Mexico but us and the whole damn world.

On a related note, while the US continues to twiddle its thumbs and refuse to increase public university funding now that the economy has been back on track, other nations, such as China, are picking up where we are choosing to leave off.
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Imagine all the billions that could be saved not funneling money to illegal immigrants!
 
Grand Mal said:
Whaat?
Why, oh why do you think school teachers are all liberals? And if they are, why the hell don't conservatives get into teaching? Is a degree in education beyond the reach of a conservative?Come to think of it, scientists are all liberals too, right? In fact, there isn't an academic field that sin't dominated by liberals, is there. Engineering, maybe, mechanical engineering anyway.
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And most economists too.

And most of STEM in general.
 
Mac77 said:
School teachers are not all liberal

But so many are that the failed public schools are dominated by liberals
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What about other countries where the public school systems aren't failed? Are the schools run by conservatives in Finland or Canada?
Or is this all just hyper-partisan bullcrap, just more whining, complaining and poo-flinging by low-functioning right-whingers?
 
Kobie said:
The Trumpanzees think universities are just Liberal Indoctrination Camps. They will celebrate the further dumbing down of America. Brings it down to their level.
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They can't even think straight, everything "da liberulz this, da libs dat" and then something about socialism.
 
Van Basten said:
Academia isn't a real job?

Jesus, the anti-intellectualism and ignorance of the right never lets up.

Dumbest comment of the week.
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A unique situation happens every school day in NYC compliments of the NY Teachers Union,
here are some of the REAL JOBS of Academia

'A group of teachers, along with about six hundred others, in six larger Rubber Rooms in the city’s five boroughs,
have been accused of misconduct, such as hitting or molesting a student, or, in some cases, of incompetence,
in a system that rarely calls anyone incompetent.

The teachers have been in the Rubber Room for an average of about three years, doing the same thing every day—
which is pretty much nothing at all. Watched over by two private security guards and two city Department of Education
supervisors, they punch a time clock for the same hours that they would have kept at school—typically, eight-fifteen to
three-fifteen. Like all teachers, they have the summer off. The city’s contract with their union, the United Federation of
Teachers, requires that charges against them be heard by an arbitrator, and until the charges are resolved—the process
is often endless—they will continue to draw their salaries and accrue pensions and other benefits.

“You can never appreciate how irrational the system is until you’ve lived with it,” says Joel Klein,
the city’s schools chancellor, who was appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg seven years ago.

Neither the Mayor nor the chancellor is popular in the Rubber Room. “Before Bloomberg
and Klein took over, there was no such thing as incompetence,”
 
slick said:
A unique situation happens every school day in NYC compliments of the NY Teachers Union,
here are some of the REAL JOBS of Academia

'A group of teachers, along with about six hundred others, in six larger Rubber Rooms in the city’s five boroughs,
have been accused of misconduct, such as hitting or molesting a student, or, in some cases, of incompetence,
in a system that rarely calls anyone incompetent.

The teachers have been in the Rubber Room for an average of about three years, doing the same thing every day—
which is pretty much nothing at all. Watched over by two private security guards and two city Department of Education
supervisors, they punch a time clock for the same hours that they would have kept at school—typically, eight-fifteen to
three-fifteen. Like all teachers, they have the summer off. The city’s contract with their union, the United Federation of
Teachers, requires that charges against them be heard by an arbitrator, and until the charges are resolved—the process
is often endless—they will continue to draw their salaries and accrue pensions and other benefits.

“You can never appreciate how irrational the system is until you’ve lived with it,” says Joel Klein,
the city’s schools chancellor, who was appointed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg seven years ago.

Neither the Mayor nor the chancellor is popular in the Rubber Room. “Before Bloomberg
and Klein took over, there was no such thing as incompetence,”
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The reactionary cringe never ends.
 
Re: Will the US Start Losing Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

No, there will be an increase in the number of foreign students.
Only 1 out of 30 predicted this would be the case, if Mrs. Clinton had won
I bet 15 out of 30 would have predicted this would be the case. Elections
have consequences!
 
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