Will the US Start Losing Foreign Students and Foreign Tuition?

NIMBY said:

'failed liberal public education', There you go again, Mac77, with your failed stereotyping of public schools. You wouldn't have survived the quality public high schools here in northeast Illinois.

Too bad I can't get my students to give testimonial of how well prepared they were for the college classroom.

DeVos will be s disaster, just like trump .

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So what else is new?

every public teacher we meet claims to be from Lake Woebegone where all the public teachers are outstanding.

NIMBY said:

With GOP governors in your state of Texas since 1995, I can understand your feelings of what the GOP did to your public education .

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Most public teachers in Texas and education adminstraters graduated from the same universitiy puppy mills as the teachers in other states.

Libs run the school systems in every state

Media_Truth said:

I had lunch and dinner with an Indian (Asia) gentlemen, who is a highly technical business owner in the US. Over half of his employees are caucasian Americans. However, he is moving his business to Switzerland, because of the anti-dark-people attitudes in this country. This was evident when the former navy man shot 3 individuals in Olathe, Kansas, killing a young Indian man.

He also mentioned that the US will lose billions, as foreign students stop attending American Universities. The US has over 90 of the top 100 Universities worldwide. This could be devastating.

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Most people aren't that paranoid and stupid.

Mac77 said:

I have never met anyone from the failed liberal public education who admitted any fault on their side

The most common excuse is that the students are not good enough to learn from the brilliant teaching they have to offer

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Teachers are much more self serving then when I went to college in the middle 60's. My brothers kid took a 3 credit course at
NYU and spent $5000 to do so, he works on Wall Street so he had the money to do so. When I went to college because I knew
the dean of men he classified me as an in state student so I only had to pay $84 for 6 credits in summer school. So in 40 years
span he paif 1,667 per credit while I payed $14, that's 119 times more than I payed, & by the way the college I graduated from
is rated much higher in US News & World Report college ratings than NYU is. The teachers who may have beeb paid less than
they should have back in the day are so overpaid now it's ludicrous.

When I graduated I payed $2,600 for a new Ford Mustang Convertible now one probably goes for $30,000 or so, that's about
12X more. 119X more for college credits is crazy.

slick said:

Let's see, & now we are in an era when politicians like John Kerry joyously told to last year's Northeastern
graduating class to prepare for 'borderless world'. Is that your remedy for what ails America 'A borderless world'
it's not mine!

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What's a borderless world? As far as I know all countries still have borders. You're undoubtedly sensationalizing a statement, and probably taking it out of context. Kerry believes in a 2-state Israeli solution. That sounds like borders to me.

faithful_servant said:

Most people aren't that paranoid and stupid.

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Is it stupid to attend a university in a country that wants you, and not one that's practicing political racism? I'd say that a guy who yells, ""Get out of my Country", while shooting some Indian gentlemen is a problem, wouldn't you? I'm sure we agree on that. Take it a step further, if the same guy said the verbage, without the shooting, would that be a problem? One step further - Is it a problem to think it?

Media_Truth said:

Is it stupid to attend a university in a country that wants you, and not one that's practicing political racism? I'd say that a guy who yells, ""Get out of my Country", while shooting some Indian gentlemen is a problem, wouldn't you? I'm sure we agree on that. Take it a step further, if the same guy said the verbage, without the shooting, would that be a problem? One step further - Is it a problem to think it?

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It's a problem to be so dumb that you think that whole country is against you just because a bunch of people told it was based on one incident. That's dumb....

Media_Truth said:

What's a borderless world? As far as I know all countries still have borders. You're undoubtedly sensationalizing a statement, and probably taking it out of context. Kerry believes in a 2-state Israeli solution. That sounds like borders to me.

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A borderless world is what Kerry invisioned when he spoke at Northeastern, the Globalist took a
big hit when Trump unexpectably whipped Mrs. Clinton in November last. Maybe the country is wising up.
For the record– If the border wall cuts illegal immigration by 10% it will pay for itself.

"We hear a lot of talk about how we are becoming a 'globalized world.' But the relationships
that most people value in this country are local."

slick said:

For the record– If the border wall cuts illegal immigration by 10% it will pay for itself.

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Well somehow we shifted from "Attendance at Universities" to the "Border Wall", and I'm probably partially guilty for the change in topic.

Nonetheless, I would sure like to see your financial backup for this assertion. Does this in-depth study that you're citing, take into account the increased cost of goods (produce, etc) that Americans will be paying for produce, landscaping, tradesmen, etc? Personally, I would like to see more Americans as tradesmen. Nowadays, it's hard to find Americans that will do stucco work.

faithful_servant said:

It's a problem to be so dumb that you think that whole country is against you just because a bunch of people told it was based on one incident. That's dumb....

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Do a lot of research to come up with this answer?

Media_Truth said:

Well somehow we shifted from "Attendance at Universities" to the "Border Wall", and I'm probably partially guilty for the change in topic.

Nonetheless, I would sure like to see your financial backup for this assertion. Does this in-depth study that you're citing, take into account the increased cost of goods (produce, etc) that Americans will be paying for produce, landscaping, tradesmen, etc? Personally, I would like to see more Americans as tradesmen. Nowadays, it's hard to find Americans that will do stucco work.

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I read that figure somewhere, as you say I guess there is more than one way to look at it.

Reagardless some of this immigration stuff has to be curtailed if immigrants ever greatly outnumber
the origins of the founders, nativistic movements are necessary to insure cultural survival. A big
reason for Trump's victory!

1cumulative number of living non-native citizens.

1860 Time of Civil War

Northern Europe 2,271,661
Ireland 1,611,304
Germany 1,276,075
Canada 249,970
France 109,870

2000
Mexico 9,177,487
Caribbean 2,953,066
India 1,022,552
China 988,857
Africa 881,300

slick said:

I read that figure somewhere, as you say I guess there is more than one way to look at it.

Reagardless some of this immigration stuff has to be curtailed if immigrants ever greatly outnumber
the origins of the founders, nativistic movements are necessary to insure cultural survival. A big
reason for Trump's victory!

1cumulative number of living non-native citizens.

1860 Time of Civil War

Northern Europe 2,271,661
Ireland 1,611,304
Germany 1,276,075
Canada 249,970
France 109,870

2000
Mexico 9,177,487
Caribbean 2,953,066
India 1,022,552
China 988,857
Africa 881,300

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I don't understand the posted numbers. However, the purpose of this thread was not to argue immigration. Visiting University students are not illegal immigrants. They come here to learn at the highest levels. They pay high tuitions. They support local economies. They get educated, and return to become leaders in their country. Along the way, they learn about freedoms and democracy, and perhaps they even espouse those freedoms upon their return.

I contend that this is the apple cart that Trump is upending. His tweeting and bigotry are actually harming the case of democracy.

Funny how the 'american exceptionalism' crowd wants to throw away america's one last great export. My college is worried enough about this after the travel ban that it sent a statement - "protecting our global community of scholars" - basically vowing to defy the law and help admitted foreigners to get into the country. However, this is mostly just to encourage quality applications. After 9/11, it admitted over 100 malaysians just to ensure the usual 3 were able to secure visas and attend. WTF malaysia had to do with 9/11 i'm not sure, but we've already seen illegal tactics by border agents ("Why do you have that name? Are you muslim?")

But the travel ban and the xenophobia in america now is too well known. They're going to struggle to get high quality apps from india in particular, losing critical immigrants in the STEM field. This will extend to professors as well. What's terrible is how needless this is and how it does absolutely nothing to prevent companies operating in america from outsourcing - the real problem the deplorables should be worried about

Manc Skipper said:

If tourism is any guide, it'll fall off a cliff! nearly $200m worth lost already... Enquiries have dropped worldwide. Except for Russia!

https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2017/feb/28/us-tourism-experiences-a-trump-slump

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$200 million off just 7% fewer flights and in just 2 months in the winter...imagine how much worse this can get as his travel ban expands, people don't have to cancel flights but instead just not schedule them, and we've gained a north korea isolationist reputation. Even a 50% reduction which i certainly think is plausible would shut down entire hotels and lead to at least $20 billion lost by the time his first term is over

If we're going to force ourselves into another great depression for sake of reelecting some asshole, this one way to get the ball rolling. But here's hoping it costs him florida in the next election

Hawkeye10 said:

Where are you getting your information? According to this list 25 of the top 50 are USA:
https://www.timeshighereducation.co...gth/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

US schools keep jacking up their prices and their quality of education is slipping, because you know, most universities are not all that interested in providing education.

They sell an experience that comes with a certificate.

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None of your disapproval applies to the colleges on that list. The engineering school here would leave you in tears before the first semester ends. Can you speak a 2nd language fluently? No? Then you wouldn't be eligible for a single degree here. Unless you've actually attended these places you have no room to talk

And the very fact that so many foreigners keep shelling out $50k a year to send their kids here contradicts your statement. They're provided critical training that's widely respected back in their home countries (or wherever they go)