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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If someone is unable to pay for healthcare, they SHOULD be subsidized.

    Not for cosmetic stuff, though, that would be silly.

    Obamacare sucks at what it does in some ways, but it made things better for some people. It needs fixed or replaced with something better.
    But it should not be repealed before a replacement is ready and can at least semi-smoothly take over, because it is better than what we had before, by a narrow margin.
    Subsidies suck and tax credits suck because they do absolutely nothing to rein in healthcare costs and we just let rates rise astronomically and put the taxpayers on the hook for it all. We need to rein in the cost of healthcare instead of letting it rise astronomically without lifting a finger and then bill taxpayers for it. This is why both Obamacare and the Republican plan sucked. Both plans let healthcare costs run out of control and then merely put taxpayers on the hook for it. Good God. We already owe 20 trillion dollars.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    If Obamacare were totally repealed and not replaced with anything we would still have healthcare so saying that they are not committed to health care is erroneous. On top of that, they want it replaced, not just repealed.
    So you are a "everyone can go to the ER and be seen so everyone has healthcare kinda guy"

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So you are a "everyone can go to the ER and be seen so everyone has healthcare kinda guy"
    What the hell does that mean? We had healthcare before Obamacare. The left's biggest problem with it was that there were millions without health insurance, the costs were rising rapidly, and many people were going bankrupt. Since Obamacare was enacted, there are still millions without health insurance, many with health insurance they can't use, the costs are rising rapidly, and many people are going bankrupt. What the hell has it done?

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    What the hell does that mean? We had healthcare before Obamacare. The left's biggest problem with it was that there were millions without health insurance, the costs were rising rapidly, and many people were going bankrupt. Since Obamacare was enacted, there are still millions without health insurance, many with health insurance they can't use, the costs are rising rapidly, and many people are going bankrupt. What the hell has it done?
    There was healthcare in the 1800s as well.

    Our system had been broken decades before Obama even took office.

    Obamacare put a foot in the door that are making many Americans want something better than then and now.

    The Republicans are going to have to work longer than two weeks to improve the situation.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    There was healthcare in the 1800s as well.

    Our system had been broken decades before Obama even took office.

    Obamacare put a foot in the door that are making many Americans want something better than then and now.

    The Republicans are going to have to work longer than two weeks to improve the situation.
    The foot in the door is just a bunch of malarkey hoping for single payer, which isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. It was stupid for the Democrats to pass something they knew was a pile of crap, hoping that it would fail and when it failed the public would clamor for single payer. Anytime you pass legislation knowing that it will be nothing but a failure is just plain stupid. It led to Democratic losses in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, and now you are hoping that foot in the door will somehow cause Republicans to pass single payer? How stupid of an idea was that? Now you have lost the Supreme Court for decades to come because of that stupid idea.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    You're joking right? Please show me where Obamacare is affordable, accept to those receiving subsidies. It does absolutely nothing to control healthcare costs. Zero. Zip. Notta. Even the Medicaid expansion sticks it to both taxpayers and the providers and does nothing to control actual healthcare costs. Funny how the libs are perfectly fine with the health insurance companies getting richer and richer and richer by making taxpayers foot the bill for astronomically increasing premiums so that health insurance company's CEO's can live lives of luxury. The left could give a **** about this as long as taxpayers foot the bill. And, the middle class is getting royally screwed because their premiums keep on going up and up and they get little to no subsidies.
    Families of four with incomes up to $100,000 can get subsidies under the PPACA. The Republican bill strips all such subsidies out of the bill and makes it far more difficult for the middle class to be able to afford it. Moreover, it increased the use of HSA's, which only people that have that kind of money lying around can fund.. Expanding HSA's mean even higher deductibles, which was one of the PPACA affordability complaints.... the Republican bill would tend to drive these deductibles even higher.

    Sorry, but the PPACA plan is far more affordable than that which the Cons were proposing. The evidence of this is the CBO projection that it would lead to 14-24million losing heathcare coverage AND 20% higher premiums in the near term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The foot in the door is just a bunch of malarkey hoping for single payer, which isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. It was stupid for the Democrats to pass something they knew was a pile of crap, hoping that it would fail and when it failed the public would clamor for single payer. Anytime you pass legislation knowing that it will be nothing but a failure is just plain stupid. It led to Democratic losses in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, and now you are hoping that foot in the door will somehow cause Republicans to pass single payer? How stupid of an idea was that? Now you have lost the Supreme Court for decades to come because of that stupid idea.
    The PPACA was fundamentally designed by the Heritage Foundation, originally proposed by Republicans as an alternative to "HillaryCare" in 1994, developed and implemented with great success in Massachusetts in 2003. There is no basis to suggest that the Democrats would "know" that its going to fail. Actually, there is little evidence that it will fail in its current form, despite the Republicans best efforts to make such happen.
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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The foot in the door is just a bunch of malarkey hoping for single payer, which isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. It was stupid for the Democrats to pass something they knew was a pile of crap, hoping that it would fail and when it failed the public would clamor for single payer. Anytime you pass legislation knowing that it will be nothing but a failure is just plain stupid. It led to Democratic losses in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, and now you are hoping that foot in the door will somehow cause Republicans to pass single payer? How stupid of an idea was that? Now you have lost the Supreme Court for decades to come because of that stupid idea.
    Depends how old you are.

    I see single payer to be about 15 - 20 years away.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Families of four with incomes up to $100,000 can get subsidies under the PPACA. The Republican bill strips all such subsidies out of the bill and makes it far more difficult for the middle class to be able to afford it. Moreover, it increased the use of HSA's, which only people that have that kind of money lying around can fund.. Expanding HSA's mean even higher deductibles, which was one of the PPACA affordability complaints.... the Republican bill would tend to drive these deductibles even higher.

    Sorry, but the PPACA plan is far more affordable than that which the Cons were proposing. The evidence of this is the CBO projection that it would lead to 14-24million losing heathcare coverage AND 20% higher premiums in the near term.



    The PPACA was fundamentally designed by the Heritage Foundation, originally proposed by Republicans as an alternative to "HillaryCare" in 1994, developed and implemented with great success in Massachusetts in 2003. There is no basis to suggest that the Democrats would "know" that its going to fail. Actually, there is little evidence that it will fail in its current form, despite the Republicans best efforts to make such happen.
    Both Obamacare and the Republican plan are unaffordable. That's what I've been saying. They both suck. Americans scored no victory by the Republican plan failing. We still have unaffordability and it will get worse. Neither plan controls costs, which is the real problem.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Depends how old you are.

    I see single payer to be about 15 - 20 years away.
    Don't make any bets. It was just one year ago you guys were saying that the Republican party was dead. Now you are predicting their death 15 - 20 years from now.

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    Re: Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    Don't make any bets. It was just one year ago you guys were saying that the Republican party was dead. Now you are predicting their death 15 - 20 years from now.
    Who said it was going to be dead?

    I sure didn't.

    I thought it was fracturing.

    Fractured now as evidenced by their health care fiasco. It was a top down mess. Meanwhile we keep our pre-existing condition clause (which Americans clearly want) and that very clause is what will eventually make single payer needed.

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