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Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house

Will the Repub Health Care Plan pass the house?

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Moderate Right said:
You're joking right? Please show me where Obamacare is affordable, accept to those receiving subsidies. It does absolutely nothing to control healthcare costs. Zero. Zip. Notta. Even the Medicaid expansion sticks it to both taxpayers and the providers and does nothing to control actual healthcare costs. Funny how the libs are perfectly fine with the health insurance companies getting richer and richer and richer by making taxpayers foot the bill for astronomically increasing premiums so that health insurance company's CEO's can live lives of luxury. The left could give a **** about this as long as taxpayers foot the bill. And, the middle class is getting royally screwed because their premiums keep on going up and up and they get little to no subsidies.
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Families of four with incomes up to $100,000 can get subsidies under the PPACA. The Republican bill strips all such subsidies out of the bill and makes it far more difficult for the middle class to be able to afford it. Moreover, it increased the use of HSA's, which only people that have that kind of money lying around can fund.. Expanding HSA's mean even higher deductibles, which was one of the PPACA affordability complaints.... the Republican bill would tend to drive these deductibles even higher.

Sorry, but the PPACA plan is far more affordable than that which the Cons were proposing. The evidence of this is the CBO projection that it would lead to 14-24million losing heathcare coverage AND 20% higher premiums in the near term.

Moderate Right said:
The foot in the door is just a bunch of malarkey hoping for single payer, which isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. It was stupid for the Democrats to pass something they knew was a pile of crap, hoping that it would fail and when it failed the public would clamor for single payer. Anytime you pass legislation knowing that it will be nothing but a failure is just plain stupid. It led to Democratic losses in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, and now you are hoping that foot in the door will somehow cause Republicans to pass single payer? How stupid of an idea was that? Now you have lost the Supreme Court for decades to come because of that stupid idea.
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The PPACA was fundamentally designed by the Heritage Foundation, originally proposed by Republicans as an alternative to "HillaryCare" in 1994, developed and implemented with great success in Massachusetts in 2003. There is no basis to suggest that the Democrats would "know" that its going to fail. Actually, there is little evidence that it will fail in its current form, despite the Republicans best efforts to make such happen.
 
Moderate Right said:
The foot in the door is just a bunch of malarkey hoping for single payer, which isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. It was stupid for the Democrats to pass something they knew was a pile of crap, hoping that it would fail and when it failed the public would clamor for single payer. Anytime you pass legislation knowing that it will be nothing but a failure is just plain stupid. It led to Democratic losses in the Senate, the House, and the presidency, and now you are hoping that foot in the door will somehow cause Republicans to pass single payer? How stupid of an idea was that? Now you have lost the Supreme Court for decades to come because of that stupid idea.
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Depends how old you are.

I see single payer to be about 15 - 20 years away. :2dance:
 
upsideguy said:
Families of four with incomes up to $100,000 can get subsidies under the PPACA. The Republican bill strips all such subsidies out of the bill and makes it far more difficult for the middle class to be able to afford it. Moreover, it increased the use of HSA's, which only people that have that kind of money lying around can fund.. Expanding HSA's mean even higher deductibles, which was one of the PPACA affordability complaints.... the Republican bill would tend to drive these deductibles even higher.

Sorry, but the PPACA plan is far more affordable than that which the Cons were proposing. The evidence of this is the CBO projection that it would lead to 14-24million losing heathcare coverage AND 20% higher premiums in the near term.



The PPACA was fundamentally designed by the Heritage Foundation, originally proposed by Republicans as an alternative to "HillaryCare" in 1994, developed and implemented with great success in Massachusetts in 2003. There is no basis to suggest that the Democrats would "know" that its going to fail. Actually, there is little evidence that it will fail in its current form, despite the Republicans best efforts to make such happen.
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Both Obamacare and the Republican plan are unaffordable. That's what I've been saying. They both suck. Americans scored no victory by the Republican plan failing. We still have unaffordability and it will get worse. Neither plan controls costs, which is the real problem.
 
year2late said:
Depends how old you are.

I see single payer to be about 15 - 20 years away. :2dance:
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Don't make any bets. It was just one year ago you guys were saying that the Republican party was dead. Now you are predicting their death 15 - 20 years from now.
 
Moderate Right said:
Don't make any bets. It was just one year ago you guys were saying that the Republican party was dead. Now you are predicting their death 15 - 20 years from now.
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Who said it was going to be dead?

I sure didn't.

I thought it was fracturing.

Fractured now as evidenced by their health care fiasco. It was a top down mess. Meanwhile we keep our pre-existing condition clause (which Americans clearly want) and that very clause is what will eventually make single payer needed.
 
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