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Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 51.7%

  • No

    Votes: 17 29.3%

  • Unsure/Don't Know

    Votes: 10 17.2%

  • I was told there would be cake?

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Total voters
    58
MaggieD said:
Do you know the definition of a lie? A lie is intentional. A lie is not a mistaken belief.

Because I understand the English language a bit better than you, it would seem, even if it turns out it is NOT true, I do not think he was lying.
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So what you saying then is that Trump is not a pathological liar, but rather he is psychotic.

Trump is the president, he could have made a call over to the DOJ and asked if there was ever a FISA warrant for him or his company and had an answer in a couple of minutes.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If you on a regular basis invent facts to support your political agenda, you are a liar, it doesn't matter if you believe it if you know you made it up.
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Lies are not lies. Facts are not facts. 2 + 2 = 5 and will always equal "5".
Welcome to Trump's America.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
K, does that mean that democratic politicians can start making press conferences that Donald Trump is a child rapist? They can start holding up pictures of kids he's raped and claim it's a fact that he raped every last one of them. There's no such thing as libel, therefore you can make up any wild accusations you choose and peddle it to the press without any evidence whatsoever, right?
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That would be one of the few accusations the Left [and some on the right] have not come up with regarding Trump [or Obama for that matter].

It's completely out of control.
 
DA60 said:
The question was not would Obama sue Trump - the question was do Trump's actions constitute libel?

And if you are saying that people should not care if the sitting POTUS legally commits libel against a former POTUS - than I would say that is an extremely odd position to take.
If you are going to just blow it off if Trump commits libel against a former POTUS, than I assume you will blow it off if he starts making defamatory comments about ordinary citizens as well.

You are one sad Trumpbot is that is your position, imo.

Thinking it is not libel is one thing...I can understand that. But not even caring if the current President (no matter who they are) is committing libel or not is pretty ridiculous to me.

Clearly, you are too far down the Trumpbot in Wonderland rabbit hole to be taken seriously on these matters any longer.

So noted.


We are done here.

Good day.


Once again, I have zero political loyalty to any political party or movement.
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Or perhaps you're too far down the Obamabot in Wonderland rabbit hole, despite the after thought to claim you aren't.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So what you saying then is that Trump is not a pathological liar, but rather he is psychotic.

Trump is the president, he could have made a call over to the DOJ and asked if there was ever a FISA warrant for him or his company and had an answer in a couple of minutes.
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How do you know he did not do this?
 
MaggieD said:
Relax. Not everyone drinks the partisan Kool Ade.

I am not a birther. Thought the whole thing was stupid. And if your way of communicating with people who disagree with you is to call them poorly educated? There's something wrong with you.
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No, I call people who accept everything Trump says as facts without any evidence as poorly educated. I disagree with lots of people but still remain civil. That you're so dishonest to pretend he's not a liar even though you admit birtherism was another bull**** conspiracy theory he invented shows how insanely partisan you are. 18 months of watching him lie day in and day out and you're like "Liar? No way!". Do you have any evidence he didn't pull this libelous conspiracy theory out of his ass?

MaggieD said:
How do you know he did not do this?
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How do you know Trump isn't a child rapist with many, many victims? We have to believe it's true until proven otherwise, right?

WCH said:
That would be one of the few accusations the Left [and some on the right] have not come up with regarding Trump [or Obama for that matter].

It's completely out of control.
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You didn't answer the question. Would that be libel or not? Why shouldn't we just pull a play out of the Trump playbook and call him a pedophile? Trump made up a conspiracy theory about Obama wiretapping his phones and being a Kenyan born extremist, why can't we tell everyone he's a child rapist?

Also, you'd be hard pressed to find any mainstream claim about Trump that doesn't at least have some evidence to support it.
 
The reality is that Trump wanted to hijack the news cycle and came up with this as the way to do it. In doing that he put his own presidential credibility on the line in an attempt to destroy the previous president of the USA. That cold calculation is mind boggling.

Trump is several mentally disturbed and should be removed ASAP. He is the single greatest threat to our nation and its people if not the entire world.
 
DA60 said:
Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

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I think so, yes. So far he's presented absolutely nothing credible to back up his case.

But I don't think this any different from Trump's other nonsensical claims about other people.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't play bs games. Your post about the POTUS was partisan and small-minded like those of so many Trump opponents. I do not recognize that Trump is a compulsive liar. I DO recognize his opponents are quick to play gotcha games. As to the accuracy of his latest belief, time will tell. But if you are just rejecting it out of hand, when, from another source, it seems apparent that a warrant WAS issued? Who's the partisan now?
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Saw this OP ED this morning MaggieD.

Thought it addressed the issue pretty well.

Why Trump might suspect Obama bugged Trump Tower | New York Post

Excerpt: By Post Editorial Board March 5, 2017 | 7:19pm


But let’s face it: From the day Trump won election, his foes have waged a by-any-means-necessary campaign to overturn the results.

Officials (likely Obama-era holdovers) have broken the law and leaked what they hoped would be damaging info. Groups tied to Obama have stirred up angry protests against Trump and other Republicans.

The New York Times reported Obama’s staff purposely spread information throughout the administration that could hurt Trump, though they said the goal was to make sure the info wasn’t buried.

Critics say Trump’s wiretap claim is baseless, but what is truly lacking in solid evidence is the claim that there was some sort of collusion between Trump or his aides and Russian officials to hijack the election. Yet that’s all Trump’s foes (and much of the press) want to talk about.

Remember, too: Team Obama has a record of abusing power for political gain, as when the IRS targeted conservative groups.​
 
matchlight said:
Who cares? Does anyone really imagine Obama would sue the President over something like this, and in the process focus attention on the subject Trump has raised? That's about the last thing he wants to do.
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I would expect the Clinton Bengahzi Witch Hunters would care :mrgreen:
 
MaggieD said:
How do you know he did not do this?
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Because the FBI is urging the Justice Department to say this never happened. Thus if he did it, he is a liar. Moreover, Obama cannot order a wiretap, it requires probable cause and a FISA court order, thus Trump is a liar either way. That is unless he honestly believes that Obama magically had his phones tapped, and if that is the case, he is psychotic.
 
ocean515 said:
Saw this OP ED this morning MaggieD.

Thought it addressed the issue pretty well.

Why Trump might suspect Obama bugged Trump Tower | New York Post

Excerpt: By Post Editorial Board March 5, 2017 | 7:19pm
But let’s face it: From the day Trump won election, his foes have waged a by-any-means-necessary campaign to overturn the results.

Officials (likely Obama-era holdovers) have broken the law and leaked what they hoped would be damaging info. Groups tied to Obama have stirred up angry protests against Trump and other Republicans.

The New York Times reported Obama’s staff purposely spread information throughout the administration that could hurt Trump, though they said the goal was to make sure the info wasn’t buried.

Critics say Trump’s wiretap claim is baseless, but what is truly lacking in solid evidence is the claim that there was some sort of collusion between Trump or his aides and Russian officials to hijack the election. Yet that’s all Trump’s foes (and much of the press) want to talk about.

Remember, too: Team Obama has a record of abusing power for political gain, as when the IRS targeted conservative groups.​
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Trump has a record of cringeworthy encounters with underage teenage girls, therefore I think we can safely assume he's a child rapist. That's how this works right? In the absence of evidence we can just invent and report the story we feel is true, right?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Trump has a record of cringeworthy encounters with underage teenage girls, therefore I think we can safely assume he's a child rapist. That's how this works right? In the absence of evidence we can just invent and report the story we feel is true, right?
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Yep. That sounds about right.
 
Well this proves what I always thought about Trump and his Trumpkins ... they have no idea how The Government and The Law works.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The Russia scandal has had a slow drip of evidence over months, alongside reports from over a dozen intelligence agencies. Multiple people from the Trump campaign have had to resign or recuse themselves for contacts with Russia. It's absolutely not proven yet, but to claim it's the same as Trump pulling a conspiracy theory out of his ass with exactly zero evidence of any kind, even circumstantial, is silly. An equivalent situation would be if the only source of the Trump-Russia connection was Barack Obama's twitter account.
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There is no "slow drip of evidence". There is no evidence. None, zip, zilch, zero, nada.
 
countryboy said:
There is no "slow drip of evidence". There is no evidence. None, zip, zilch, zero, nada.
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So you're saying that nobody was hacked during the election and the emails released themselves? There is obvious evidence for a crime and it's backed up by over a dozen US intelligence agencies. Trump's conspiracy theory doesn't even present evidence that something happened in the first place. Why don't you apply that same skepticism to the claims of Dear Leader?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Trump has a record of cringeworthy encounters with underage teenage girls, therefore I think we can safely assume he's a child rapist. That's how this works right? In the absence of evidence we can just invent and report the story we feel is true, right?
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If I had to guess taking into account Obama's past behavior and his comments on Trump I would say that he did in fact have a part to play in tapping the phones of Trump. I also believe that top members of the intelligence community have been trying to get rid of Trump since the campaign.
 
DA60 said:
Did Trump Libel Obama (over the wiretapping tweets)?

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No, he just produced more evidence that he is a narcissistic fool and exposed more supporters that are foolish enough to believe is every word. We are in a very dangerous phase of American history.
 
I have tried & tried to impress upon people that Trump is not fit to be President, and typically people reply with the usual BS

What Trump did this past Saturday with the Tweets accusing Obama of wire tapping is over the top

Not only was Trump's Twitter attack on Obama a despicable act, Trump basically committed a partial political suicide via such asinine acusations

This in itself demonstrates for EVERYONE to see that Trump is unstable to the point of seriously injuring himself politically; what a dumb***

Trump's actions via his Tweets have proven my point concerning the FACT that Trump is not fit to serve as President

Trump is a known serial liar, he suffers from multiple mental issues, he is unstable (duh), he is pretty much everything one would not desire in a POTUS

Maybe this will FINALLY wake the Trumpetteers from their sleep & their blind support for such a tyrant but probably not

NO DOUBT we will see more self immolation by Trump; he will just keep burning his own ***

The REALY SAD PART = as long as Trump remains POTUS America will continue down the long flush into the proverbial toilet

The carnage that Trump spoke of in his campaign is nothing compared to the utter destruction Trump will leave in his wake as POTUS

and no, I am not kidding ................ enjoy the ride folks .............
 
Henrin said:
If I had to guess taking into account Obama's past behavior and his comments on Trump I would say that he did in fact have a part to play in tapping the phones of Trump. I also believe that top members of the intelligence community have been trying to get rid of Trump since the campaign.
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You also believe that Trump is an honest man, Obama is a kenyan muslim plant, and poor people should be left to die with treatable diseases, so I don't think anyone gives one flying **** what you believe. If we need an anarchist conspiracy nut's opinion we know where to find you.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Because the FBI is urging the Justice Department to say this never happened. Thus if he did it, he is a liar. Moreover, Obama cannot order a wiretap, it requires probable cause and a FISA court order, thus Trump is a liar either way. That is unless he honestly believes that Obama magically had his phones tapped, and if that is the case, he is psychotic.
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He is mentally disturbed. That is clear. The question we should be asking is what steps now need to be taken to remove the man from his office before his mental state seriously injures our nation and its people.
 
countryboy said:
There is no "slow drip of evidence". There is no evidence. None, zip, zilch, zero, nada.
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Exactly. It was a distraction that started because Democrats didn't want anyone to take seriously the leaks from Clinton's e-mails and then morphed into a way to get rid of Trump.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, I call people who accept everything Trump says as facts without any evidence as poorly educated. I disagree with lots of people but still remain civil. That you're so dishonest to pretend he's not a liar even though you admit birtherism was another bull**** conspiracy theory he invented shows how insanely partisan you are. 18 months of watching him lie day in and day out and you're like "Liar? No way!". Do you have any evidence he didn't pull this libelous conspiracy theory out of his ass?

How do you know Trump isn't a child rapist with many, many victims? We have to believe it's true until proven otherwise, right?
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Case on point: I could call the bolded text above a bold-faced lie because it's not true. Donald Trump did not "invent" the birther conspiracy. He bought into it, but he did not invent it. Are you lying?? Or are you mistaken? Which is it? A lie?? Or a mistake??

April 2008 – Supporters of Hillary Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, circulate an email suggesting that he was born in Kenya.
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From the timeline of the conspiracy theory... The Obama 'birther' conspiracy timeline - Telegraph

And, if I may, you need coffee or something. You are waaaay too worked up over this.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Trump has a record of cringeworthy encounters with underage teenage girls, therefore I think we can safely assume he's a child rapist. That's how this works right? In the absence of evidence we can just invent and report the story we feel is true, right?
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I'm sure you get all excited at the dog whistles you're alt-left sources blow for you, but in the absence of evidence, they just invent and report the story they feel with get the pack barking the loudest, right?
 
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