Where do you think the Republican Party needs to go ideologically?

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

All they have to do is follow the path Trump has given them, he's on the right Track!

Moderate Right said:

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

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They are in a state much like the dems where it seems like several rather unsavory movements are pulling in different directions. I don't like any of it. Either I'm ideologically opposed to the movements or they simply don't make sense (an example of nonsense : Trump tax cuts and massive spending increases - Sanders had a version for the left).

The same place the Democratic Party needs to go...straight to the trash heap.

Honestly, it depends upon what their goal is:

-If the goal is to win as many elections as practical in the short term, then the hyperbolic-right trajectory seems to be working a bit.

-If the goal is long-term party stability and actual control of government, they need to follow businesses toward the center.

Thing is, they don't even need to call it 'towards the center,' because they can literally just redefine their position and incorporate the goals of younger generations in to a new definition of republicanism.

Moderate Right said:

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

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Keep doing what they are doing.

Born Free said:

Keep doing what they are doing.

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Which, up until this last election, was losing.

Conservatism, conservatism, conservatism!

Cephus said:

Which, up until this last election, was losing.

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It hasn't lost since 2008.

Moderate Right said:

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

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According to Gallup the Republican Party is seen in a favorable light by 40% of all Americans vs. 45% seeing the Democratic Party favorably. But also according to Gallup, the GOP base now stands at 31% of the electorate. that is the same as the Democratic base with independents at 37% of the total electorate. You have to go back to 2010 to find a time when the GOP base was higher than it is today, back then it reached 33%. But between November of 2010 till today, the Republicans were in the mid to upper 20 percent range. The Democrats were at 35% in November of 2012. So it would seem the two parties strength is relatively even although the Democratic Party is seen in a more favorable light by all Americans as a whole although more Americans have an unfavorable view of both parties than favorable.

So the question becomes is how does the Republican Party begin to attract independents? Most independents feel that the two major parties have left them high and dry as one moves right and the other farther left. Independents are not as ideological as those who affiliate with the two major parties. They tend to be in the center, center right and center left. Not at the extremes where the two major parties are. But independents are very finicky when it comes to voting. With Trump as president, since most independents vote their pocket book, a good thriving economy would win the majority of their votes. An economy in the dumps, they will jump to the Democrats.

Most independents don't give a hoot which bathroom a transgender uses or even if a wall is built. They do care that if their job looks and feels safe, if the future looks bright to them, if their is hope for improvement in their lives. Pocket book wise and the feeling of safety. If Trump and the Republicans can accomplish this, movement ideological wise becomes irrelevant. If not, independents will be looking to return the Democrats to power. It is quite that simple.

If I had my way the ideological spectrum between the two parties would be from Susan Collins on the right to Claire McCaskill on the left, but not enough people that feel the way I do vote in the party primaries.

Moderate Right said:

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

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As far away from Alex Jones and the Tea Party as they can get.

DA60 said:

The same place the Democratic Party needs to go...straight to the trash heap.

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I don't think either party are going to go away. So, let me make this prediction: the party that embraces labor, will win in the long run.

I quoted you because 2012 was a DEM federal success, though 2010, 2014 and 2016 were disasters. While GOPs had an autopsy in 2012, DEMs stupidly haven't had one since 2010. The post is taking me about an hour and is mostly for the thread but it's got some of my best stuff.

There are 5 vacant seats in the US House right now, as it stands 237-193. The link to the green papers after your post goes to 2017 and requires time to go back to previous elections or anything else.

As long as I've been using it, I found new things again tonight, such as 'close state legislative races'. Right now, I have to use another link for 'presidential vote by congressional district' as well as another link for state races in all 50 states. I can't find ALL state legislative races on this link, just the close ones.

Search REDMAP if you care to find out what GOPs did to clobber DEMs in 2010. Another great search is Chris Jankowski.

apdst said:

It hasn't lost since 2008.

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The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017

It would take the rest of my life to explain everything in this site on DP and I still wouldn't come close.

I think you'll view 2012 a little differently if you go to '2012 clicks' on this site.

I think you'll find the CD maps for every state quite interesting, for example, not to mention vote totals.

This is a non-blog site and goes back to elections starting in 2000.

Perotista said:

According to Gallup the Republican Party is seen in a favorable light by 40% of all Americans vs. 45% seeing the Democratic Party favorably. But also according to Gallup, the GOP base now stands at 31% of the electorate. that is the same as the Democratic base with independents at 37% of the total electorate. You have to go back to 2010 to find a time when the GOP base was higher than it is today, back then it reached 33%. But between November of 2010 till today, the Republicans were in the mid to upper 20 percent range. The Democrats were at 35% in November of 2012. So it would seem the two parties strength is relatively even although the Democratic Party is seen in a more favorable light by all Americans as a whole although more Americans have an unfavorable view of both parties than favorable.

So the question becomes is how does the Republican Party begin to attract independents? Most independents feel that the two major parties have left them high and dry as one moves right and the other farther left. Independents are not as ideological as those who affiliate with the two major parties. They tend to be in the center, center right and center left. Not at the extremes where the two major parties are. But independents are very finicky when it comes to voting. With Trump as president, since most independents vote their pocket book, a good thriving economy would win the majority of their votes. An economy in the dumps, they will jump to the Democrats.

Most independents don't give a hoot which bathroom a transgender uses or even if a wall is built. They do care that if their job looks and feels safe, if the future looks bright to them, if their is hope for improvement in their lives. Pocket book wise and the feeling of safety. If Trump and the Republicans can accomplish this, movement ideological wise becomes irrelevant. If not, independents will be looking to return the Democrats to power. It is quite that simple.

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Please see my post 14 and let me know what you think.

I'll try to get back to your last couple messages soon .

apdst said:

It hasn't lost since 2008.

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You lost in 2012, and would have lost in 2016 if Clinton wasn't the nominee.

The Trump Party is HOME!

In the long run, the GOP needs to try and win more minority voters if they want to stay relevant as a party. Right now, they barely won with Trump on the strength of white voters. As the "non white" electorate grows, winning elections simply with white support won't work. I'd even go as far as to say Trump's win was a fluke. I believe the 2012 GOP autopsy was correct...and I believe the establishment GOP still believes in that autopsy report. I believe once Trump slimes his way out of office, the next GOP president will be someone like Kasich.

Moderate Right said:

This is the opposite of the other poll. Just curious.

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In theory its simple. Ignore, expose and or disassociate themselves from the extremists. Do not let social issues be the driver of the party of the party and the stereotypical party identification. Focus on fiscal conservatism and do not use the same hyperbolic rhetoric that the extremist use to support fiscal conservatism.

Perotista said:

According to Gallup the Republican Party is seen in a favorable light by 40% of all Americans vs. 45% seeing the Democratic Party favorably. But also according to Gallup, the GOP base now stands at 31% of the electorate. that is the same as the Democratic base with independents at 37% of the total electorate. You have to go back to 2010 to find a time when the GOP base was higher than it is today, back then it reached 33%. But between November of 2010 till today, the Republicans were in the mid to upper 20 percent range. The Democrats were at 35% in November of 2012. So it would seem the two parties strength is relatively even although the Democratic Party is seen in a more favorable light by all Americans as a whole although more Americans have an unfavorable view of both parties than favorable.

So the question becomes is how does the Republican Party begin to attract independents? Most independents feel that the two major parties have left them high and dry as one moves right and the other farther left. Independents are not as ideological as those who affiliate with the two major parties. They tend to be in the center, center right and center left. Not at the extremes where the two major parties are. But independents are very finicky when it comes to voting. With Trump as president, since most independents vote their pocket book, a good thriving economy would win the majority of their votes. An economy in the dumps, they will jump to the Democrats.

Most independents don't give a hoot which bathroom a transgender uses or even if a wall is built. They do care that if their job looks and feels safe, if the future looks bright to them, if their is hope for improvement in their lives. Pocket book wise and the feeling of safety. If Trump and the Republicans can accomplish this, movement ideological wise becomes irrelevant. If not, independents will be looking to return the Democrats to power. It is quite that simple.

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Good analysis.

NIMBY said:

I quoted you because 2012 was a DEM federal success, though 2010, 2014 and 2016 were disasters. While GOPs had an autopsy in 2012, DEMs stupidly haven't had one since 2010. The post is taking me about an hour and is mostly for the thread but it's got some of my best stuff.

There are 5 vacant seats in the US House right now, as it stands 237-193. The link to the green papers after your post goes to 2017 and requires time to go back to previous elections or anything else.

As long as I've been using it, I found new things again tonight, such as 'close state legislative races'. Right now, I have to use another link for 'presidential vote by congressional district' as well as another link for state races in all 50 states. I can't find ALL state legislative races on this link, just the close ones.

Search REDMAP if you care to find out what GOPs did to clobber DEMs in 2010. Another great search is Chris Jankowski.



The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017

It would take the rest of my life to explain everything in this site on DP and I still wouldn't come close.

I think you'll view 2012 a little differently if you go to '2012 clicks' on this site.

I think you'll find the CD maps for every state quite interesting, for example, not to mention vote totals.

This is a non-blog site and goes back to elections starting in 2000.

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I would say 2010 and 2014 were disasters for the Democrats, but not 2012 and perhaps 2016 if one get past the White House, pretty darn close. I haven't delved into state legislative races outside of a glance every once in a long while. In 2016 Clinton did win the popular vote by close to 3 million, the Democrats did pick up 2 senate seats and 6 house seats. Governors wise Missouri, Vermont and New Hampshire switched to the Republicans, North Carolina went Democratic. 2016 certainly wasn't a wipe out although the lost of the presidency might make it seem so. But 2016 basically showed both parties at relatively even strength. What this portrays to 2018 is anyone's guess at the moment. But if Trump remains as unpopular as he is, I would expect big Democratic gains in the House, the numbers are against the Democrats in the senate. As for governors, you're the expert there.

History shows that in the first mid term the party that holds the white house loses seats in congress, sometimes rather big as happened in 1954, 1966, 1970, 1978, 1982, 1990, 1994 and 2010. 9-11 pushed Bush's first mid term back to his second mid term where he lost 33 seats. But every president since Eisenhower through today lost seats in congress in their first mid term with the exception of the second Bush. His first mid term loses pushed back 4 years due to 9-11.

Right now the two parties are fairly even in both being disliked by over 50% of all Americans and in the strength of their base. The strength of each party is at 30% each of the total electorate with independents making up the remaining 40%. But since the inauguration independents lean Democrat has increased from being even with independents lean Republican on election to an advantage of 18-12 over independents lean Republican with 10% of the 40% being what I term pure or true independents with no leans. So today the numbers point to a good Democratic 2018 election. But that is so far off and these numbers so dynamic, they mean little to nothing today. Just give us an idea where things stand. But a look at Trump's job approval numbers will tell you that.

Puigb said:

You lost in 2012, and would have lost in 2016 if Clinton wasn't the nominee.

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The Republicans have dominated every election cycle since 2010. We took the national, state and local levels.

Cephus said:

Which, up until this last election, was losing.

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You don't seem to have been watching.

The only elected office in America that has been consistently held by the Dems over the last 8 years is the US Presidency.

In every other level of government from state houses up, the Dems have lost more than 1000 seats over the last 8 years.

The Dems are now a regional party with views far outside the main stream. They've been out of the main stream for decades, but the word is finally leaking out.

If you are NOT a gender drifting, unemployed minority with no legal status to vote, the Dems really don't want you in their party.

If you want a job and see hard work as a noble endeavor, you are reviled and shunned by the Dems.

jet57 said:

I don't think either party are going to go away. So, let me make this prediction: the party that embraces labor, will win in the long run.

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Interestingly, Trump seems to have finally bridged the gap between embracing labor and embracing employers.

The morons in our press don't seem to get it and see these two groups as opponents locked in a struggle.

The job seekers will not find a job if the job providers aren't there to offer them.

The Democrats and their sycophantic stenographers in the press see the workers as the oppressed and the employers as oppressors.

This is not different than seeing the people who eat apples as oppressed and the people who grow apples as oppressors.

If nobody grows the apples, nobody can eat the apples.

If nobody grows the jobs, nobody can work the jobs.

Trump has finally provided the logical link that the jobs creators and the jobs fillers are working TOGETHER. You can't get a job if there are no jobs to get.

The folks in the press still see this in the way that Marx presented it, but the world reality is now embraced by the population.

As long as the Democrats and the press are gripped by the Marxist description of the world, they will not "get it", meaning, understand Trump's appeal.

Puigb said:

In the long run, the GOP needs to try and win more minority voters if they want to stay relevant as a party. Right now, they barely won with Trump on the strength of white voters. As the "non white" electorate grows, winning elections simply with white support won't work. I'd even go as far as to say Trump's win was a fluke. I believe the 2012 GOP autopsy was correct...and I believe the establishment GOP still believes in that autopsy report. I believe once Trump slimes his way out of office, the next GOP president will be someone like Kasich.

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What are you talking about?

Republicans control a majority of State Houses, Governorships, the Senate, the House and the White House.

Are you the Black Night?