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Do men or women have more rights or do they have equal rights?

Do men or women have equal rights or the same rights

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Nilly said:
Oh look. Henrin misrepresenting feminism. Shocker.
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Male feminists are like a gay guy in Saudi Arabia thinking his country love gays.
 
Women definitely have more rights but only because of sexist laws that are enforced by cops and upheld in the Court system. These laws are about reproductive rights, child support, custody... etc.
 
Henrin said:
If a boy acts like a boy and a man defends it as such it's seen as unacceptable, but if a women defends a girl doing whatever the **** she wants it's girl power.

Why is it seen as wrong for a boy to act like a boy?

You see, society doesn't see the sexism, but it's hard for me to miss.

Isn't it a bit weird that a society that thinks men were born wrong and shouldn't act like boys is somehow sexist against women? Women are encouraged to be anything they want in life, while boys are told they are ****ed up. Yup, that sexism against women alright.

Btw, people should look at pictures from the Woman's march to see boys carrying around signs that shamed boys for being boys and right next to them girls running around with girl power signs.
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We see the source and continuation of the problem here at DP all the time. If a man suggests that there are some inequalities regarding laws and rights he is immediately branded a misogynist by sexist people. The real head scratcher is that many of these accusers are men. Women can incorrectly whine about making 70 cents to the dollar and that is fine... but if a man points out it is incorrect he hates women. These people are so vile that they attack wives and children of these men too... it is disgusting and we can see the pathetic whining sexist morons here at DP daily... the sad part is that they also live in the real world.
 
Henrin said:
Anyway, my vote goes to women having more rights. Why?

Well...

1. Women have the right to choose parenthood, while men don't.
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At best that is debatable
2. Women have the right to genital integrity, while men don't.
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huh?
3. Men have to sign up for the draft, while women don't.
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the lack of requirement to sign up for selective service is not a right. It's a moot point anyway since if we face an existential war requiring the draft women will be required to work towards the war effort
4. Women get to give away their children without the man's consent (safe haven laws)
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I'm aware of no cases where a woman abandoned a child the father was willing to care for
5. Women are the assumed caregivers of children, while men are not. (I don't see how the law can fix this one)
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this is maybe the only thing you are right on
6. Men are given longer sentences for the same crime.
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irrelevant, women commit a tiny fraction of. Violent crime and probably don't have criminal history triggering mandatory sentencing when they do
7. Rape laws are still written in a way that excludes male rape victims.
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completely false.

There is other issues like domestic abuse cases and family court issues, but that is mostly because of beliefs in society, not so much law.
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and the cold hard statistical facts
 
Bodhisattva said:
We see the source and continuation of the problem here at DP all the time. If a man suggests that there are some inequalities regarding laws and rights he is immediately branded a misogynist by sexist people. The real head scratcher is that many of these accusers are men. Women can incorrectly whine about making 70 cents to the dollar and that is fine... but if a man points out it is incorrect he hates women. These people are so vile that they attack wives and children of these men too... it is disgusting and we can see the pathetic whining sexist morons here at DP daily... the sad part is that they also live in the real world.
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Definitely. No one can imagine how much abuse is suffered by public figures who speak about discrimination faced by men. The abuse they suffer for defending the rights of male victims is unimaginable to us.

Ms Karen Straughan, MP Philip Davies, Cassie Jaye, Bettina Arndt and many others are real heroes of our time. They endure abuse from thousands SJW fascists to helping male victims.

I am not a hero -- I am afraid to talk on a popular platform. Like 99% of common mundane people we are afraid.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
At best that is debatable
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How is it debatable? Women can abort while men are provided no choice after a child is conceived. How is that debatable?

huh?
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FGM is banned, while MGM is not. I thought I was being pretty straight forward really.

the lack of requirement to sign up for selective service is not a right. It's a moot point anyway since if we face an existential war requiring the draft women will be required to work towards the war effort
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Why would they be required to work towards the war effort? They won't be drafted, so they won't be required to do anything involving the military. Are you talking about something else?

I'm aware of no cases where a woman abandoned a child the father was willing to care for
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Safe Haven laws don't require the state to ask.

irrelevant, women commit a tiny fraction of. Violent crime and probably don't have criminal history triggering mandatory sentencing when they do
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Wait..so men should get high sentences for the same crime because men commit more crime? That's ****ed up.

completely false.
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Great rebuttal my man.

and the cold hard statistical facts
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What do you mean by that?
 
SCitizen said:
Definitely. No one can imagine how much abuse is suffered by public figures who speak about discrimination faced by men. The abuse they suffer for defending the rights of male victims is unimaginable to us.

Ms Karen Straughan, MP Philip Davies, Cassie Jaye, Bettina Arndt and many others are real heroes of our time. They endure abuse from thousands SJW fascists to helping male victims.

I am not a hero -- I am afraid to talk on a popular platform. Like 99% of common mundane people we are afraid.
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Never heard of most of those people, but I believe Karen Straughan has more or less became irrelevant as of late.
 
You know what drives women crazy more than wage equality?

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Henrin said:
I believe Karen Straughan has more or less became irrelevant as of late.
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She is much more relevant then by far most of us. Most users of DP, including me would be afraid to speak to a wide audience.
 
SCitizen said:
She is much more relevant then by far most of us. Most users of DP, including me would be afraid to speak to a wide audience.
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I'm just saying she has kind of fallen off the map within the male movements.
 
Henrin said:
I'm just saying she has kind of fallen off the map within the male movements.
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Everyone who is subject to SJW onslaught has to take vacations.

We should never underestimate heroism of those who stand up for male victims at a tremendous personal price.

And I was never a major figure -- I am like most people.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Women

They are free now as long as like anything they do it rationally. Like most issues if it's brought up in retaliation to the opposite, if it's greatly exaggerated or if it's done while denying the other side it won't work out well. This is true of all discussion really, just like during the election it was hard to take anybody seriously that said they were voting for Clinton or Trump because the other one is a liar or not trustworthy. Men do in fact face discrimination or at least different treatment (double standards) often. If one denies that, well they are part of the issue.
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The fact you have to state this shows your belief that men don't actually face discrimination.
 
No perfect, cookie cutter, equal rights option is truly possible with different sexes for example how many Americans truly want WOMEN to be drafted like men..
 
FreeThink said:
No perfect, cookie cutter, equal rights option is truly possible with different sexes for example how many Americans truly want WOMEN to be drafted like men..
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I didn't want women's role in the military to be expanded and it happened anyway. Since women can now do anything they want in the military there is really no reason left to not have them drafted like men. If women want the role of protector then they have to realize that it's not really voluntary.
 
RetiredUSN said:
In my house?

I can win a argument and go hungry, or fold up like a cheap lawn chair.............. and eat like a king!
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Or make your own food.
 
Rights by law, yes.

Equal opportunity, that being an aspect of equal rights? No.
 
FreeThink said:
No perfect, cookie cutter, equal rights option is truly possible with different sexes for example how many Americans truly want WOMEN to be drafted like men..
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What the majority wants is irrelevant to what is equal.

Just look at Southern Slavery for instance.
 
Henrin said:
I don't have arguments in my house because I live alone. :D The benefit of her having her place and you having yours is that you get more time to yourself and less time dealing with her ****. Don't get me wrong I love her, but experience tells me that living with a woman is a really dumb thing to do. Plus, these days both men and women know how to do everything around the house, so there is simply no point. In the past she would cook for you, but now women want men to do that too, so what is the point? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. Ladies, the fact is roles provide me a reason for you to be in the house. Without that then you're just annoying to have around all the time.
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Replace all the feminine pronouns with masculine ones and the above still holds true.
 
Groogrux said:
Replace all the feminine pronouns with masculine ones and the above still holds true.
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Not really. The point of the comment was to speak towards women demanding role changes in the household and how that affected the overall benefit of having them in the house. Men didn't demand a change in that regard, but just were never useful in the first place. :mrgreen: The only comment that really works both ways I guess is the first part about not dealing with other the gender, but the complaints each gender has about the other are commonly different.
 
Henrin said:
Not really. The point of the comment was to speak towards women demanding role changes in the household and how that affected the overall benefit of having them in the house. Men didn't demand a change in that regard, but just were never useful in the first place. :mrgreen: The only comment that really works both ways I guess is the first part about not dealing with other the gender, but the complaints each gender has about the other are commonly different.
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Traditionally, men's usefulness amounted to their paycheck. Women took care of the house and kids because dad was out working hard all day to provide for the family. Now we see women with just as much earning power as men. A lot of women no longer feel indebted to men for providing a certain standard of living. But yes, both sexes enjoy living without out the others BS much more so than in the past. My mother has been living solo for the last 15 years by choice. She's kicking herself for not discovering that joy sooner.
 
Groogrux said:
Traditionally, men's usefulness amounted to their paycheck. Women took care of the house and kids because dad was out working hard all day to provide for the family. Now we see women with just as much earning power as men. A lot of women no longer feel indebted to men for providing a certain standard of living. But yes, both sexes enjoy living without out the others BS much more so than in the past. My mother has been living solo for the last 15 years by choice. She's kicking herself for not discovering that joy sooner.
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What BS does the man provide besides not listening to the demands of the woman?
 
Henrin said:
What BS does the man provide besides not listening to the demands of the woman?
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The same BS a woman provides. It's not gender specific, just the daily hassles of living with another human being.
 
Groogrux said:
The same BS a woman provides. It's not gender specific, just the daily hassles of living with another human being.
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So you're telling men demand things be done around the house? I guess some men do, but I find it very hard to believe it's at all comparable.
 
Henrin said:
So you're telling men demand things be done around the house? I guess some men do, but I find it very hard to believe it's at all comparable.
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Some demand meals to be cooked, laundry to be done AND they pee all over the toilet seat and it splashes on the floor.
 
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