Was Trump elected because of Obama's presidency?

Partial, the other reason that Democrats picked the worst candidate of all time.

earthworm said:

So very true , showing that our people were ready for a Trump. I think the ''rate of progression" was too fast ..40% of us were not ready for minority advanced rights, Muslim rights , etc ..

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I disagree. I am a strong proponent of rights. Securing our border has nothing to do with rights. Prosecuting and removing people with no respect for our laws or our immigration policy is not a violation of rights in any way. Not letting millions of law abiding people immigrate into this country but instead rewarding criminals is wrong. I think background checks need to be made on everyone immigrating to this country as well as people visiting. This is not a violation of rights.

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40% were not buying into the lies and bull the left and Hillary was trying too shovel down our throat.

Trump was elected president because the American people have lost all faith in both parties doing anything the say or promise. Both parties have turned their back on the hard working people all across this country.

While the poor still vote democrat to preserve their government subsidies they will never achieve the American dream without a job that pays a livable wage. As more and more people become dependent on government to survive there are less and less people making enough money to pay for these programs. The end result is the loss of the American dream for everyone.

This is why Trump was elected. People are hoping a drastic change will bring about more jobs that pay a livable wage removing people from government dependence and eventually achieving the American Dream. Something both parties have completely lost sight of in their quest to serve the rich and powerful that own them.

Puigb said:

Many (myself included) believe Trump was elected because of Obama. I suspect that liberals and conservatives disagree on the reasons why, but i suspect that most would agree that if Hillary had won in 2008 instead of Obama, Trump would have never been president. Just curious to see what the members here think.

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No, I think that what happened is two fold: Democratic voters in large numbers stayed home protesting, and a great many voters just flipped off washing D.C and it's "same old crap". Everybody and I'm sure even Trump himself was shocked by his win.

haymarket said:

The Clinton victory in the vote of the American people.

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Trump's victory come according to the United States Constitution.

It is every bit as sound and logical as any other claim about where the 2.8 million votes came from that gave Clinton the popular vote win.

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So what? That is not the way the Constitution says it works.

Every run counts the same as any other run no matter how it is scored or in what inning it is scored.

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Only the last and winning run decides the game.

There we have it - the Clinton popular vote win.

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Up your meds.

The Clinton votes from California were calculated between her 30 million and 45 million mark.

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I guess the answer to that would be kick Jerry Brown out and put in Hillary as president of California after California secedes from the union. Works for me.

There is no election for 49 states. It is a national election for the entire nation.

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You got me there....and Trump won.

Trump has no lead. He lost the popular vote by over 2.8 million votes of the American people.

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But, but he won the election...shouldn't/can't you get over your obsession with hate over Trump's victory over your inferior candidate.

antiquity said:

Trump's victory come according to the United States Constitution.

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Who has said otherwise?

So what? That is not the way the Constitution says it works.

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Who said otherwise?

Only the last and winning run decides the game.

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Every run counts the same.

Up your meds.

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Personal insults only accent the weakness of your argument.

I guess the answer to that would be kick Jerry Brown out and put in Hillary as president of California after California secedes from the union. Works for me.

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Clinton did not run for President of California so that is irrelevant.



You got me there....and Trump won.



But, but he won the election...shouldn't/can't you get over your obsession with hate over Trump's victory over your inferior candidate

haymarket said:

IT depends on who it is. If somebody honestly asks me if I support so and so I normally will be happy to reply. If somebody I have engaged with many times and dark well has proven in the past that they are twisting and perverting my views - I will dig in my heels and take the hard line demanding they produce the views they claim I hold.

In this case its MasterPO in his post 152 as follows



The tone is insulting to begin with... bunny hopping.. leaving jelly beans ..... and then applies four different views to me. You want to take that sort of insulting tone - okay - so now prove your claims. That is my attitude and I feel it is warranted.

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:2wave:

haymarket said:

Why don't you supply a quote from Haymarket saying things for himself or else shut your piehole and let Haymarket speak for himself?

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TurtleDude said:

If Hillary had won in 2008, the last election would have probably been the second term of Mitt Romney

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Possibly, but then again you underestimate the power of an incumbent.

Puigb said:

Many (myself included) believe Trump was elected because of Obama. I suspect that liberals and conservatives disagree on the reasons why, but i suspect that most would agree that if Hillary had won in 2008 instead of Obama, Trump would have never been president. Just curious to see what the members here think.

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Yes he won because Obama was president. HE would have most likely also won if Clinton was president for 8 years instead of Obama.Your average voter isn't rock solid in their political beliefs. Nor is your average voter actually knowledgeable in politics. If you look at many past elections it would appear that voters in general swing like a clock pendulum. It seems in the past 100 years they vote for one party for 8 t0 12 years (with exception to Roosevelt and Truman who serve a total of 20 years) when they get sick of that party they vote for the other party. Clinton would have done the same **** as Obama and faced the same republican opposition, contrary to lib-tard belief republicans did not Oppose Obama because of his skin color. The only way Clinton being president instead of Obama would have contributed to Trump losing is if Democrats did not prop up someone as ****ty as Clinton.

jamesrage said:

Yes he won because Obama was president. HE would have most likely also won if Clinton was president for 8 years instead of Obama.Your average voter isn't rock solid in their political beliefs. Nor is your average voter actually knowledgeable in politics. If you look at many past elections it would appear that voters in general swing like a clock pendulum. It seems in the past 100 years they vote for one party for 8 t0 12 years (with exception to Roosevelt and Truman who serve a total of 20 years) when they get sick of that party they vote for the other party. Clinton would have done the same **** as Obama and faced the same republican opposition, contrary to lib-tard belief republicans did not Oppose Obama because of his skin color. The only way Clinton being president instead of Obama would have contributed to Trump losing is if Democrats did not prop up someone as ****ty as Clinton.

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I don't disagree entirely, but I think the rise of Trump started with the birther issue. Without that, as well as the whole "I'm going to build a wall" nonsense, Trump wouldn't have gone anywhere. I think a Hillary presidency from 2009-2017 would have led to a GOP president in 2017...just not Trump.

Puigb said:

I don't disagree entirely, but I think the rise of Trump started with the birther issue. Without that, as well as the whole "I'm going to build a wall" nonsense, Trump wouldn't have gone anywhere. I think a Hillary presidency from 2009-2017 would have led to a GOP president in 2017...just not Trump.

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Trump is a flip flopper and has had presidential ambitions for awhile(although when he first mentioned the idea of running for president he though Oprah Winfrey would make a good vie president) and says what he thinks will make him popular. Because before he jumped on the birther tard bandwagon he was praising Obama.Before he was running for president he was praising Clinton.He donated to many democrat and RINO republican candidates whose views contradict what he campaigned on.Before he was for the wall he said Mitt Romney was too tough on illegals. Considering the fact Clinton is an illegal alien ass kisser just as much as Obama, Trump probably would still be talking about a wall/

jamesrage said:

Trump is a flip flopper and has had presidential ambitions for awhile(although when he first mentioned the idea of running for president he though Oprah Winfrey would make a good vie president) and says what he thinks will make him popular. Because before he jumped on the birther tard bandwagon he was praising Obama.Before he was running for president he was praising Clinton.He donated to many democrat and RINO republican candidates whose views contradict what he campaigned on.Before he was for the wall he said Mitt Romney was too tough on illegals. Considering the fact Clinton is an illegal alien ass kisser just as much as Obama, Trump probably would still be talking about a wall/

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I guess we'll never know, but I agree that Trump says whatever is convenient for him at the time.