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Gender Pay Gap a Myth

IS the Gender Pay Gap a Myth?

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Bodhisattva said:
Interesting. We have women here who complain about not being in as many leadership positions. Seems like each time a woman is hired to one she is off having a baby and then taking a year off or taking lots of time to care for sick kids. Generally when they return they are not as focused to maintain the same level of work load or effort. Not all obviously, but enough to notice. Once the women are a bit older they are back on track focused and career oriented again but many times that means that they are years behind in time worked. Now, as a teacher that doesn't matter. Work a certain number of years and get X amount of dollars no matter what... but in many fields that is not the case.
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And then a decade or so later maybe bail again and for good to take care of a parent. I think crunch time is when these women try to come back but not only are they behind on skills now because they have been out of the game so they need to be retrained up before they can even begin, and not only has their contact list likely shrunk greatly in the interim, but they face resentment for their clear demonstration that something else was more important than the work and/or the organization, and an assumption that since they have already done it once they are much more likely to do it again, which of course they are.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Way to miss the point... where in there does it state that women make less for the same job? It doesn't.

I would say read it again, but...
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Not sure what your point is. You claim the gender gap is a myth...and then post a bunch of links that say it isn't.

So what exactly is your point, Bodi?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
How do you know? What job was it? Was it the same job (you don't say)? How do you know he didn't ask for a raise? Did he have a higher degree or more training? Did he come from a relative field? Did you take off time to have kids ever? How about time to care for sick kids?
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I asked. Layout. Yes. He just started. No. No. No. No. Anymore questions?
 
Bodhisattva said:
CBS news

According to all the media headlines about a new White House report, there's still a big pay gap between men and women in America. The report found that women earn 75 cents for every dollar men make. Sounds pretty conclusive, doesn't it? Well, it's not. It's misleading.

The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth - CBS News

Debunking the Myth of a Mythical Gender Pay Gap | BillMoyers.com

Wall Street Journal

The '77 Cents on the Dollar' Myth About Women's Pay

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

Fortune Magazine

Biggest Myth About the Gender Wage Gap | Fortune.com
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Moot said:
I asked. Layout. Yes. He just started. No. No. No. No. Anymore questions?
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Something happened you are unaware of or else you have a constitutionally illegal million dollar lawsuit. Look into it. If you are right i will represent you.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Something happened you are unaware of or else you have a constitutionally illegal million dollar lawsuit. Look into it. If you are right i will represent you.
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Sure, Bodi. :roll:
 
It's a complete myth. Women make exactly the same as men in the same jobs with the same experience. It is illegal for them not to be paid the same amount. So the scam isn't comparing identical work, it's comparing all women to all men and pretending that they're comparing identical work. It isn't anyone's fault that women CHOOSE to go into different fields. And you can't say they are "encouraged" to do so because the left has been whining about women not being more prevalent in STEM fields for decades and pushing women to go into more technical fields and women still CHOOSE not to. Now I don't know if this is something they are genetically predisposed to or not, but if so, how can radical feminists keep pretending it's all the fault of the imaginary patriarchy?

Oh yeah, radical feminists are idiots.
 
Phys251 said:
The gender pay gap is complicated. Its existence isn't as straightforward as "women make 77 cents on the dollar." It's just as much an issue of what careers women are encouraged to take and which ones they have a harder time advancing in.
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Which I find is an issue. Nowhere in America is it legal to pay women less for the same job. Thus there is no pay gap. Only job gap.


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Bodhisattva said:
CBS news

According to all the media headlines about a new White House report, there's still a big pay gap between men and women in America. The report found that women earn 75 cents for every dollar men make. Sounds pretty conclusive, doesn't it? Well, it's not. It's misleading.

The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth - CBS News

Debunking the Myth of a Mythical Gender Pay Gap | BillMoyers.com

Wall Street Journal

The '77 Cents on the Dollar' Myth About Women's Pay

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

Fortune Magazine

Biggest Myth About the Gender Wage Gap | Fortune.com
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Yes, there have been plenty of studies to show that the Wage Gap is a misleading figure, because it just factors the average of what all men and women make across the board, and it doesn't factor in a lot of things, especially job choice.

 
blackjack50 said:
Which I find is an issue. Nowhere in America is it legal to pay women less for the same job. Thus there is no pay gap. Only job gap.


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And you can prove that this is followed 100% of the time? You think that people in power are going to follow the law simply out of the goodness of their hearts?
 
No gender pay gap?

Apparently, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says there is (or was as of 2009):

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https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20110216_data.htm
 
Phys251 said:
And you can prove that this is followed 100% of the time? You think that people in power are going to follow the law simply out of the goodness of their hearts?
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Corpus delicti. Do you understand that? It is on you to prove the crime occurred.

It is against the law to have payment discrimination. Period. If you think there is a discrepancy in the law, prove it. I will be more than willing to accept that. And I would assume I would expect a change.

On top of all of this...IF a company did so...they would need to be punished, but they must be found guilty of said crime.


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I voted other:

if people do not like the compensation they are receiving then they can seek other employment
 
Yes and no so I voted other....in some physical fields that are dominated by men yes. In fields where physical needs are not required no. In government jobs, like when Obama and Hillary was in office, it seem to be true. I haven't heard if it true now that the Trump administration is in power, but if it was I am sure the democrats and MSM would be all over it like flies on ****.
 
Phys251 said:
The gender pay gap is complicated. Its existence isn't as straightforward as "women make 77 cents on the dollar." It's just as much an issue of what careers women are encouraged to take and which ones they have a harder time advancing in.
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It's more than that. It also reflect their own choices, not just the ones they're encourage to take.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Misleading on purpose, maybe as part of a political action against men?
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If it were as simple as 77 cents on the dollar, men would be unemployed immediately.
 
Surrealistik said:
That's unadjusted data; it's meaningless.
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Aside from the fact you obviously have no idea what the word 'meaningless' actually means.

What should it be adjusted for? And where is your unbiased, factual proof that the data was not adjusted by the BLS?


My guess is you do not have a clue and are about to bombard me with some sort of emotion-based, nonsensical excuse.
 
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DA60 said:
Aside from the fact you obviously have no idea what the word 'meaningless' actually means.

What should it be adjusted for? And where is your unbiased, factual proof that the data was not adjusted by the BLS?
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Meaningless is entirely apt and applicable, as without adjustment for things like hours worked, level of education, experience, occupational distribution, etc this data cannot possibly indicate a real, systemic pay inequity, and holds no useful information about the existence/non-existence of such. Median weekly earnings are simply too vague.

Look at what it actually measures in the description; if there is no mention or footnote of adjustment, it's not adjusted. The BLS is pretty good at proper classification and tagging of its information.
 
Bodhisattva said:
CBS news

According to all the media headlines about a new White House report, there's still a big pay gap between men and women in America. The report found that women earn 75 cents for every dollar men make. Sounds pretty conclusive, doesn't it? Well, it's not. It's misleading.

The Gender Pay Gap is a Complete Myth - CBS News

Debunking the Myth of a Mythical Gender Pay Gap | BillMoyers.com

Wall Street Journal

The '77 Cents on the Dollar' Myth About Women's Pay

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472

Fortune Magazine

Biggest Myth About the Gender Wage Gap | Fortune.com
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The 77 cent thing is a myth. I'm not sure if the entire gap can be accounted for, but I do believe that if you properly adjust for jobs and leave and career length, that most of the "gap" can be accounted for properly.
 
DA60 said:
What should it be adjusted for? And where is your unbiased, factual proof that the data was not adjusted by the BLS?
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Individual jobs within the industries listed. What are, say, Dairy Account Managers or Irrigation Managers within the industry of agriculture making? You can't just throw out a general number, you need to measure specifics. If you compare apples to apples, instead of apples to orangutans, you get the same salaries for people in the same jobs with the same experience. But you don't even know what you're throwing out there, you're just looking for something that justifies your ridiculous beliefs.
 
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