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Can dogs sense the supernatural?

Can dogs sense the supernatural?

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devildavid said:
Huh? Your examples are exactly what science is all about. Constant inquiry, experiment, and testing. That is science, whether you thinks so or not.
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And another point made goes sailing right over another head.
 
devildavid said:
So after Galileo saw them no one else could see them? Was it a one time observation that couldn't be repeated? The rings of Saturn are not the same as ghosts. Galileo actually saw something physical that could be verified any time later. The rings of Saturn did not vanish after he discovered them.
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You refuse to accept it as possible and mis-use science to back up your lack of understanding.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You refuse to accept it as possible and mis-use science to back up your lack of understanding.
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Some things are not possible. I'm sure you can think of a few. I'm not misusing science. Science does not study something just because someone makes a claim without verifiable, testable, evidence. That is contrary to science and the scientific method.
 
devildavid said:
Some things are not possible. I'm sure you can think of a few. I'm not misusing science. Science does not study something just because someone makes a claim without verifiable, testable, evidence. That is contrary to science and the scientific method.
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Dogs can certainly sense more than humans can, but I don't think there's anything supernatural about it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
And another point made goes sailing right over another head.
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He doesn't understand science in the slightest. Those trying to prove ghosts are trying to gather verifiable evidence just like the Germ Guy or Gravity Guy or Circumfrence of the Earth Guy or Big Bang Guy. Some things are much more difficult to prove than others. It took thousands of years to prove Earth was not the center of the universe. People were mocked, imprisoned and killed for making such a challenge. It seems so easy now in hind sight and perhaps ghosts will be too with the right technology.
 
molten_dragon said:
Dogs can certainly sense more than humans can, but I don't think there's anything supernatural about it.
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Not about their sense butcregarding what they can sense.
 
molten_dragon said:
Yeah, I know, that's what I'm referring to. I don't think there's anything supernatural about the things they sense that we can't.
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Unless what they sense IS supernatural... ;)
 
molten_dragon said:
Dogs can certainly sense more than humans can, but I don't think there's anything supernatural about it.
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The simplest definition for Supernatural though is: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

I would add to that a qualifier--beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature known to humankind at this time.

I am of the school that teaches that we have not yet discovered all the laws of nature and that we have only the teensiest fraction of all the science that exists.
 
Bodhisattva said:
He doesn't understand science in the slightest. Those trying to prove ghosts are trying to gather verifiable evidence just like the Germ Guy or Gravity Guy or Circumfrence of the Earth Guy or Big Bang Guy. Some things are much more difficult to prove than others. It took thousands of years to prove Earth was not the center of the universe. People were mocked, imprisoned and killed for making such a challenge. It seems so easy now in hind sight and perhaps ghosts will be too with the right technology.
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Exactly. There is rarely a week that passes that scientists don't come up with a new understanding of something that changes the scientific theory that previously existed. And I suspect we will continue to advance scientific knowledge for hundreds of thousands of years if humankind and this planet survive that long.

Are there beings from outside our galaxy who have visited or are visiting our planet? Who knows for sure? But it is absolutely certain, at least as I reason it, that if such beings are visiting, they are light years more advanced in technology than we are.

They might even be able to teach us what creates the phenomenon described as 'ghost sightings.'

For sure, the most ignorant scientific statement I have heard anybody say yet is that if it is not verified by proper peer reviewed scientific processes, then it doesn't exist at all.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Exactly. There is rarely a week that passes that scientists don't come up with a new understanding of something that changes the scientific theory that previously existed. And I suspect we will continue to advance scientific knowledge for hundreds of thousands of years if humankind and this planet survive that long.

Are there beings from outside our galaxy who have visited or are visiting our planet? Who knows for sure? But it is absolutely certain, at least as I reason it, that if such beings are visiting, they are light years more advanced in technology than we are.

They might even be able to teach us what creates the phenomenon described as 'ghost sightings.'

For sure, the most ignorant scientific statement I have heard anybody say yet is that if it is not verified by proper peer reviewed scientific processes, then it doesn't exist at all.
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That last part is spot on....

...as i told the guy scientists have proven multi-universes, different rates of universal acceleration and multiple dimensions... just to name a few. What prevents Beings from living in these places?
 
Bodhisattva said:
That last part is spot on....

...as i told the guy scientists have proven multi-universes, different rates of universal acceleration and multiple dimensions... just to name a few. What prevents Beings from living in these places?
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And what prevents there being fractures or ripples in the barriers of time and space that allows beings to pass through them?

One of the most thought provoking concepts I have ever seen in a movie was in the movie "Final Countdown":

In 1981 Mr. Tideman, military supplier who designed the Carrier Nimitz, within a darkened limo so that he can't be seen, sees his employee, Warren Lasky, a civilian efficiency expert, off to visit the carrier for the purpose of analyzing systems and suggesting improvement. Lasky has never met Mr. Tideman in person. On the carrier, he meets a Commander Owen, strike leader for the aircraft.

Within a day or two, the ship passes through some kind of wierd storm and winds up in WWII in 1941 just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. As they decide whether to alter history, as a side plot they rescue a Senator Chapman and his secretary, Laurel from a yacht the Japanese destroyed. Chapman isn't buying any of the vague explanations given to him on how a modern aircraft carrier, not to mention the jet aircraft and sophisticated helicopters came to exist in 1941. He demands to be taken to Honolulu, so Commander Owen excorts the senator and his secretary to a small deserted beach instead of Honolulu. The Senator catches on to the deceit and inadvertently blows up the helicopter after Cmdr Owen and Laurel are on the ground and observe the Japanese Zeros flying over them on their way to Pearl Harbor.

The storm returns and transports the Nimitz back to 1981 exactly where they were before minus a couple of days. No damage. None of the crew and their passenger are any worse for wear.

When Lasky, the efficiency expert, is leaving the carrier, the limo is there, and he is invited on board where he meets Mr. and Mrs. Tideman who are in fact Cmdr Owen and Laurel but 40 years older while Lasky is the same age.

Now what is mind boggling is that Einstein proved, in theory, that such time travel was possible and what effect that could have on the aging process. But what is so mind boggling, that if this was a real scenario, Mr. and Mrs. Tideman were living at the same time that Cmdr Owen and Laurel, their previous personas, were living. Possible? You tell me.

I recall one line from "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" when WWII pilots disembarking the alien spacecraft and, though they had been gone for more than 40 years, were the same age they were in 1945 when they mysteriously vanished. One scientists remarked that this suggests that Einstein was right. The second scientists remarked that Einstein was probably one of them (the aliens.)

Things like that fascinate me. I hope when we enter the next dimension beyond this one that we will be able to see how such things work out for real. :)
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Scientifically (mathematically) verifiable theories...
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Nope. Theories are falsifiable, not verifiable, because science is process of falsify theory, not process of verify theory or proof something.
With science as process we describe and explain phenomenons and process in universe and try to predict them in some situations. Science explain how something work, not search for truth or Truth or facts or answers for questions like why or what. In science, question is how, we try to figure out how atoms work, how gravity work, how species change over time, we observe some phenomenons and try to understand and explain them. We do that with falsifiable theories.
 
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