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Is President Trump trustworthy?

Is President Trump trustworthy?

  • Yes, I trust what President Trump and his staff say.

    Votes: 12 14.0%

  • No, I do not trust what President Trump and his staff say.

    Votes: 74 86.0%
  • Total voters
    86
SouthernDemocrat said:
Every election someone runs against the "establishment". It is how Reagan won, its how Clinton won, its how Bush won, its how Obama won, and its how Trump won. What do you think that is a new phenomena?

Once again, Trump won with a lower percentage of the popular vote than Romney lost with in 2012. Hell had Romney been the candidate in 2016, it would have been a bigger wave election for the Republicans. The problem the Democrats had is:

1. Their candidate was Hillary Clinton.

2. They dropped the old 50 state strategy of Howard Dean's DNC and have gotten killed in state and congressional elections as a result.

As to Obama not changing Washington, that is about 10% Obama and 90% the obstructionist GOP in congress. Obama left office as a very popular president, had he been allowed to run again, he would have won. You think there was some compromise "meet in the middle" to be had between the Obama Administration and the Republicans in congress?

Look at the actual demographics that voted for Trump in terms of income, religion, where they live and so on. It's the same people that always vote Republican.
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McCain ran against the establishment and lost. Romney ran against the establishment and lost. You seem to think we would have a new president every four years because anyone who runs against the establishment wins. You don't really understand what the establishment actually is but between Hillary and Trump there was no question as to who was the establishment and who was not. We have just begun a period of change and no one has a working crystal ball. But, it is up to the Democrats to challenge Trump in 2020 with someone who would not be an Obama third term or a Hillary first term. The place they should really start is getting rid of the superdelegates and have a fair primary that is not rigged and let the voters actually decide who they want as their nominee and they need to quit having intolerance for anyone who disagrees with them while trying to hypocritically claim that the other side is intolerant.
 
Moderate Right said:
McCain ran against the establishment and lost. Romney ran against the establishment and lost. You seem to think we would have a new president every four years because anyone who runs against the establishment wins. You don't really understand what the establishment actually is but between Hillary and Trump there was no question as to who was the establishment and who was not. We have just begun a period of change and no one has a working crystal ball. But, it is up to the Democrats to challenge Trump in 2020 with someone who would not be an Obama third term or a Hillary first term. The place they should really start is getting rid of the superdelegates and have a fair primary that is not rigged and let the voters actually decide who they want as their nominee and they need to quit having intolerance for anyone who disagrees with them while trying to hypocritically claim that the other side is intolerant.
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...and Obama ran against the establishment and won. Are you suggesting everybody should win?
 
radcen said:
:shrug: I do not remember that, so some context would help.

But, offhand I'd say no, because I do not believe Reagan was mentally ill.
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Oh....that's one of Reagan's most infamous quotes. It was during his speech to the American People about his involvement in the Iran/Contra affair.
 
Moderate Right said:
McCain ran against the establishment and lost. Romney ran against the establishment and lost. You seem to think we would have a new president every four years because anyone who runs against the establishment wins. You don't really understand what the establishment actually is but between Hillary and Trump there was no question as to who was the establishment and who was not. We have just begun a period of change and no one has a working crystal ball. But, it is up to the Democrats to challenge Trump in 2020 with someone who would not be an Obama third term or a Hillary first term. The place they should really start is getting rid of the superdelegates and have a fair primary that is not rigged and let the voters actually decide who they want as their nominee and they need to quit having intolerance for anyone who disagrees with them while trying to hypocritically claim that the other side is intolerant.
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Whether the Democrats win in 2020 will have everything to do with the state of the economy.

No Republican would have won in 2008. Moreover, McCain has been in the Senate since 1987, hardly anti-establishment. If Trump ran in 2012 he would have lost by a far bigger margin than Romney did. When you run matters. For example, Bill Clinton won in 1992. That does not mean he would have won in 1984.

Finally, I hate the PC crap, but Republicans are hardly a party of tolerance. If you don't appease the hard right wing, you stand a good chance of being primaried as a Republican.
 
radcen said:
...and yet here we are stuck with the same establishment.

Going OT from your overall point, but real change needs to come from the bottom... House and Senate and states... not just from the President.
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I completely agree. The American people bitch about how dysfunctional Washington is, but they are the ones that elect the congress that makes it so dysfunctional. If everyone in congress was like Susan Collins, Al Franken, Bob Corker, or Claire McCaskill, Washington would not be dysfunctional and they would work together and respond to the needs of the American people.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I completely agree. The American people bitch about how dysfunctional Washington is, but they are the ones that elect the congress that makes it so dysfunctional. If everyone in congress was like Susan Collins, Al Franken, Bob Corker, or Claire McCaskill, Washington would not be dysfunctional and they would work together and respond to the needs of the American people.
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Unfortunately, voters don't usually have a chance to vote for these people. They only have a choice of the left or the right.
 
Moderate Right said:
Unfortunately, voters don't usually have a chance to vote for these people. They only have a choice of the left or the right.
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Because most people don't vote in the primaries, thus the most extreme candidates are the ones that make it through. Moreover, most districts are so gerrymandered that there is little incentive for most congressman to moderate their positions.
 
ecofarm said:
Do you realize that sounds exactly like a lunatic fringe Obama-hater? Did Trump lie when he said the empowerment of women entrepreneurs is just and imperative (and vowed to create a new federal program for it)? Did he lie when he said blacks are treated unfairly (victims of systemic privilege) in the educational system? Are those statements sexist and racist, respectively?
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I understand David Duke once said he really liked black people and Jews. Trump's occasional lapses into stupid generalities don't change one simple fact. He is a racist, misogynistic, Putin-loving Fascist.

And for God's sake will one of you Trumpkins let him know that he didn't receive the largest number of electoral votes since Ronald Reagan? Another one of his off the top of his head lies that are so easily disproven.
 
He lies all the time, even at press conferences and from his office in the white house so why would he be trustworthy?
 
Wiggen said:
I understand David Duke once said he really liked black people and Jews. Trump's occasional lapses into stupid generalities don't change one simple fact. He is a racist, misogynistic, Putin-loving Fascist.
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That's extremist partisan hackery. He has undergone the most extreme vetting process (conducted by the opposing party) in the world. Respect the office.

And for God's sake will one of you Trumpkins let him know that he didn't receive the largest number of electoral votes since Ronald Reagan? Another one of his off the top of his head lies that are so easily disproven.
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I'm not a "Trumpkin", I disagree with his rhetoric to a great extent (see my signature). I simply oppose hyperbole at the expense of the office, no matter a president's party. The electoral votes since Reagan thing was funny, if embarrassing for everyone.
 
12 people have failed the competency test to be a rational thinking human.
 
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