Would Removing Trump as POTUS Cause Mass Civil Unrest

gdgyva said:

And the chairman of the ethics committee has already said that in itself is not enough for him to even start a special panel to check on it...as he himself said, he isn't going on a fishing expedition because of a political situation

Face it...because he comes from the business side, this president will have different things about him

I understand so many of you are grasping at straws, trying to find anything worth hanging on to

But this isn't it....and it won't be

Like I said, you will need MUCH MUCH more.....

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Chaffetz isn't a valid authority on what does and doesn't constitute an impeachable offense. Vox makes a substantial case for it.

Depends on how it's done.

If within the confines of the law (the only way I can see that being the case) no.

cuban smokes said:

Considering the extremely bitter partisan political divisions within the US, do you believe removing Trump as POTUS would cause mass civil unrest in the US?

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How exactly would he be removed? If you can explain that process - that would help me to be able to answer the OP question.

I really DO NOT see a bunch of agitated right wing Trump suck-ups as willing to take up arms in defense of some New York supposed billionaire and risk their own lives and liberty in the process. Its simply not in the cards.

I voted No. The Middle Class is still fairly intact. Trump is lying about "disasters" and crime rates to manufacture consent to his authority. Until White America feels the pain of the ghettos there won't be massive social movements. I thought people would protest in the streets for months after they were robbed of Bernie Sanders. But, it didn't happen. America's still reluctantly complacent to corruption, inequality, and crime.

antiquity said:

Spoken like a true blue left wing loon. No wonder Trump won.

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You guys are talking about a conspiracy of people paying protesters. I ask for evidence or some kind of first hand account and you start asking if I have reading problems. What a lazy troll.

cuban smokes said:

Considering the extremely bitter partisan political divisions within the US, do you believe removing Trump as POTUS would cause mass civil unrest in the US?

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Civil unrest and civil war are two different things. As such, I voted "yes". Assuming that he was removed via the impeachment and conviction process. If he was removed via some other means then there wouldn't just be civil unrest, but an actual civil war. Despite all the rhetoric that you hear about how people feel about the Constitution there are still plenty of people that believe that it should be followed and deposing Trump would infuriate those people.

That said, a civil unrest is a very different thing. I'd akin a civil unrest to something along the lines of the Civil Rights movement where enough people came together to demand change that such change actually was enacted and to this day we still see and feel the effects of it. And I fully believe that there needs to be a change in regards to our politicians. Voting them in and out is simply not enough anymore imo. Mainly because many people vote for the same politicians over and over and over. Despite how they have conducted themselves for at least the last 20 years. To be quite frank there are some politicians that shouldn't even BE on Capitol Hill. Warren, Crapo, McConnell, Schumer, Feinstein, and many more. (and no, I'm not going to go into detail on those people and why I think they shouldn't be in office, that's for another thread) The main reason that Trump was elected was due to people being completely and utterly sick and tired of how politicians are conducting themselves. IE: The Establishment. When I hear people complain about how Trump conducts himself I can't help but laugh considering many politicians now a days conduct themselves in the same exact way. Only difference is that Trump does it far more openly and covers a far wider base with his inanity. If you don't believe me then just look how Warren conducted her self with the Session's nomination. Mitt Romney's 47% comment. I could give lots of examples. Every election we hear nothing but political smut. And each election year it gets worse and worse.

In this ONE respect I kind of wish that Trump WOULD get removed from office via impeachment and conviction. It might bring about some much needed change.

cuban smokes said:

not looking at the potential who, how, why, etc.

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But those are IMPERITIVE to know to accurately be able to answer what kind of civil unrest there will be.

The military rising up and overthrowing him? I could see definite unrest. Impeachment because.....reasons! in the vein of some peoples pathetic calls on social media? Yeah, likely civic unrest. Impeachment because something comes to light that he's engaged in significant and unquestionable illegality or extreme unethical behavior (thinking Nixon here)? Probably very little civil unrest.

I think the odds of him being reelected are better then him being removed unless he does something that warrants impeachment. If he were removed without cause then there would likely be civil unrest.

cuban smokes said:

Considering the extremely bitter partisan political divisions within the US, do you believe removing Trump as POTUS would cause mass civil unrest in the US?

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Depends on the Why and the How.


For a lawful reason and with due process taken, probably not.


For BS or done extra-legally? Anything up to civil war.

Cardinal said:

That is a popular, ongoing myth, that he hasn't actually done anything impeachment worthy, when in fact he was fully impeachable an infinitely small fraction of a second after he took the oath of office.

The new lawsuit accusing Donald Trump of violating the Constitution, explained - Vox

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Oh look, someone acting like an admittedly biased group of individuals legal arguments, that have in no way, shape, or form been found to be legitimate in a court of law yet, is somehow "fact" of an impeachable offense having occurred.

Cardinal said:

Chaffetz isn't a valid authority on what does and doesn't constitute an impeachable offense. Vox makes a substantial case for it.

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Neither is Vox, but that didn't stop you from declaring it a fact

Zyphlin said:

Neither is Vox, but that didn't stop you from declaring it a fact

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[Shrug] Don't read it then.

Aristaeus said:

It would depend on the reasons behind the removal/impeachment. If there was clear, proven evidence of highly unethical or criminal behaviour, then it would be seen as legit by most people (excluding hardcore Trump supporters).

Plenty of Republicans ready to stick the knife into Trump given a chance.

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I highly doubt this.

Cardinal said:

Chaffetz isn't a valid authority on what does and doesn't constitute an impeachable offense. Vox makes a substantial case for it.

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Chaffertz has the power and authority to do a lot of things....

He is the one that can empanel people, subpoena, hold hearings, etc

Please tell me what VOX can do?

Other than continue to post articles giving liberals, progressives, and moderates false hope

Maybe in two years if leadership changes....but that is a real big maybe

gdgyva said:

Chaffertz has the power and authority to do a lot of things....

He is the one that can empanel people, subpoena, hold hearings, etc

Please tell me what VOX can do?

Other than continue to post articles giving liberals, progressives, and moderates false hope

Maybe in two years if leadership changes....but that is a real big maybe

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If you, like Zyphlin, are uncurious about what exactly is impeachable about Trump's offenses, that's fine by me.

Cardinal said:

If you, like Zyphlin, are uncurious about what exactly is impeachable about Trump's offenses, that's fine by me.

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I know exactly what you and others have written about

Trump is using his hotel for foreign dignitaries....and he may profit because they want to garner his favor

Dude...the American people aren't idiots.....

And they elected him knowing he has hotels, golf courses, and other business interests

And as I said earlier, he is going to change the rules because no one before came from a truly business background

And no, I don't see an issue with it

And I have discussed this with well over 50 other people in the last few weeks....at dinner parties, and other events

And not one of those had a major issue with it.....

Divesting his businesses is a whole lot different than putting a portfolio into a blind trust

Deal with it....

Zyphlin said:

Oh look, someone acting like an admittedly biased group of individuals legal arguments, that have in no way, shape, or form been found to be legitimate in a court of law yet, is somehow "fact" of an impeachable offense having occurred.

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Not to mention Trump signed over his companies to his son.

cuban smokes said:

Considering the extremely bitter partisan political divisions within the US, do you believe removing Trump as POTUS would cause mass civil unrest in the US?

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MASS civil unrest no. But loon civil unrest yes.

I believe it was back in the 60's or 70's a lunatic gunnie anti-government guru wrote a book about how to "take back America" in the book he clearly stated that only a brain dead moron would take on the US establishment head on In other words you don't take a gun to a tank battle.

RabidAlpaca said:

I would like to see him impeached if it was warranted. While Mike Pence has his own problems, he's at least an adult and a fairly sane human being. No, this probably wouldn't help America's division problem.

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My wife and I talk about this a lot. Trump is a loon but Pence is the devil we know. I imagine having Pence as POTUS would be much like George II. It would hurt but at least we would have better chance of surviving it.

Eric7216 said:

Don't know. Most of the people who support Trump are non-violent and not prone to collectivist actions. But there will be some. Trump supporters are not as fascistic as are the alt-left.

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LOL, sure:
U.S. militia girds for trouble as presidential election nears | Reuters

Objective Voice said:

No.

If impeached, the majority party that would approve a vote to bring charges against him would likely come from his own party - Republicans. I doubt they'd ever do it, but if impeachment charges were to ever come up against Pres. Trump you'd best believe they'd have to be so convincing so as to move his own party against him.

As for a coup, that will never happen in this country. Why? Our Constitution forbids insurrection. Moreover, our system of government - three co-equal branches (not to mention you'd never get the Joint Chiefs to agree on such an action) - acts as a check against such a thing ever occurring in this country. (Plus, you also have the Secret Service and the Capital Police acting as buffers to protect the POTUS.)

Now, if the majority party in the 2018 mid-terms suddenly switched from Republican to Democrat and such chargers were brought up and approved along the new majority party lines, then yes, we could have problems bigly! (Or is it big league?)

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This brings up an interesting point. IF Duck got impeached it would be by a Republican Congress who could probably explain their way out of snake pit. So I guess the right would suck that up except as someone noticed the hard core Duck crowd. So I am beginning to see this in a different light.

Duck gets shot down the rep congress will probably blame the left and the faithful in the bubble will buy it and go on with life.

Goshin said:

Depends on the Why and the How.


For a lawful reason and with due process taken, probably not.


For BS or done extra-legally? Civil war.

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That will work really well. the Right wing nut jobs who follow Trump without question vs the loyal American military. It will be the shortest civil war in history.

wolfman24 said:

That will work really well. the Right wing nut jobs who follow Trump without question vs the loyal American military. It will be the shortest civil war in history.

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You're assuming the military would be on your side, in the event the removal was BS or unlawfully done.


Might want to review the oath the military takes.

Goshin said:

You're assuming the military would be on your side, in the event the removal was BS or unlawfully done.


Might want to review the oath the military takes.

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As a career civil servant I am aware of the oath since I have taken it. Their allegiance is to the legitimate government of the US who evokes the constitution of the US or at least is supposed to. If a President is wrongly impeached, the legitimate government is still in tact and so the rules and standards of the Constitution are in theory at least still being maintained. So the loyal military WILL support the civilian authority above them as they swore to.
The government is more than one person.

Also by your logic when Clinton was impeached there should have been civil war.

preserve protection and defend... and obey the lawful orders of those above me.

NO ONE should take it upon themselves to react to what they consider to be unfair or unlawful until due process has taken place. I know WTF am I talking about. If a President has been wrongfully impeached per the rules of the Constitution SCOTUS has the last word not just a bunch of gun happy loons.

RULE OF LAW not RULE OF MOB

wolfman24 said:

As a career civil servant I am aware of the oath since I have taken it. Their allegiance is to the legitimate government of the US who evokes the constitution of the US or at least is supposed to. If a President is wrongly impeached, the legitimate government is still in tact and so the rules and standards of the Constitution are in theory at least still being maintained. So the loyal military WILL support the civilian authority above them as they swore to.
The government is more than one person.

Also by your logic when Clinton was impeached there should have been civil war.

preserve protection and defend... and obey the lawful orders of those above me.

NO ONE should take it upon themselves to react to what they consider to be unfair or unlawful until due process has taken place. I know WTF am I talking about. If a President has been wrongfully impeached per the rules of the Constitution SCOTUS has the last word not just a bunch of gun happy loons.

RULE OF LAW not RULE OF MOB

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A hypothetical question was asked with little detail or parameters. I answered best-case and worst-case scenarios. You're postulating according to your own assumptions.