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Is Bear Ears National Monument a good name?

Is Bear Ears National Monument a good name?


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Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies

The boycott started when Utah Governor Gary Herbert signed a resolution last week asking the Trump administration to abolish the Bear Ears National Monument -- more than a million acres in southwestern Utah that Obama designated a national monument in the weeks before he left office.
Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP
 
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Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies


Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP
If it is named after a natural feature in the area like oh say, Mule Ears in Big Bend? Sure? Why not?
 
Are we seriously fighting over the names of new parks now? This seems like another controversy manufactured out of nothing.
 
Are we talking about the name here, or whether or not to get rid of the park?
 
It is kind of a weird name, I have to admit.

But I'm in favor of it remaining public land.
 
Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies


Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP

"**** you elites" because you don't like the name of a national park?

It's named after a local land feature, dude. I suppose you also think it's "elitism" to name the Yosemite park after the Yosemite valley it contains...
 
Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies


Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP

Brilliant synopsis. I agree, we should really stick it to the elites like Obama who were protecting these lands from oil and natural gas drilling. These elitist liberals thought it should be preserved and enjoyed by the people, wrong! Time to take our country back! And by that I mean having it pillaged by a few wealthy corporations.

I absolutely love Trump. Protecting the little guy and advancing our interests against the crony elite.
 
I think its a fine name myself.

When Hugh Hefner dies if the government takes over the Playboy Mansion, or at least puts it on the registry of historic homes, I think it would be appropriate to call that site Bunny Ears National Monument.
 
More boycott nonsense.

These idiots say they're worried about a nonbinding resolution that does absolutely nothing and "Utah's land preservation policies" - Utah. A state that already has more protected land than all but maybe 4-5 other states.

Give me a break.
 
More boycott nonsense.

These idiots say they're worried about a nonbinding resolution that does absolutely nothing and "Utah's land preservation policies" - Utah. A state that already has more protected land than all but maybe 4-5 other states.

Give me a break.
 
Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies


Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP

What does it have to do with the ownership of the west? Bears Ear National Monument has never been private land. It has always been federal public land. Being designated a national monument simply changed the status of that public land. Like all monument designations, it was opened to public comment and millions of public comments were in favor of the designation.
 
More boycott nonsense.

These idiots say they're worried about a nonbinding resolution that does absolutely nothing and "Utah's land preservation policies" - Utah. A state that already has more protected land than all but maybe 4-5 other states.

Give me a break.

It sends a message to extremist congressman that are against the very idea of public lands.
 
What does it have to do with the ownership of the west? Bears Ear National Monument has never been private land. It has always been federal public land. Being designated a national monument simply changed the status of that public land. Like all monument designations, it was opened to public comment and millions of public comments were in favor of the designation.

UPI
Obama expands public lands more than any U.S. president
Obama expands public lands more than any U.S. president - UPI.com

If Obama did not change the ownership status of these lands many still argue that he did. This was big, this should have been done through Congress or not at all.
 
Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies


Outdoor retailers boycott Utah over public land policies - Feb. 11, 2017


I dont like it, too cute in a childish way by a bunch. I want something maybe a little majestic.

On the other thing, I dont remember any great national conversation on changing the ownership of the West.

"**** YOU!" elites.

GO TRUMP

Sounds like a Native Indian name. Is it? "Cause what sounds cute and childish to you might sound different in a different language.
 
UPI

Obama expands public lands more than any U.S. president - UPI.com

If Obama did not change the ownership status of these lands many still argue that he did. This was big, this should have been done through Congress or not at all.

Obama named more national monuments than any other president. However, the lands he designated as National Moments were already National Forests or BLM lands. They were public lands already. The only thing that designating them as National Monuments does is protected them from mining leases and timber sales. Some of them already were though as some of the National Monuments he designated included Federal Wilderness. You can fish National Monuments, hunt them, camp, explore, climb, ride, whatever you want to do in terms of recreation. In fact, in terms of recreation, federal lands are far less restrictive than state or locally owned public lands.

As to those that argue its a "land grab". They call it that to try to confuse those that don't know much about the public lands system we have. Calling it a "land grab" makes people think that government just seized those lands, when in fact its land that has always been public land.

Finally, presidents have always been able to designate National Monuments under the Antiquities Act. This is nothing new. Many of the jewels of our National Park System started out as National Monuments.

One last thing. Those industrial interests that want this land sold off or transferred to the state, want that because they know that there are only 3 states out West with enough of a tax base to manage large amounts of public land (Washington, California, and Colorado). The rest would have to open up the vast majority of those lands to mining, timber sales, and development, and that is exactly what those industry interests want. This is why most Westerners do not want those lands transferred to the states: Poll: Most Westerners Don't Want Federal Lands Turned Over To States
 
If Congress has a problem with it, they can update the Antiquities Act.

And good luck with them doing it because despite the fact that oil and mining outspending environmental groups by over 100 to 1 in lobbying, every time someone in congress tries to touch our public lands, they catch holy hell from millions of hunters, fisherman, mount bikers, backpackers, climbers and other outdoorsmen.
 
Obama named more national monuments than any other president. However, the lands he designated as National Moments were already National Forests or BLM lands. They were public lands already. The only thing that designating them as National Monuments does is protected them from mining leases and timber sales. Some of them already were though as some of the National Monuments he designated included Federal Wilderness. You can fish National Monuments, hunt them, camp, explore, climb, ride, whatever you want to do in terms of recreation. In fact, in terms of recreation, federal lands are far less restrictive than state or locally owned public lands.

As to those that argue its a "land grab". They call it that to try to confuse those that don't know much about the public lands system we have. Calling it a "land grab" makes people think that government just seized those lands, when in fact its land that has always been public land.

Finally, presidents have always been able to designate National Monuments under the Antiquities Act. This is nothing new. Many of the jewels of our National Park System started out as National Monuments.

One last thing. Those industrial interests that want this land sold off or transferred to the state, want that because they know that there are only 3 states out West with enough of a tax base to manage large amounts of public land (Washington, California, and Colorado). The rest would have to open up the vast majority of those lands to mining, timber sales, and development, and that is exactly what those industry interests want. This is why most Westerners do not want those lands transferred to the states: Poll: Most Westerners Don't Want Federal Lands Turned Over To States

Ok, my understanding might not be up to snuff.....Is it not so that BLM areas are not owned by the government, they are owned by no one, the government is a caretaker, perhaps on a temporary basis? Did not Obama then put these lands fully into government ownership, where they had not been before?

Thanks in advance for any illumination you might have to offer.

:2wave:
 
Ok, my understanding might not be up to snuff.....Is it not so that BLM is not owned by the government, they are owned by no one, the government is a caretaker, perhaps on a temporary basis? Did not Obama then put these lands fully into government ownership, where they had not been before?

Thanks in advance for any illumination you might have to offer.

:2wave:

...no, he did not do that. They were public lands before, and they are public lands now.
 
That is very unkind of you to call a congressman like Congressman Chaffetz a "nobody".
I didn't. I see no reason to believe he - or any member of congress - is againt "the very idea of public lands."
 
Ok, my understanding might not be up to snuff.....Is it not so that BLM areas are not owned by the government, they are owned by no one, the government is a caretaker, perhaps on a temporary basis? Did not Obama then put these lands fully into government ownership, where they had not been before?

Thanks in advance for any illumination you might have to offer.

:2wave:

No public lands are "owned by the government", other than where government offices or military installation sit. National Forests and Parks are owned by the public just like BLM Lands, and subject to public comment with every management plan, just like BLM lands.

Public lands are a big issue with me because I grew up on land bordering National Forest and I go on backcountry fishing and backpacking trips every chance I can get. To be honest, its the only issue I really care that much about.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against everything. I am for pipelines as I think they are the safest way to transport oil and gas. I am ok with natural gas fracking as its much cleaner than coal. I am fine with many timber sales on public land as its a crucial component of forest management in many forests. However, with over 300 million people in this country, we need to be protecting as much wilderness as we have left before we end up developing everything like most of Europe has.
 
Are we seriously fighting over the names of new parks now? This seems like another controversy manufactured out of nothing.

No, it's about ownership. There is a big effort by the billionaire boys (the elites that give the elite haters talking points) to get federal parks turned over to the states, where willing governors can sell ("lease") them to guys who would, oh, I don't know...harvest trees to make Dixie Cups.

Regarding the OP, yes too cute, but there are worse. I need to research why it was made a park.
 
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