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Are "anarchists" on the left side of the political aisle?

Are "anarchists" on the left side of the political aisle?

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radcen said:
Are "anarchists" on the left side of the political aisle?

In general. As always, outliers would not invalidate the general rule.
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Historically, the Left. In modern terms, both.

TheGoverness said:
From Anarcho-communism to Anarcho-capitalism, Anarchism is pretty much all over the map politically.
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Anarcho-capitalism is pretty distinct from anarcho-syndicalism and anarcho-communism, but sure, that's the terminology that people use. Although, I've always thought that anarcho-communism is a contradiction in terms.

Abbazorkzog said:
I find it difficult to see the absence of left-wing authoritarians...
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Yeah, Left/Right is a different thing than Authoritarian/Libertarian.

Gimmesometruth said:
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt...yer mixing in economics. The ground rules were strictly "political", ie the social relation.
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Uh... Anarchism is a political philosophy, yes. It's largely a different term for "libertarian" in the oldest sense (Now it just refers to Rightist Libertarianism), which is the idea that society shouldn't have consolidated rulers who control the society.

Gimmesometruth said:
Yer not understanding what an anarchist is. [...] You cannot be an authoritarian...and an anarchist at the same time. If you are subjugating another, you are not an anarchist.....you are not allowing the other to self rule.
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In principle, that's correct, although the Libertarian Right seem to love policies that allow corporations to consolidate nearly total power over society, which to me is a total contradiction in terms. All the same, yes, anarchism/old-school libertarianism refers to being against authoritarianism.
 
Henrin said:
We have this thing called the first amendment. Did your copy of the constitutions have that amendment? Oh and btw, hurt feelings isn't generally something we punish people for causing. Well, until recently anyway.




No ****. Your prior post strongly suggested the law should enforce it though.
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Uh, the 1st is not an absolute, and no, I never suggested what you claim.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Uh, the 1st is not an absolute, and no, I never suggested what you claim.
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:lamo So what, calling a transgender a he instead of a she is a threat or slander now? lol. This whole, but there are exceptions(which are **** that aren't supported by the amendment) is weak sauce.
 
Henrin said:
:lamo So what, calling a transgender a he instead of a she is a threat or slander now? lol. This whole, but there are exceptions(which are **** that aren't supported by the amendment) is weak sauce.
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When you decide to make adult argument, I will respond in kind.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When you decide to make adult argument, I will respond in kind.
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You haven't presented an adult argument yourself. The amendment says they can pass no law and here you are saying they can. It's crap.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
you seem able to tell people what it isn't. perhaps you can tell us what it is then.
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I'm not gonna repeat myself, especially to squealers. As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, don't expect any further responses.
 
FieldTheorist said:
In principle, that's correct, although the Libertarian Right seem to love policies that allow corporations to consolidate nearly total power over society, which to me is a total contradiction in terms. All the same, yes, anarchism/old-school libertarianism refers to being against authoritarianism.
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Ummm...they don't even support incorporation. How can they support corporations taking control when they don't support incorporation?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When you decide to make adult argument, I will respond in kind.
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Oh and btw, when I write something like congress can pass no law to abridge free speech and then that is expanded by another amendment to includes states that means that places like New York City can't tell business owners how to address people. Why? Because they can't pass law on the matter in any sort of way. This is not a situation of but wait, those people are meanies, so maybe this one time is ok, but hell no, you can't do it.

Saying authoritarian laws are ok according to the Constitution isn't much of a justification for anything either. All you end up doing with that argument is saying something like, but I can be authoritarian if I want to be.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
I'm not gonna repeat myself, especially to squealers. As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, don't expect any further responses.
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ok, go to your safe space.


anarchists are children divorced from reality, and are only able to claim to be anarchists because they live in a society that isn't anarchist.
 
radcen said:
Are "anarchists" on the left side of the political aisle?

In general. As always, outliers would not invalidate the general rule.
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I studied up on this one time, and Anarchist covers a dizzyingly broad range of ideologies and assumptions. There are anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-capitalists, anarcho-socialists, and a frackjillion more specific flavors.


Leading one to wonder if getting two Anarchists to agree on ANYTHING beyond "government is bad, mmkay?" is actually likely.


Their chief beef seems to be that they want societal structures to be socially implemented and voluntary. What exact SORT of society they expect to end up with in an absence of large-scale government can apparently vary from center-right to far left... but more often inclining towards the latter.


In actual PRACTICE, especially when it comes to protesters and rioters, "Anarchist" apparently means College Student Who Wants Free Stuff And Legal Drugs.

:D
 
Goshin said:
I studied up on this one time, and Anarchist covers a dizzyingly broad range of ideologies and assumptions. There are anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-capitalists, anarcho-socialists, and a frackjillion more specific flavors.


Leading one to wonder if getting two Anarchists to agree on ANYTHING beyond "government is bad, mmkay?" is actually likely.


Their chief beef seems to be that they want societal structures to be socially implemented and voluntary. What exact SORT of society they expect to end up with in an absence of large-scale government can apparently vary from center-right to far left... but more often inclining towards the latter.


In actual PRACTICE, especially when it comes to protesters and rioters, "Anarchist" apparently means College Student Who Wants Free Stuff And Legal Drugs.

:D
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As always, outliers would not invalidate the general rule.

I don't see an answer to the question:

Are "anarchists" on the left side of the political aisle?
 
Henrin said:
Ummm...they don't even support incorporation. How can they support corporations taking control when they don't support incorporation?
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Support that claim. Everyone on the libertarian Right that I've met or listened to has never said that corporations shouldn't be allowed to exist. Unless you meant the doctrine of selective incorporation, which is a totally different subject relating to Constitutional law and interpretation.
 
FieldTheorist said:
Support that claim. Everyone on the libertarian Right that I've met or listened to has never said that corporations shouldn't be allowed to exist. Unless you meant the doctrine of selective incorporation, which is a totally different subject relating to Constitutional law and interpretation.
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I mean the government incorporating businesses. I have never meet a libertarian that thinks it is ok that businesses get special protections under the law.
 
TheGoverness said:
From Anarcho-communism to Anarcho-capitalism, Anarchism is pretty much all over the map politically.
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yeah this.
Anarchists fall in the extreme end of the libertarian/authoritarian axis but can be pretty much anywhere on the right/left axis
 
Gimmesometruth said:
When you decide to make adult argument, I will respond in kind.
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How about you at least tell me what court ruling you're invoking with your argument. What court ruling that dealt with speech could be used to claim that laws protecting transgenders from meanies is constitutional according to the first amendment? I can think of none that would apply, so go ahead and tell me.
 
Henrin said:
I mean the government incorporating businesses. I have never meet a libertarian that thinks it is ok that businesses get special protections under the law.
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Firstly, that's not evidence; that's distinctly you still asserting your opinion. Secondly, you seem confused. A corporation does not necessarily have special protections, in fact it's largely multi-national corporations who lobby government that get special protections officially and unofficially.
 
Anyone who knows the history of anarchism understands it falls on the political left. Even individual anarchists like Benjamin Tucker considered himself a leftist. "Anarcho"-capitalists are not true anarchists as they support capitalism.
 
TheGoverness said:
From Anarcho-communism to Anarcho-capitalism, Anarchism is pretty much all over the map politically.
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Nearly every anarchist will say anarcho-capitalists are a faux anarchist. One cannot be anarchist and support the capitalist hierarchy. It is an oxymoron.
 
Geoist said:
Anyone who knows the history of anarchism understands it falls on the political left. Even individual anarchists like Benjamin Tucker considered himself a leftist. "Anarcho"-capitalists are not true anarchists as they support capitalism.
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Lets also point out that they support private property and that the founder of the ideology rejected the claim for pretty much the reason that it runs counter to everything anarchists stand for.
 
Henrin said:
How about you at least tell me what court ruling you're invoking with your argument. What court ruling that dealt with speech could be used to claim that laws protecting transgenders from meanies is constitutional according to the first amendment? I can think of none that would apply, so go ahead and tell me.
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Here, TRY thinking about this....harassment, threats.....are not Constitutionally protected speech.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Here, TRY thinking about this....harassment, threats.....are not Constitutionally protected speech.
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So it would fall under harassment? So calling someone a he instead of a she is harassment? That a pretty big stretch.

I'm not even sure why you mentioned threats since that has zero chance of applying to the situation.
 
Redress said:
In general, in very, very rough terms, with a few million exceptions, right is less government, left is more government, anarchists are no government. That would put them far, far, far to the right.
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Yet, just about all anarchists are opposed to capitalism and support some form of socialism/communism. How would that be to the political right?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, the history supports that anarchism is a leftist series of ideologies.
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I do not know if it is just one subreddit, but Anarchists seem to openly support violence. I have read that in Berkley it was Anarchists who were violent. Is it true?
 
Henrin said:
Anarchist belief structures are actually filled with authoritarian undertones. The thing is they just don't see it.
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We feel the same about the neo-feudalists known as right-libertarians/anarcho-capitalists ;)
 
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