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Has Trump committed his first truly undeniable blunder?

is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series

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Captain Adverse said:
I have no problem with the temporary ban. All of those countries have been problematic in terms of Radical Islam.

Personally, I might have extended it to any Middle East nation where we've had issues with troublesome visitors (Saudi Arabia comes to mind...we really don't need their oil that badly). :shrug:
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Sure if you want 10 dollar a gallon gas. Oil prices respond to even small variations in available supply.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I have a challenge for you. Show me where Clinton was misled into thinking that victory was dependent on winning the popular vote. An alternative would be that you could show me where the Constitution mentions "popular demand". I could go to the range and shoot all the targets in the wrong lanes. I would hit more targets but they would kick my ass off the range and I still wouldn't get a participation trophy. Maybe if she had more rallies than fund raisers she might have earned a chance at winning. Maybe if she didn't ignore some of the rust belt states things might have turned out different. Maybe if she didn't participate in the total abandonment of ethics and bylaws in her own party she might have drawn more of the younger vote that opted to stay at home.
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Your missing the point. Its not about Hillary's support, its about the lack of support for Trump.

The current guy does not have the support of the people. He has very limited political capital that he is expending on his man-child antics.

AlbqOwl said:
True, thanks to five or six very heavily populated and mostly Democratic counties in California. But in this case Democratic votes don't count in Trump's mandate because they voted for the opposite of what Trump pledged to do if elected. So they are going to hate him regardless.

But he doesn't need them for re-election. He does need all of us who voted for him this time though. And while many if not most Democrats will vote Democratic no matter how badly their candidate does, most Republicans aren't so party loyal.
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popular vote is popular vote... that is where Americans live; that is where they vote. We caould also take out Texas and say much of the same things. Fact is, Trump lost by 2 points. He has no mandate. He was elected by a minority of Americans.

Its also fun to repeatedly remind the Trump cultists that they remain a minority.
 
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jimbo said:
Methinks the OP was more of a statement than a question or poll subject.
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its another complaint that Trump beat Hillary
 
upsideguy said:
Your missing the point. Its not about Hillary's support, its about the lack of support for Trump.

The current guy does not have the support of the people. He has very limited political capital that he is expending on his man-child antics.



popular vote is popular vote... that is where Americans live; that is where they vote. We caould also take out Texas and say much of the same things. Fact is, Trump lost by 2 points. He has no mandate. He was elected by a minority of Americans.

Its also fun to repeatedly remind the Trump cultists that they remain a minority.
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you all lost, we won, stop the crying. You can spend the next four years whining like the Gore Supporters did or you can do what we did when you all elected the empty suit novelty. Get by and plan for the future.
 
Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

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1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Imho, things are unraveling quickly at the White House.
 
Moderate Right said:
Obama already beat him to being the first dictator.
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Greetings, Moderate Right. :2wave:

And we have certainly seen that Trump doesn't intend to be anybody's second anything, including "Messiah," which I suspect he finds offensive - even though Obama seemed to enjoy it.... :mrgreen:
 
MaggieD said:
Nothing he's done EO wise has been a blunder do far. He promised his voters every last one of them.

Is it possible some will have unintended consequences? Perhaps. But that remains to be seen.

You really ask kind of a dumb question. He's only done his platform. Why would any of those things be blunders to his constituents?
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Because his supporting constituents are blunderheads? :2razz:
 
Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

Poll timed out.

1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Hard to say. He's done numerous blunderhaeded things, but his Suckers continue to rally.

I think most of them will continue to bury their heads in the sand until something is done that affects them negatively directly.
 
Koke said:
Obama did effectively the same with people in Venezuela (socialist hellhole) but I didn't hear remotely the same amount of bitching and moaning from the left then.

He announced he was going to do this during his campaign and then he followed up on his statement, so at least all of his voters support this move.
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And his supporters are a minority of Americans. Do not ignore that fact.

Let's be clear about something, Trump said and says a lot of things often contradicting himself. Trump is ruling by fiat and his adolescent and impulsive shooting from the hip is not how policy is determined. There are severe consequences involved, especially when action is taken before facts are used to determine the short and longterm ramifications.

One final thing, its down to the GOP and so far all they are doing is trying to distance themsleves from a world class cluster****.
 
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Poll added. Poll question a bit messed up but nothing can be done about that. Read OP for full question.

Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

Poll timed out.

1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

Poll timed out.

1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Oh.

For some reason I thought you were necro-Ing a thread from the fall of 2015....
 
MaggieD said:
Nothing he's done EO wise has been a blunder do far. He promised his voters every last one of them.

Is it possible some will have unintended consequences? Perhaps. But that remains to be seen.

You really ask kind of a dumb question. He's only done his platform. Why would any of those things be blunders to his constituents?
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I read 'blunders' as blunders for the nation...not pleasing his groupies. Just because he is following his campaign platform, that does not mean his platform was good for America.
 
ModerateGOP said:
If he signs any more executive orders, he will become America's first dictator. Not because of how many there are but because there will be nothing left of the Constitution to chisel away.
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And what part of the constitution has Trump done away with. Be specific.
 
The downfall of Trump will be his own personality disorder and the mentally ill state that comes from it causing him to do the things he does without the ability to control his darker impulses. In that respect he is like Nixon - but far far worse and his demise will come much sooner than the five and one-half years Nixon had in power. And we are already seeing the evidence of this. But this is just the beginning of the national tragedy.
 
Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

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1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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No.

That's what he'd said he'd do when he was campaigning. No surprise there.

The problem is that the left and mainstream media didn't take him seriously when he was campaigning along those lines. Now that he's doing exactly what he'd said he'd do....they couldn't believe it!

What politician does what he promised? Right? They got so used with Obama and Hillary! :lol:
 
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DA60 said:
I read 'blunders' as blunders for the nation...not pleasing his groupies. Just because he is following his campaign platform, that does not mean his platform was good for America.
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I know you're responding to Maggie....but excuse me for jumping in.


He's saying it's good for America. It's too early to say whether he blundered, or not.
Anyway, define blunder. How do you measure a blunder? How do you determine that?



Anyway....a temporary ban and extreme vetting under the circumstances....is not a blunder.
To be complacent, is to blunder.


It's no secret that terrorists are trying their damndest to get into the USA. The USA is their "Mecca."
 
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Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

Poll timed out.

1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Purely partisan poll.
 
Verax said:
A lot happened this week as Trump recklessly bashed down the corridor of the presidential hallway; drunk with power and clearly lacking any foresight or caution. One could say he has already blundered by insisting on actually doing the wall and repealing Obamacare; but those are just the opening salvos that are far from fruition. With the almost universal ban on immigrants from 7 countries being effective immediately the actual repercussions are also effective immediately and lives are beginning to be destroyed.

So I ask, is this the first truly undeniable blunder that will mark the beginning of the series of unfortunate events that eventually end the Trump presidency? Or is this the beginning of a glorious new age in America?

Poll timed out.

1) Yes
2) No
3) I'm not sure yet
4) Other
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Doing what he promised his voters he would do? no it is not a blunder of any kind. Sure die hard Anti-Trump tards will consider anything he does a blunder.
 
jamesrage said:
Doing what he promised his voters he would do? no it is not a blunder of any kind. Sure die hard Anti-Trump tards will consider anything he does a blunder.
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Everything he does is a blunder, because everything he wants to do is terrible.
 
Kobie said:
Everything he does is a blunder, because everything he wants to do is terrible.
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Same thing could be said of the last eight years. It's a matter of perspective.
 
Moderate Right said:
The shoe is on the other foot now. Maybe this is the time to do away with executive orders. They are a horrible tool. No point in having a congress when presidents, present and past, can do this crap.
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EO's are not a horrible tool. They're an overused tool, usually the overuse is to circumvent the will of Congress.
 
Kobie said:
Everything he does is a blunder, because everything he wants to do is terrible.
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It must be a challenge to be on the side being mocked and ignored, as opposed to being on the side doing the mocking and ignoring.
 
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