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Non-Republicans: Is it your duty?

As a Democrat or as a non-Republican, is it your duty to subvert a Republican Pres?

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Cardinal said:
The point of Donald Trump being Republican is entirely subservient to the point that he's a madman. In that sense, it's the duty of all Americans to subvert his presidency.
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Jetboogieman said:
Indeed, people have become too desensitized to the reality that he's a crazy person.
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Seriously? This is what is supposed to be considered by any intelligent person to be your genuine concern?

Having scuttled and sunk your own ship, you folks are now lost in an apparent vast ocean of insensate outrage... and no, nobody is wanting to weather the storm you folks have created to rescue you, either. We will just sit and watch from a safe distance as you pull each other under.

But hey, the world was overpopulated anyhow, right? At least going down you can give your last salute to helping your cause. That it also helps ours? Hat tip.
 
Ockham said:
I heard a comment today on one of the news shows which prompted the poll question:

Here's the definition of subvert:
Subvert

Synonym for subvert would be anything from "lessen" to "poison". Vote & comment or just vote - up to you.
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A Republican president? No.

Since we are clearly talking about Trump, however, I do consider it important to subvert him. Not because he's a "Republican" (which he isn't anyway -- he's an opportunistic RINO), but because he is dangerously insane. I don't believe all Republicans are dangerously insane (though our current crop of Congress critters are pretty gutless). And like I said, I also don't believe Trump is even a Republican.

This is a loaded and dishonest question, to be frank.
 
BrewerBob said:
No. It is my duty to oppose policies I disagree with. What the OP describes is partisanship. Just because many Republicans did it to Obama is no reason for others to do it as well.
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This.

Support Trump where he's right (infrastructure spending, scrapping the TPP, though I feel it would have been better to make the whole thing more transparent, particularly the trade tribunals, scrap or greatly soften the draconian IP elements, and defend the sovereignty of signatories by putting burden of proof on corporations to show that regulatory/legislative changes that impinge on their profits were not done in good faith to protect the well being of citizens/the environment), and oppose him where he's wrong (just about everything else).
 
Ikari said:
I can see why people would think that. I mean, Obama and the Dems had power for some time and how many on your side thought it was a necessity to oppose everything he was doing?
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Yeah, but they saw it as an obligation, you know, because Obama was a black guy.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Seriously? This is what is supposed to be considered by any intelligent person to be your genuine concern? .
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Yes. What a silly question.

Any rational, intellectual honest adult understand that Trump suffers from some obvious pathologies.

It's nothing you'd be likely to comprehend.
 
Ockham said:
Just vote.
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Is it the duty of a Democrat to subvert a Republican President?: NO.

Is it the duty of a Democrat to subvert Donald Trump as an illegitimate Republican President with serious personality disorders who could well take this country down the path to fascism?: damn right it is.
 
haymarket said:
Is it the duty of a Democrat to subvert a Republican President?: NO.

Is it the duty of a Democrat to subvert Donald Trump as an illegitimate Republican President with serious personality disorders who could well take this country down the path to fascism?: damn right it is.
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Screen Shot 2017-01-28 at 11.48.30 AM.jpgthank you, for your non supportive position
 
Ockham said:
I heard a comment today on one of the news shows which prompted the poll question:

Here's the definition of subvert:
Subvert

Synonym for subvert would be anything from "lessen" to "poison". Vote & comment or just vote - up to you.
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I'll just comment. I hope to be just like republicans were toward Obama.
 
Trump lost the popular vote and I have no respect whatsoever for the Electoral College...so I do not recognize Trump's authority as POTUS.

I think of Trump the same way I think of drug laws. If I feel like using illegal drugs - I will do so as long as it is worth any hassle that breaking this law might bring.

The same goes for Trump, I do not recognize his authority as POTUS...so I will not obey any rules, laws or orders he makes (that I do not agree with) as long as to ignore his will as POTUS is worth the hassle that doing so might bring forth.

The man is a buffoon and an egomaniac possessing at best only a slightly above average intelligence. I think he is by far the most dangerous POTUS in American history (that I am aware of). Not all of his ideas are bad...but many are absolutely horrific.
The fact that most of those who voted for him apparently were 'white' males with no college/university education who live in the sticks...surprises me not in the slightest. I am a 'white' male who grew up in the sticks (though I went to university)...and I know the type very well.


BTW - I thought Clinton would have been a lousy POTUS as well.
 
DA60 said:
Trump lost the popular vote and I have no respect whatsoever for the Electoral College...so I do not recognize Trump's authority as POTUS.

I think of Trump the same way I think of drug laws. If I feel like using illegal drugs - I will do so as long as it is worth any hassle that breaking this law might bring.

The same goes for Trump, I do not recognize his authority as POTUS...so I will not obey any rules or laws he makes (that I do not agree with) as long as to ignore his will as POTUS is worth the hassle that doing so might bring forth.

The man is a buffoon and an egomaniac. I think he is by far the most dangerous POTUS in American history (that I am aware of). Not all of his ideas are bad...but many are absolutely horrific.
The fact that most of those who voted for him apparently were white males with no college/university education who live in the sticks...surprises me not in the slightest.


BTW - I thought Clinton would have been a lousy POTUS as well.
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then you dont have respect for the constitution?
 
Master PO said:
then you dont have respect for the constitution?
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I have respect for only those parts of the Constitution that I agree with.

I am not some slack-jawed troglodyte who looks upon the Constitution as some sort of Bible who blindly follows it no matter what it says (not that I am saying you do or don't - I do not know).


Bye.
 
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DA60 said:
I have respect for only those parts of the Constitution that I agree with.

I am not some slack-jawed troglodyte who looks upon the Constitution as some sort of Bible who blindly follows it no matter what it says.


Bye.
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that does not say much!
 
I guess this all depends on what type of policies the POTUS is pushing. If a Democratic president pushed for some of the things Trump is I would want to subvert him too.
 
when the founders created our government all legislation which was meant to be in the interest of the people via the house , the state legislatures via the senate and the Union via the president.

its very sad that legislation is pushed though congress with no concern for all three.
 
Non-Republicans: Is it your duty?
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no. but if by "subvert," you mean criticizing him when he suggests (and enacts) policies which i don't believe are good for my country, then yes.
 
By the logic of Trump and his closest supporters, "subvert" means to "criticize," because free speech rights fall under one of those Alternative Amendments. So by that implied definition that has been forced upon us, yes, those of us who haven't lost our reason SHOULD "subvert" him.
 
Ockham said:
I heard a comment today on one of the news shows which prompted the poll question:

Here's the definition of subvert:
Subvert

Synonym for subvert would be anything from "lessen" to "poison". Vote & comment or just vote - up to you.
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I don't think it's anyone's duty to subvert any president of any party be they Republican, Democrat or independent. I think one should support any president on the policies and positions one agrees with and oppose any president on the policies and positions one disagrees with. This idea of being against a president or any elected official on all things, positions, views, legislation, policy only because he is a R or a D and you're of the opposite party is asinine.

We have just went through 8 years where almost all Republicans opposed Obama on almost everything only because he was a Democrat and not whether he was right or wrong, the legislation good or bad, his policies good or bad. To do the same for a President Trump may be payback, but in my opinion it certainly harms this nation.

Like with Obama, Bush before him, Clinton before Bush, Bush the elder before Clinton and on back to Eisenhower, I will support President Trump when I think he is right and his policies good for the nation and oppose him when I think he is wrong and his policies harmful to this nation. R or D is irrelevant to me.

When party affiliation takes precedence of country, the good of the party over the good of the nation, loyalty to party and not the nation, our political system of having two major parties have become a complete and utter failure. This party first and nation whenever we get to it has to stop. If not, this nation is in a world of hurt and probably doesn't have long to live.
 
Combatting Trump's bigoted, plutocratic, and anti-intellectual political platform that threatens American power and preeminence has little to do with party affiliation. It's a general duty of any decent or at least sane person to oppose lunatic policies.
 
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