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Do you support legal hunting in the USA

Do you support legal hunting in the USA

  • Yes, I support legal hunting in the USA

    Votes: 83 86.5%

  • I support only hunting for food

    Votes: 10 10.4%

  • I support shooting nuisance animals

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I support only Native Americans being able to hunt

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I oppose all forms of hunting being legal

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Other-specify

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • Total voters
    96
TurtleDude said:
you don't spend much time in cities do you? or have a deck?
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Actually I grew-up deep in the city, where sparrows and pigeons were a welcome wildlife accent to the steel & concrete landscape.

Now I'm suburban. No deck, but a patio. My dogs take care of that! ;)

But outside of the city, how can one possibly kill-off enough of the little buggers to make a dent? And what do you use? I suspect a scattergun loaded with fine bird, right? I'd say get a good cat, or two, maybe.
 
NonoBadDog said:
I fully support hunting legally. I am planning on killing some coyotes that have been killing our deer and turkeys. I will then skin them and sell the pelts or tan then myself. I will not eat the coyotes.
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My dogs asked me to tell you to get an extra one for them! ;)
 
BrewerBob said:
I'm a vegan, and yes, I support legal hunting for both food and conservation methods. I don't support hunting solely for sport and trophies. Meaning if the only reason you are hunting is to get that adrenaline rush and something to hang on your wall then I think that is immoral.

I get the thrill of the hunt. Of communing with nature and tracking an animal. It is why I love nature photography. Here are a couple of my prized shots I got up close and personal while on safari in Zimbabwe.

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And then this guy charged me about 2 seconds after taking this picture. Fortunately there was a tree bigger than him I was able to run behind. :)

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Here I am on the Zambezi river with my weapon of choice.

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How would I have gotten more satisfaction from shooting those creatures with a rifle instead of a camera? More importantly, I left them there for perhaps others to enjoy later. So I am very much against hunting that is solely for sport. But that isn't most hunting.

And as a vegan I recognize hunted meat is more ethical than farm grown meat and, due to "till kill", may at times even be more ethical than large scale farmed produce.
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Great stuff, Bob! :thumbs:
 
Chomsky said:
Actually I grew-up deep in the city, where sparrows and pigeons were a welcome wildlife accent to the steel & concrete landscape.

Now I'm suburban. No deck, but a patio. My dogs take care of that! ;)

But outside of the city, how can one possibly kill-off enough of the little buggers to make a dent? And what do you use? I suspect a scattergun loaded with fine bird, right? I'd say get a good cat, or two, maybe.
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I tend to leave em alone unless they take up residence in the horse barn. that doesn't happen often because our horse barn is full (at least in the spring through early fall) of barn swallows who aren't happy with other birds in their area. But my son is pure hell on starlings and has probably killed a couple thousand since he was old enough to shoot my old Beeman R7 airgun. Now he has a top of the line FX PCP with a Hawke scope and he's whacked them out to about 90 yards. We have a deck and a bunch of somewhat dead trees that they roost in and he doesn't miss much. Plus the backstop (our cornfield) puts 450M between us and the nearest neighbor so he can blast away without any fear of harming anything other than a starling
 
TurtleDude said:
now I read about some "Iron palm" master who fought bulls. small ones for sure but he didn't have "picadors" weaken the bull's ability to keep its head up with lance attacks etc. He went one on one with the bulls and killed them with an "iron palm" strike. Now I don't know if that is something that should be legal but its far less disgusting than what goes on or went on in classic bullfighting
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My Italian grandfather had a fetish for bullfighting. When I was a kid, before there was cable or internet, he had a satellite link getting international feeds. Satellite then was extremely rare, unheard of in a residence, and ridiculously expensive. But he had a lot of connections, so he had it.

And that's what we'd watch by his house on weekends. So yeah, I'm O.K. with it, and if ever I make it to Spain or visit Mexico again (now as an adult), I'll attend.
 
Killing basically defenseless animals/birds for sport is for the mentally/emotionally weak, imo. Anyone that gets a big kick out of hunting pheasant or deer is just strange - maybe even a little sick. That's not sport...that is just slaughter - and I am not debating it as nothing can be stated that I could remotely think of could change my mind in the slightest on that. If anything, as time passes, I get more and more set in this line of thinking.
I mean - some guy/gal running around with a bunch of equipment and a high powered rifle trying to kill a defenseless deer is not cool at ALL. I would not get a kick out of that in the slightest.

Now killing dangerous animals - I can live with that (to a point). But ONLY if the animals are carnivores and dangerous.

Killing for food...another thing entirely.

BTW - I do not agree with eating living creatures that you are not prepared to kill, dress and prepare yourself. I am not prepared to kill a cow or a pig...so I do not eat beef or pork. I could kill/dress/prepare a bird or a fish. So I sometimes do eat bird or fish...though I try not to as I would not like to kill them either (but I could).
 
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TurtleDude said:
I tend to leave em alone unless they take up residence in the horse barn. that doesn't happen often because our horse barn is full (at least in the spring through early fall) of barn swallows who aren't happy with other birds in their area. But my son is pure hell on starlings and has probably killed a couple thousand since he was old enough to shoot my old Beeman R7 airgun. Now he has a top of the line FX PCP with a Hawke scope and he's whacked them out to about 90 yards. We have a deck and a bunch of somewhat dead trees that they roost in and he doesn't miss much. Plus the backstop (our cornfield) puts 450M between us and the nearest neighbor so he can blast away without any fear of harming anything other than a starling
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Nice, Turtle.

What a great little pastime for a kid.

And man, I can't remember the last time I heard "Beeman Airgun". I must've been twelve! Of course, we called them 'BB' Guns. The used to be sold at Sears, back in the day. Along with Ben Pearson bows.
 
TurtleDude said:
Simple question: do you support people being able to legally hunt wildlife in the USA
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I don't hunt myself, but if people want to do so legally, I see no problem with it.
 
I like the use of the term "nuisance animals". In my experiences the most annoying and often more dangerous "nuisance animals" are humans.
 
Sport hunting is nothing more than organized animal abuse because it is done for the exact same reasons of lighting cats on fire or strangling dogs: simply because it can be done. Even if you eat the meat or utilize the coat, those who torture and abuse animals could do the exact same thing with the leftovers of their adventures. There is no way to enforce such a law so actual legislation would be a waste of time. Also, a sport by nature requires competition to exist in some form of equal approach so unless the deer are packing as well, calling it a sport is like slapping a five year old and calling self defense.

Before anyone attempts to deflect by assuming to know anything about my past, all I can suggest is taking a break from that ploy. I grew up hunting and slept ten feet from a gun case that had several shotguns, rifles, revolvers, handguns and even an early model operating Winchester. After Iraq it became clear hunting and killing unarmed creatures that are simply living, when I dont need the food or the fur or need of protection on some level, was nothing more than torture.
 
Chomsky said:
My Italian grandfather had a fetish for bullfighting. When I was a kid, before there was cable or internet, he had a satellite link getting international feeds. Satellite then was extremely rare, unheard of in a residence, and ridiculously expensive. But he had a lot of connections, so he had it.

And that's what we'd watch by his house on weekends. So yeah, I'm O.K. with it, and if ever I make it to Spain or visit Mexico again (now as an adult), I'll attend.
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Great. What other ways do you enjoy seeing animals tortured?
 
TurtleDude said:
I agree but I dispute the depraved. I don't hunt stuff I cannot eat save for shooting stuff like pigeons (they aren't native, they carry histoplasmosis and make a mess in my horse barn) coyotes (they have killed two of my cats and several of my ducks) English Sparrows and starlings (not native, etc) and woodchucks (their burrowing is deleterious to our barns, and in the horse field, their burrows can cause horses to break legs and Raccoons (their urine carries diseases when they piss in the area where we keep feed for the horses)
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Maybe we could save some time if you gave us a run down on the animals that you're okay with actually being left alive . Like should I worry about my dog if you move next door?
 
TurtleDude said:
Simple question: do you support people being able to legally hunt wildlife in the USA
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I could not do it myself. I hunt with a camera. But I have no problem with a properly managed hunting season in which the size, type. and number of animals that can be taken is strictly controlled. It is absolutely necessary in some areas to prevent over population of animals that can be detrimental to all their well being.
 
TurtleDude said:
Simple question: do you support people being able to legally hunt wildlife in the USA
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Yes, of course. Though, I don't personally participate since my religion frowns on recreational hunting.
 
I used to be against hunting. Since learning how to do it myself as well as the role humans play in conservation and natural balance, I think it's a good thing. Even if people are hunting for sport they should be responsible for the carcasses themselves, instead of just taking off the head and leaving the corpse to rot. You killed it, so you deal with it.

Ideally hunting should be for food but in the modern world humans have caused such natural imbalance that it's up to us to cull populations, so even sportive hunting has to be part of it.

The first time I went hunting with an experienced person, we were hunting deer. I had a pit in my stomach about the whole thing but at the same time I had a morbid curiosity about it. I know this might sound weird but it ended up being a sacred experience for me... tracking it, killing it, cleaning it while in the field, freezing my butt off but also connecting with the life I just took; packing up the meat, pelt and horns, feeding my family with it for the whole winter season.

People should be so lucky to be connected to their food.
 
I think all hunting should be allowed if the aim is to get food (within reason, no need to make animals extinct for food), to deal with nuisance animals, for sport (again, only if it does not lead to extinction/serious decrease in wildlife) but only on public lands, not on private lands. And the hunters must be trained/following the rules and regulations to ensure safe hunting for everyone.

Even here in the Netherlands (where gun use is banned) I fully support the hunt to deal with nuisance animals or for food production (but unlike in the US, I would say that in the Netherlands the hunt for food animals, usually small game birds, deers, boars, should be done on private lands where the game warden of that estate takes care that there is not hunting to such a level that it negatively impacts the flora and fauna in that estate.

If there is an abundance of animals, why not shoot that animal if it is done for food, native Alaskans have been doing for centuries. I watch animal planet and see how the Texas game wardens make sure that hunting is done legally and safely, and I think that is a good system to make sure the smaller animals get to live and reproduce and still give people who want to hunt, a good hunting experience.

Personally though I would not hunt because I do not like nature or guns ;)
 
Even liberal tree hugging sister back in Maine came around to the value in hunting and culling.

Right about the time 9-10 black bears wiped out her 30 acres of corn some years ago.
 
X Factor said:
Maybe we could save some time if you gave us a run down on the animals that you're okay with actually being left alive . Like should I worry about my dog if you move next door?
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that's hysterical bambist nonsense.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh I was on a thread in bias in the press that involved extreme animal rights organizations and it appears there more than a few posters on this board who want to severely restrict or even ban hunting
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Names, please? I was in that thread and unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone calling for a ban on hunting.
 
tres borrachos said:
Names, please? I was in that thread and unless I missed it, I didn't see anyone calling for a ban on hunting.
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Well they can answer the poll. there were people who said trophy hunting was disgusting. and only a few people on this board were on that thread so I said this poll up to see
 
TurtleDude said:
Well they can answer the poll. there were people who said trophy hunting was disgusting. and only a few people on this board were on that thread so I said this poll up to see
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Name so the people in that thread that you said want to ban hunting, please. I was an active participant in that thread and I didn't see anyone say they want hunting banned.
 
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