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Will Trump castrate the EPA?

Will Trump castrate the EPA?

  • Castrate... make ineffectual

    Votes: 31 79.5%

  • Close the EPA

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • No meaningful change

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
Russell797 said:
Simple. Go ahead and gut the EPA. Do it. My state will continue on a path toward a cleaner environment. You can live in a **** hole for all I care. Just keep your pollution out of my state and you will never hear a word. If you can't, and you won't be able to, I reserve the right to blast you for it.
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LOL.

Is that a threat Russell797? Are you threatening to shoot me?

I'd be interested to learn how Mass figured out how to block atmosphere from entering it's airspace from other states.

I'd suggest you tone down the threats of murder if you value your ability to post your opinions here.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL.

Is that a threat Russell797? Are you threatening to shoot me?

I'd be interested to learn how Mass figured out how to block atmosphere from entering it's airspace from other states.

I'd suggest you tone down the threats of murder if you value your ability to post your opinions here.
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Shoot you? No, I couldn't find you even if I wanted to. Plus, I have no use for guns. I don't like your kind though. I don't like or agree with thugs who seek to destroy my world. We will move on without you and despite you. So will California. Keep your crap out of my state. Your problem not mine. If you think you can **** on us with impunity think again.
 
Russell797 said:
Shoot you? No, I couldn't find you even if I wanted to. Plus, I have no use for guns. I don't like your kind though. I don't like or agree with thugs who seek to destroy my world. We will move on without you and despite you. So will California. Keep your crap out of my state. Your problem not mine. If you think you can **** on us with impunity think again.
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Awesome rant Russell797. And yes, when you write that you will blast me, that is a threat.

Not surprised your ability to communicate ideas and opinions originates that deep in the cesspool.
 
ocean515 said:
Awesome rant Russell797. And yes, when you write that you will blast me, that is a threat.

Not surprised your ability to communicate ideas and opinions originates that deep in the cesspool.
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Can you read? I'm talking about a state deciding to reduce environmental regulations which will impact MY state. You seem to be ok with it since you in favor of a weakened federal EPA. Are you so self centered and insecure that you thought I was referring to you personally?
 
zimmer said:
Castrate... make ineffectual... even close?
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I think he will gut parts of the EPA. Some parts need gutted. I think he will leave other parts alone. His SCOTUS nominee isn't a fan of agencies pulling regulations out of thin air. His mother used to head the EPA. His EPA appointee isn't a fan of the overreach EPA.
 
Russell797 said:
Feedback will function as it has more or less since the beginning of time. Physics does not change just because humans are here.

The last ice age was 5 or 6c colder than today, yet the solar forcing due to orbital shift was very small. Much less than 3.7w/m^2. Most of that change was due to feedback, mostly albedo.
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I am glad you at least agree that the feedbacks will likely not change.
As to the changes since the last Ice age, the IPCC claims that each Wm-2 change in energy imbalance, causes
a .3 C change in temperature, so the solar forcing due to orbital shift to cause a 5 or 6 C change would have to
be between 16 and 20 Wm-2.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/pdf/tar-01.pdf
In other words, the radiative forcing corresponding to a doubling of the CO2 concentration
would be 4 Wm−2. To counteract this imbalance, the temperature of the
surface-troposphere system would have to increase by 1.2°C (with an accuracy of ±10%),
in the absence of other changes.
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Russell797 said:
Can you read? I'm talking about a state deciding to reduce environmental regulations which will impact MY state. You seem to be ok with it since you in favor of a weakened federal EPA. Are you so self centered and insecure that you thought I was referring to you personally?
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I can read. I can read, "I reserve the right to blast you".

Are you so tweaked and twisted you would believe California would reduce environmental regulations?

Are you so self centered and emasculated you believe anyone would want to destroy the environment?

I, and 10's of millions of others, believe the EPA has gone too far. It has been turned into a gestapo like operation that seeks to rule over people, deciding where they should live, who they should work for, and how they should live. As a regulatory agency, it has no connection to the people, no responsibility to legislate and consider anything other than what it decrees.

If you don't like that the EPA will be returned to original mission. Tough. Your opinion will be as meaningless in the future, as the EPA has placed the opinions of 10's of millions of citizens before now.
 
ocean515 said:
I can read. I can read, "I reserve the right to blast you".

Are you so tweaked and twisted you would believe California would reduce environmental regulations?

Are you so self centered and emasculated you believe anyone would want to destroy the environment?

I, and 10's of millions of others, believe the EPA has gone too far. It has been turned into a gestapo like operation that seeks to rule over people, deciding where they should live, who they should work for, and how they should live. As a regulatory agency, it has no connection to the people, no responsibility to legislate and consider anything other than what it decrees.

If you don't like that the EPA will be returned to original mission. Tough. Your opinion will be as meaningless in the future, as the EPA has placed the opinions of 10's of millions of citizens before now.
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WE ARE destroying the environment. It's not an if.

The EPA is currently acting in it's original capacity. It has never changed. It doesn't legislate anything. It follows the law.

People can not pollute the environment and legally get away with it. That is unless you remove the agency which sees to it that they don't. If you don't like it then tough. You millions don't give two craps about the environment and now you are in control. You can't have it both ways. If you care about the environment you will seek to actively protect it from selfish interests. You don't and you won't. So an already declining environment will go on unabated... Good job by a bunch of science denying imbeciles.
 
Russell797 said:
WE ARE destroying the environment. It's not an if.

The EPA is currently acting in it's original capacity. It has never changed. It doesn't legislate anything. It follows the law.

People can not pollute the environment and legally get away with it. That is unless you remove the agency which see to it that they don't. If you don't like it then tough. You millions don't give two craps about the environment and now you are in control. You can't have it both ways. If you care about the environment you will seek to actively protect it form selfish interests. You don't and you won't. So an already declining environment will go on unabated... Good job by a bunch of science denying imbeciles.
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You have no idea what you are writing about. None.

The EPA creates law by regulatory decree. Astonishing you don't comprehend that.

For example, the EPA is currently rolling out it's "Environmental Justice" program that takes local control from cities, counties, and states, and determines how the people in those areas live, work, and play.

That is NOT a component of their original mandate.

Your insults and threats of death and violence are tedious and not unexpected from radical activists who you seem to be a part of.

For the sake of a healthy and prosperous nation, I am thrilled radical environmental activists are outraged, and are left with little more than spouting their nonsense to a increasingly deaf audience.
 
longview said:
I am glad you at least agree that the feedbacks will likely not change.
As to the changes since the last Ice age, the IPCC claims that each Wm-2 change in energy imbalance, causes
a .3 C change in temperature, so the solar forcing due to orbital shift to cause a 5 or 6 C change would have to
be between 16 and 20 Wm-2.
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/pdf/tar-01.pdf
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Yes, and with the feedback in place the total change in temp was on the order of 6C....some lack of feedback right there. My point is that most of the change was do to feedback, not the original forcing.
 
ocean515 said:
You have no idea what you are writing about. None.

The EPA creates law by regulatory decree. Astonishing you don't comprehend that.

For example, the EPA is currently rolling out it's "Environmental Justice" program that takes local control from cities, counties, and states, and determines how the people in those areas live, work, and play.

That is NOT a component of their original mandate.

Your insults and threats of death and violence are tedious and not unexpected from radical activists who you seem to be a part of.

For the sake of a healthy and prosperous nation, I am thrilled radical environmental activists are outraged, and are left with little more than spouting their nonsense to a increasingly deaf audience.
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Please site the law you think the EPA is misusing? Or legislating on it's own. Where are the court orders for the EPA to cease and desist? There are none. IN FACT THE COURTS HAVE ORDERED THE EPA TO DO WHAT IT DOES, so as to comply with the law. You don't know what you are talking about.

Threats and violence? You read into things that aren't there. Keep your crap out of my state. If you don't we will bash you for it. Get it?

You science deniers argue against science with ideology. That's all you've got. Pathetic and tragic.
 
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Russell797 said:
Please site the law you think the EPA is misusing? Or legislating on it's own. Where are the court orders for the EPA to cease and desist? There are none. IN FACT THE COURTS HAVE ORDERED THE EPA TO DO WHAT IT DOES, so as to comply with the law. You don't know what you are talking about.
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I know precisely what I am talking about. How does the EPA misuse a law, when it wrote it in the first place?

Your rants do nothing to shield you from the fact you appear to know nothing about the EPA's activities, and only defend them from little more than perception and belief.

Have you ever read to learn what they do on a regular basis?

Here, a place I find highly unlikely you knew existed.

https://www.regulations.gov/

You can read every rule, proposed rule, and adopted rule regulatory agencies blanket the public and business with.

You can single out the EPA, and read everything they are doing.

That's now I know what I'm talking about, what do you use? An Earth First pamphlet?
 
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ocean515 said:
I know precisely what I am talking about. How does the EPA misuse a law, when it wrote it in the first place?

Your rants do nothing to shield you from the fact you appear to know nothing about the EPA's activities, and only defend them from little more than perception and belief.
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What laws? I'll ask you again. What laws. Congress writes laws, not the EPA. The courts would not allow any such thing your conspiracy theory suggests.
 
Russell797 said:
Yes, and with the feedback in place the total change in temp was on the order of 6C....some lack of feedback right there. My point is that most of the change was do to feedback, not the original forcing.
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We do not have any way of knowing the ratio of forcing to feedback, only that the energy imbalance was present.
 
ocean515 said:
:doh

What do you think a regulation is, a suggestion?
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A regulation is an enforcement of a law. It is not the law itself. The law says you can't dump a known pollutant on the ground or into a body of water because that would be in violation of the Clean Water Act. You can't do it. The EPA sets a regulation on how much of a pollutant you can dump, if any at all, based on current science.
 
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Russell797 said:
A regulation is an enforcement of a law. It is not the law itself. The law says you can't dump a known pollutant on the ground or into a body of water because that would be in violation of the Clean Water Act. You can't do it. The EPA sets a regulation on how much of a pollutant you can dump, if any at all, based on current science.
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:shock:

The Clean Water Act gave authority to the EPA to implement the Act via regulatory law covering the areas of jurisdiction granted to it.

There is nothing to gain from further conversation based on your understanding of a regulation an agency like the EPA requires people and business to live by.
 
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