Trump Won Because Of

Flip side of the other poll question.

Hillary was the worst candidate in the nation's history.

Fishking said:

Hillary was the worst candidate in the nation's history.

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Which if true means that this is the DNC's fault.

All of the above.

Moderate Right said:

Flip side of the other poll question.

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He won because of Trump. He filled his venues, for God's sake. People are craving for his message. He's not politically correct. People, frankly, are pretty sick of politically correct. I know I am.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

Tens of millions picked something different.

MaggieD said:

He won because of Trump. He filled his venues, for God's sake. People are craving for his message. He's not politically correct. People, frankly, are pretty sick of politically correct. I know I am.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

Tens of millions picked something different.

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I'm going to disagree with that a little bit. Hillary definitely ran a bad campaign. She had millions of people convinced she was a criminal. She had some of the worst favorable ratings of any presidential candidate ever. And she had a letter come out two weeks before the election saying she was under investigation by the FBI. And despite all that, a .2% win in Michigan .7% wins in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were the difference between a win and a loss.

I'm sure there were a ton of people who picked Trump just because he was different, policies be damned. And I'm sure there were a ton of people who picked him because they believed that Trump's trade and immigration policies will bring back the jobs that they lost. But considering all of the many, many, flaws that Hillary Clinton had, and the fact that the margin was still infinitesimally small, I'm inclined to believe that Trump did not win because he was Trump. The biggest reason he won, was because overall the voters found his many, many flaws to be slightly worse than Clinton's.

Hillary. Any other Democratic candidate would've beat him in a landslide.

Trump keeps score. Trump wanted to win. Welcome to TrumpWorld!

Anagram said:

I'm going to disagree with that a little bit. Hillary definitely ran a bad campaign. She had millions of people convinced she was a criminal. She had some of the worst favorable ratings of any presidential candidate ever. And she had a letter come out two weeks before the election saying she was under investigation by the FBI. And despite all that, a .2% win in Michigan .7% wins in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were the difference between a win and a loss.

I'm sure there were a ton of people who picked Trump just because he was different, policies be damned. And I'm sure there were a ton of people who picked him because they believed that Trump's trade and immigration policies will bring back the jobs that they lost. But considering all of the many, many, flaws that Hillary Clinton had, and the fact that the margin was still infinitesimally small, I'm inclined to believe that Trump did not win because he was Trump. The biggest reason he won, was because overall the voters found his many, many flaws to be slightly worse than Clinton's.

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actually Anagram it is really quite simple why Trump won.

1, It was Conservatives that dragged his arse across the finish line. And the number one reason for voting for him is because of the Supreme Court. That is why he carried FL, OH and NC.

2. Hillary took for granted the blue wall. When the Philadelphia Police endorsed Donald Trump that tells a story right there. This current administration declared war on police departments across this country. Hillary had no support from border patrol to local police forces. They stood with Trump. A political party that ****'s on the men in blue shouldn't expect them to vote for them.

Months before the election union workers from police, firefighters, to telecommunication outfits were requesting Republican ballots that normally vote Democrat.

3. Another reason more union workers went for Trump is because he said he would end Obamacare. You see union workers enjoyed Cadillac healthcare till Obamacare and then it got gutted especially for retirees. It sure didn't help Clinton when two weeks out from the election news breaks about the hideous increases in insurance premiums and insurance companies pulling out of Obamacare.



While you point to the close margins in the vote in places like MI, WI, and PA, you fail to mention the close margins in MN and NH where Clinton barely won. Not to mention only by two points in NV.

There's a slew of reasons Hillary lost that have nothing to do with WikiLeaks or hackings.

I am not a Trump fan but when the rubber met the road I had only two choices. The Supreme Court is why I voted for Trump.

Josie said:

Hillary. Any other Democratic candidate would've beat him in a landslide.

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I think Trump would adapt however without Comey or Ruskies Clinton creams him.

Clinton lost because of Benghazi without this you have no e-mails or wiki-leaks that the electorate is going to care about.

vesper said:

actually Anagram it is really quite simple why Trump won.

1, It was Conservatives that dragged his arse across the finish line. And the number one reason for voting for him is because of the Supreme Court. That is why he carried FL, OH and NC.

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People voting for the Supreme Court is certainly another thing that helped, (and hurt, with people from the other side holding their nose for Clinton), but I don't think that makes up the entire margin in any of those states. Certainly not the 9% Hillary lost Ohio by. It's hard to tell for sure, but the SCOTUS seat didn't seem to be at the forefront for most voters. That seemed to be a bigger factor for people who would frequent places like DP and were more politically informed. And it's additionally hard to measure the counterweight of how many people voted for Clinton solely because of the seat. I'm not going to disagree that it was a factor, because it was, but I don't think that those voters made the margin in those states.

2. Hillary took for granted the blue wall. When the Philadelphia Police endorsed Donald Trump that tells a story right there. This current administration declared war on police departments across this country. Hillary had no support from border patrol to local police forces. They stood with Trump. A political party that ****'s on the men in blue shouldn't expect them to vote for them.

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I don't really think Hillary expected police to vote for her.

Months before the election union workers from police, firefighters, to telecommunication outfits were requesting Republican ballots that normally vote Democrat.

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Sure.

3. Another reason more union workers went for Trump is because he said he would end Obamacare. You see union workers enjoyed Cadillac healthcare till Obamacare and then it got gutted especially for retirees. It sure didn't help Clinton when two weeks out from the election news breaks about the hideous increases in insurance premiums and insurance companies pulling out of Obamacare.

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Another factor for sure, but again I don't think a huge one. The people who are against Obamacare from the right by and large would never have voted for Clinton anyway. The people against it from the left, wanting a single payer option, probably didn't vote for Trump. I don't think this was a big source of added Trump votes.

While you point to the close margins in the vote in places like MI, WI, and PA, you fail to mention the close margins in MN and NH where Clinton barely won. Not to mention only by two points in NV.

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That's not really relevant to why Trump won. I was just pointing out that the election was about as close as possible. Hillary winning some states by small margins doesn't really matter to that point.

There's a slew of reasons Hillary lost that have nothing to do with WikiLeaks or hackings.

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And here I disagree. Those emails being released probably hurt her. And the Comey letter definitely did. If a reason Hillary lost can be described as something where Hillary would've won if it didn't happen, then because of how close the election was, I'd say that those qualify.

I am not a Trump fan but when the rubber met the road I had only two choices. The Supreme Court is why I voted for Trump.

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Fair enough.

Josie said:

Hillary. Any other Democratic candidate would've beat him in a landslide.

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Then why did the DNC anoint her?

reinoe said:

Then why did the DNC anoint her?

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Because they naively thought she could rise above all of her scandals.

I believe the rust belt went Trump largely due to his campaign against Hillary's defense of NAFTA and he seems to be the better candidate in bringing jobs back.

It will always be hard for a Democrat to win the South when the majority are against abortion and gun control.

Throw in the fear mongering of border security and you have what I believe are the 3 biggest factors driving the Trump campaign.

When Trump said he could do anything and still win, he was correct because he knew from a policy stand point he stood with the majority of states. Hillary spent so much time attacking his character rather than policies she overlooked the fact that he was gaining tremendous support on what he was campaigning on.

At the end of the day all of the emails, political correctness, and other things for or against Trump really didn't matter.

Nap said:

I believe the rust belt went Trump largely due to his campaign against Hillary's defense of NAFTA and he seems to be the better candidate in bringing jobs back.

It will always be hard for a Democrat to win the South when the majority are against abortion and gun control.

Throw in the fear mongering of border security and you have what I believe are the 3 biggest factors driving the Trump campaign.

When Trump said he could do anything and still win, he was correct because he knew from a policy stand point he stood with the majority of states. Hillary spent so much time attacking his character rather than policies she overlooked the fact that he was gaining tremendous support on what he was campaigning on.

At the end of the day all of the emails, political correctness, and other things for or against Trump really didn't matter.

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hillary's sense of entitlement to an office she has been scheming to win since she was still wearing a training bra turned lots of people off

Anagram said:

And here I disagree. Those emails being released probably hurt her. And the Comey letter definitely did. If a reason Hillary lost can be described as something where Hillary would've won if it didn't happen, then because of how close the election was, I'd say that those qualify.

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I disagree. It wasn't Comey's fault that Clinton's closest aide downloaded her emails onto her family computer, the same one her husband was using to trash talk to an underage girl.

It was just another obvious example how Clinton and the people around her are very reckless when it comes to security. It is why the DNC was hacked. From the private server, to those she emailed being hacked to Podesta fecklessly falling for a phishing to Huma downloading her personal emails onto her home computer that happened to be used by her husband the pervert.

In the last eight years since Obama took office hubby has been informed THREE times his military information had been compromised due to hackings. I have had one bank inform me and my internet provider along with a store that I do business with that my information had been compromised.

Evidently hacking didn't become such a bad thing till Clinton lost the election. Unbelievable.

Moderate Right said:

Flip side of the other poll question.

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I'm getting the distinct impression that November 9th was the highlight of Trump supporters' lives, and they'll be reliving that date over and over and over again like a middle aged man reliving the day he scored the winning touchdown in his high school football team.

Cardinal said:

I'm getting the distinct impression that November 9th was the highlight of Trump supporters' lives, and they'll be reliving that date over and over and over again like a middle aged man reliving the day he scored the winning touchdown in his high school football team.

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Is that based on how you felt the day after Obama won?

Hillary Clinton bragged about making people in the coal industry unemployed and destitute.

This really excited liberals in places like New York, California, and Chicago. The notion of hurting American voters and making other U.S. citizens destitute is exciting to liberals. However moderates realize that it's despicable to hate your fellow Americans that much which is why there was such impressive turnout for Trump in places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. You can't win the presidency when you literally hate huge swaths of the electorate.

Josie said:

Because they naively thought she could rise above all of her scandals.

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Kinda like swimming with a chain around your neck.

Where are all the people who said Russia hacked the election?

vesper said:

I disagree. It wasn't Comey's fault that Clinton's closest aide downloaded her emails onto her family computer, the same one her husband was using to trash talk to an underage girl.

It was just another obvious example how Clinton and the people around her are very reckless when it comes to security. It is why the DNC was hacked. From the private server, to those she emailed being hacked to Podesta fecklessly falling for a phishing to Huma downloading her personal emails onto her home computer that happened to be used by her husband the pervert.

In the last eight years since Obama took office hubby has been informed THREE times his military information had been compromised due to hackings. I have had one bank inform me and my internet provider along with a store that I do business with that my information had been compromised.

Evidently hacking didn't become such a bad thing till Clinton lost the election. Unbelievable.

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Not saying that the Comey letter wasn't at least partially Clinton's fault or that the DNC emails weren't at least partially the fault DNC operatives that wrote them. But I also think that the letter saying Clinton was still under investigation probably shifted at least .7% of the vote in those three states. Therefore, by definition it is a cause of why she lost.

If that letter hadn't been sent, would Clinton have won? Because the elections was so close, she probably would've. Doesn't mean that there aren't a whole bunch of other things that are the cause. But it was a cause.

Anagram said:

Not saying that the Comey letter wasn't at least partially Clinton's fault or that the DNC emails weren't at least partially the fault DNC operatives that wrote them. But I also think that the letter saying Clinton was still under investigation probably shifted at least .7% of the vote in those three states. Therefore, by definition it is a cause of why she lost.

If that letter hadn't been sent, would Clinton have won? Because the elections was so close, she probably would've. Doesn't mean that there aren't a whole bunch of other things that are the cause. But it was a cause.

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I don't know if the letter did more to hurt Hillary than the leaking of Trump bragging about how celebrities like him can snatch ***** etc. I think that attacks on Hillary's character were more material to her inability to be president than the attacks on Trump was to his ability to lead

TurtleDude said:

hillary's sense of entitlement to an office she has been scheming to win since she was still wearing a training bra turned lots of people off

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I agree but not enough to make a significant impact, many that believed that were mostly partisan voters that wouldn't have voted for a Democrat in the first place.

Moderate Right said:

Flip side of the other poll question.

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You know where I stand on this from my post on the other thread. In the states that mattered, Trump out campaigned Hillary big time. To put it another way, Trump gave it all he had. Most importantly to him is that he put twitter away for the last two weeks and stayed on message. Hillary seemed to want to coast at the end, perhaps thinking she had it won. She didn't. Trump even with all his missteps and foot in mouth disease, gave it everything he had. Hillary not so much. Trump just wanted it more than Hillary. For Trump, effort equaled results.