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Hillary Lost Because Of

Hillary Lost The Election Because Of:

  • The Comey Letter

    Votes: 10 8.7%

  • The Russian Hacking

    Votes: 4 3.5%

  • Hillary

    Votes: 101 87.8%
  • Total voters
    115
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Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
 
I have posted this before.

The Russians/Fake news did not cause Hillary to lose the election!

The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself- Hillary.


Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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The choice is simple. Hillary is to blame. She was responsible for the team she assembled. She gladly accepted the assistance of the biased frauds in the MSM. She placed people in powerful positions who encouraged voter manipulation and fraud.

In the end, against a time when voters showed they had enough of the Washington Establishment Elites on both sides of the aisle, she ignored the everyday American's struggling to keep their heads above water, and then, in the most revealing and despicable statement from a major party Presidential Candidate said:

"...you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it."​

That claim, IMO, is is what sunk Hillary's chances, not all these other made up stories and excuses.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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The real choice of why she lost isn't up there but I went with Hillary as its the closest thing. It was her skin color that cost her the election.
 
All three should have been an option. Prioritized it would be:

Hillary
Russian hacks
Comedy letter

There was more than that such as the foundation, flat campaign, voter suppression and more.
 
The longer democrats continue to believe she lost because of Russians, racists and retards, the longer they will remain out of power. So yeah, it was the Russians.
 
Fletch said:
The longer democrats continue to believe she lost because of Russians, racists and retards, the longer they will remain out of power. So yeah, it was the Russians.
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no, it was just the racists and retards
 
ocean515 said:
The choice is simple. Hillary is to blame. She was responsible for the team she assembled. She gladly accepted the assistance of the biased frauds in the MSM. She placed people in powerful positions who encouraged voter manipulation and fraud.

In the end, against a time when voters showed they had enough of the Washington Establishment Elites on both sides of the aisle, she ignored the everyday American's struggling to keep their heads above water, and then, in the most revealing and despicable statement from a major party Presidential Candidate said:

"...you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it."​

That claim, IMO, is is what sunk Hillary's chances, not all these other made up stories and excuses.
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There is one other thing that doesn't get adequate credit: Trump's boundless energy. Like him or not, the guy went out there several times a day, nearly every day and campaigned whereas Hillary cowered behind a friendly media.

Trump is/was the Energizer Bunny that promises to get the country straightened out and people working again. What did Hillary offer? Nothing worth repeating.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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I have to say after the election, on Wednesday morning I was totally surprised Trump won. But Hillary has only herself to blame for the loss. Trump out campaigned her, 116 campaign visits, rallies, appearances to 71 for Hillary from 1 Sep to 8 Nov. Some of those 71 were fund raisers for Hillary in deep blue California and New York. In the three states that made the difference, Trump out campaigned Hillary in appearances and thus media attention on the local news six to zero in Wisconsin. In Michigan, Trump five, Hillary one. Pennsylvania was closer, 8-5 Trump. Even in Florida Trump made 13 appearances to Clinton's 8. Trump never took a day off, Clinton took several.

Even when hubby Bill told Hillary she was in trouble in Michigan the week of the campaign, Hillary ignored Bill and continued to campaign and spend in places like Iowa, even Georgia and Arizona. She in my opinion was trying to run up the score instead of concentrating on winning. I also think the FBI, Comey, the classified e-mails were already baked into the equation. That had been around forever and people had already made up their minds on that. Wiki leaks, embarrassing, especially to Sanders supporters who always thought the Democratic primaries were rigged in Hillary's favor, the e-mails proved it. There is a very good possibility it caused some, maybe a lot of Sanders supporters to stay home and not vote at all. They didn't like Hillary to begin with and at times referring to her as "Wall Street Hillary."

Exit polls showed Sanders supporters voted 65 to 22 in favor of Clinton with 13% voting third party. Compare that to those who affiliated with the Democratic Party, they went to Hillary 89-8 with 3% voting third party. In Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, those Sanders no shows and Hillary receiving 24 points lower than average probably cost her there. Then there was the union household vote, Obama won them by 18 points over Romney, Hillary by just 8 over Trump. Trump addressed the fears, the apprehensions of the working class, Clinton basically ignored them promising to be Obama's third term.

I could point out a lot more things with numbers to back them up. But basically Clinton did 3-4 points worst than Obama in almost every voting block one can imagine or break down the electorate into. Trump matched Romney in almost every voting block, sometimes a point or two ahead of him, sometimes a point or two below, but he was right close where Clinton was far.

One last point, Trump energized his supporters, they were willing to go to the far corners of the earth for him. Hillary's supporters were more ho hum, laid back. They lacked enthusiasm. Trump may have come off as an idiot to those non-affiliated voters at times, but he didn't come off as aloof, part of the elite, the person next in line for the presidency as Hillary did. In short, Trump just out worked Hillary.
 
chuckiechan said:
There is one other thing that doesn't get adequate credit: Trump's boundless energy. Like him or not, the guy went out there several times a day, nearly every day and campaigned whereas Hillary cowered behind a friendly media.

Trump is/was the Energizer Bunny that promises to get the country straightened out and people working again. What did Hillary offer? Nothing worth repeating.
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You are absolutely correct. Good to remind people of that.

While Hillary sat back on her presumptive throne, insulting people, and letting her MSM partners and political machine carry out it's mission of lies, deceit and fraud, Trump was all over the place, with thousands waiting hours, and running gauntlets of vile protestors, to hear his message.

That is a visual someone on the fence post would be hard not to notice. Obviously they did.

The beauty of it all, is they are now seeing the reaction of people they might have believed they sided with, and now see are vindictive, intolerant and hateful.

It's amazing to me the leaders on the left are not seeing how the results of their responses and commands are being received among those not firmly attached to their ideological point of view.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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You do, what it takes. Alternatively you make excuses.
 
Risky Thicket said:
All three should have been an option. Prioritized it would be:

Hillary
Russian hacks
Comedy letter

There was more than that such as the foundation, flat campaign, voter suppression and more.
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She's a woman would be another reason. Also, fake news/propaganda.
 
Middleground said:
**ALL** the women. LOL
What is the ratio now?
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Ratio of what? How many women run their races? I don't know. Why does that matter? If sexism stopped Hillary then why didn't it stop the women that won?
 
Risky Thicket said:
All three should have been an option. Prioritized it would be:

Hillary
Russian hacks
Comedy letter

There was more than that such as the foundation, flat campaign, voter suppression and more.
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Exactly. It isn't an either/or, it's all three.
 
Henrin said:
Ratio of what? How many women run their races? I don't know. Why does that matter? If sexism stopped Hillary then why didn't it stop the women that won?
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Here's a hint... it's still very much a man's world.
 
Middleground said:
Here's a hint... it's still very much a man's world.
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Yeah.....right. If anything men are second class citizens these days, but believe what you want.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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Not that simple..... all of the above.

Mostly because Hillary was not that strong of candidate. At one level, she was the strongest candidate ever to run for POTUS, but she had some character flaws that were well exploited by the Republicans, and reinforced by her own actions (while the private server issue was overplayed, it was very stupid and arrogant on her part). Though the winning candidate had almost all of the same character flaws, often to a magnitude of a degree greater, he did a good job of using mirrors to deflect them to Hillary making her a weak candidate... Strike I

The next factor was the mood of the country. There was an appetite for change. Since the Clinton's have been in the forefront of American politics for 25 years, they were the personification of the old world that the voter no longer wanted a part. Strike II

Then there is the Russian backed Wikileaks leaks. While almost everything that was leaked was benign, and paled in comparison to the dirt on the opposition guy, it reinforced the narratives about Clinton. Moreover, they were brilliantly released slowly and torturiously, like chinesse water torture. I am thinking this has a bigger impact that we give it credit. It is very plausible that 85,000 people in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to stay home or 42,500 to vote the other way... that the margin. I, for one, am becoming increasingly convinced that this pushed Trump over the finish line (more on that later).

A really good Democratic candidate would have likely destroyed Trump. A weak one, however, sits just a couple of points above the opposition candidate weeks before the election, so that when Comey made his statement, people were quick to think of Hillary's shortcomings and she loses 2 points. So, the weak candidate could not withstand the final death blow of Comey, the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. Strike III

Hillary could have done a better job of shoring up the vote with a little hustle. She was arrogant and once again believe herself inevitable, so she campaigned in Arizona and Georgia rather than Michigan and Wisconsin. I do think there is something to the Trump allegations that she lacked the energy.

Maybe, in the end, the hustler simply out hustled her.
 
Out of the options I chose Hillary. Realistically it was a combination of all of them, but a better candidate could have taken those and still beat the least popular candidate to ever run a campaign. By the way, who is the left? I keep seeing all these threads talking about how the left is blaming the election on Comey or the Russians. Are we just talking about Democratic politicians here or what? Policy-wise I am part of the left, but I can't say that I have ever supported those two ideas or have seen a majority of liberals on this site throw everything into one of those two baskets.
 
To some extent all of those things played a part. But mostly she lost because she's one of the most unlikable candidates to run for president that I can remember.
 
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