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Hillary Lost Because Of

Hillary Lost The Election Because Of:

  • The Comey Letter

    Votes: 10 8.7%

  • The Russian Hacking

    Votes: 4 3.5%

  • Hillary

    Votes: 101 87.8%
  • Total voters
    115
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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HRC's campaign lost focus by going for the unnecessarily big win, diverting time, money and energy to places like Arizona and North Carolina, when they should have been shoring up their "wall" in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. The Trump campaign spotted the opening and went right to it.
 
Terrible poll. At the very least it should have been multiple-choice.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
I have posted this before.

The Russians/Fake news did not cause Hillary to lose the election!

The one person that influenced the election was the candidate herself- Hillary.


Did the Russians/Fake News set up the Clinton foundation?

Did the Russians/Fake News set up a unauthorized server?

Did the Russians/Fake News place highly classified material on a unclassified server?

Did the Russians/Fake News pick a candidate for the democratic party that was under a active criminal FBI investigation?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary not to have a decent economic message for the rust belt?

Did the Russians/Fake News tell Hillary to slime half of the country? Basket of deplorable's!

Did the Russians/FakeNews force the Clinton campaign to rig the primary against Sanders?

Did the Russians?FakeNews tell the campaign to act like they won the election before they actually did? (arrogant, condescending, we are better than you)

So the left is so traumatized they will say anything or do anything to try to make sense of the loss.

The Russian/Fake News excuse is just the latest. So once this plays out another excuse will pop up!
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Well, when you run a candidate that's under FBI investigation for serious crimes . . . . .
 
chuckiechan said:
There is one other thing that doesn't get adequate credit: Trump's boundless energy. Like him or not, the guy went out there several times a day, nearly every day and campaigned whereas Hillary cowered behind a friendly media.

Trump is/was the Energizer Bunny that promises to get the country straightened out and people working again. What did Hillary offer? Nothing worth repeating.
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Now that he "doesn't need you anymore" you will soon see that you were conned. He will slow growth not increase it, he will raise unemployment not lower it. But his billionaire friends will do VERY well while the rest of us go back to stagnant wages or layoffs. but he will write some cool tweets so I guess it all evens out.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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They are going through stages of denial. First, they did not want to admit they lost. Now they do not want to admit why they lost. As each narrative they push fails, they simply move on to a different narrative or go back to the first one. Eventually most of them will probably reflect and think about the real reasons they lost.....not only the presidential election, but congressional and state elections. For example, most of them will eventually reach the conclusion that "maybe Obamacare was not such a good idea after all". And maybe they will not be so arrogant going into the next presidential election. Remember in the months leading up to the race, the common librul chants were: "Get used to the term Madame President Hillary" and "Look at the states Hillary starts out with.....you can't win".
 
Hillary lost because democrats thought the minority vote was a lock, ignoring the minorities was a big mistake. Trump got just enough votes in key states by minorities vote to win the election. Two: I believe when the election cycle started the majority in both parties didn't want another Bush or another Clinton to run the country.
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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Um, it was pretty close. Came down to tens of thousands in some states. He didn't get a majority of votes. Hell, he didn't even get a plurality.

When something is really close, even small things count. But i guess the right's strong suit isn't critical thinking.
 
Risky Thicket said:
All three should have been an option. Prioritized it would be:

Hillary
Russian hacks
Comedy letter

There was more than that such as the foundation, flat campaign, voter suppression and more.
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What Russian hacks influenced you as a voter? How did the Comey letter influence you as a voter?
 
Hillary lost because she was an unpopular leftist candidate with no plan. She lost because she ran to be the first woman president. She lost because the only time she has ever pretended to care about black voters is occasionally during an election cycle. She lost because her arguments re a supporter of womens causes sound pretty silly in light of the fact she attacked her husbands victims for 4 decades. She lost because outside of the diehard partisan leftists that would vote for a steaming pile of **** with a D flag planted in it, she didnt appeal to liberal voters. She lost because she and the DNC ****ed over about half of the Democrat voters rather than beating Bernie Sanders fair and square. She lost because she had no plan for the economy. She lost because she did nothing in the senate and had no standing to run on. She lost because she was a failed Sec of State and no one on the left could point to a single accomplishment of hers. She lost because she was weak on combating terrorism and far from addressing the illegal immigration problems she was seen as a proponent of illegal immigration. She lost because she is HRC...a ****ty candidate that couldnt garner enough support from millennials, minorities, and other democrat voters.
 
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I think the only legitimate answer is all of them, plus other factors. I mean she was .2% in Michigan and .7% in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin away from winning. Unless the Comey letter and the hacks didn't hurt her at all, they each probably cost her the election. Of course the Russian hacks and the Comey letter were at least partially self-inflicted as well, even if other people's improper actions led to them being released.
 
VanceMack said:
What Russian hacks influenced you as a voter? How did the Comey letter influence you as a voter?
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None of the above influenced me as a voter. I never intended to vote for another political dynasty. No Bush, no Clinton, no Paul, no dynasty. If you want to spend the time to go back and search you'll find my early election posts said just that.

I liked - still like - Bernie from day one. For me it was Bernie or nothing in the Democratic Party because I am not a partisan. I am not a Democrat. There wasn't much at all in the Republican clown car that interested me. And Hillary was never a consideration.

However, I do know that people could not support Hillary after they discovered that the entire DNC and more conspired to nominate Hillary from the very beginning. Wikileaks, for me, confirmed what I already suspected. The DNC betrayed the Democratic Party, peed on democracy and ****ed over anyone who wasn't going to vote for Hillary.

People who weren't in love with Hillary jumped ship after learning of Hillary's and the DNC's duplicity. Hardcore partisans - as all hardcore partisans from either party - would of course stick with their party's nomination regardless. Hillary and Trump were perfect examples of partisan myopia.

The two worst choices ever created a voter dilemma: a choice between bat **** crazy and borderline evil. Americans for the most part are intellectually lazy and depend rather on mainstream television news to tell them how to think. Far too many Americans are partisans because it saves them the effort of due diligence. They simply vote the party line and pull for their team as if is some big reality show on television.

There were, however, many Independents, moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats who just couldn't vote for Hillary after the emails let everyone see behind the curtain.

Finally, there were some fence sitters who, with good reason, couldn't see voting for Trump and were hard pressed to cast their ballot for Hillary. Some of those people were influenced by the Comey letter.
 
antiquity said:
Hillary lost because democrats thought the minority vote was a lock, ignoring the minorities was a big mistake. Trump got just enough votes in key states by minorities vote to win the election.
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Yep. The democrats have long boasted that they run the table 9 to 1 in regards to the African American vote. They did not listen when it was pointed out many times over the years that republicans do not need the majority of those votes to win...they merely need to shake off a small percentage of them in key states. And that in fact occurred in the 2016 race.


Two: I believe when the election cycle started the majority in both parties didn't want another Bush or another Clinton to run the country.
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Correct. The majority in both parties is sick and tired of family dynasties in national politics.
 
Absentglare said:
Um, it was pretty close. Came down to tens of thousands in some states. He didn't get a majority of votes. Hell, he didn't even get a plurality.

When something is really close, even small things count. But i guess the right's strong suit isn't critical thinking.
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If the left was employing critical thinking, they would not be whining about Russian hacking....which likely had no effect whatsoever in the outcome of the election, if it did in fact occur. They would be reflecting on the real reasons Hillary lost. You are just hoping that the "Russians did it" narrative will keep you from having to face why you lost.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the left was employing critical thinking, they would not be whining about Russian hacking....which likely had no effect whatsoever in the outcome of the election, if it did in fact occur. They would be reflecting on the real reasons Hillary lost. You are just hoping that the "Russians did it" narrative will keep you from having to face why you lost.
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Russian hacking was definitely a factor, there can be no doubt.

But that said, what effectiveness it had stemmed from Clinton's own weaknesses and vulnerabilities as a candidate; the e-mail scandal and her most damaging wikileaks largely emerged from her own terrible judgment and character, as did the drama with Comey (as that directly resulted from said scandal).
 
The simple answer is the one people are choking on and doing thier very best to run away from.

TRUMP beat her. He is the more appealing candidate to enough people in enough key states that he is our new potus.

There no blame in this. Trump deserves credit for running the nore effective campaghin. Novody wants to give him the credit he deserves.

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ObamacareFail said:
They are going through stages of denial. First, they did not want to admit they lost. Now they do not want to admit why they lost. As each narrative they push fails, they simply move on to a different narrative or go back to the first one. Eventually most of them will probably reflect and think about the real reasons they lost.....not only the presidential election, but congressional and state elections. For example, most of them will eventually reach the conclusion that "maybe Obamacare was not such a good idea after all". And maybe they will not be so arrogant going into the next presidential election. Remember in the months leading up to the race, the common librul chants were: "Get used to the term Madame President Hillary" and "Look at the states Hillary starts out with.....you can't win".
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I think you are giving them too much credit. They will try to figure out why they lost but they will come up with their standard liberally biased answers, such as they didn't lose at all, they won by 3 million votes. Therefore, nothing to change. They will never admit Obamacare was a failure. They will sit back and hope that what the Republicans do will fail and then they will say, "See, Obamacare wasn't such a failure after all, now was it?". Maybe they will learn some on the arrogance front but I won't hold my breath.
 
You should get a mod to re-do the poll with multiple choice and non-anonymous poll results.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the left was employing critical thinking, they would not be whining about Russian hacking....which likely had no effect whatsoever in the outcome of the election, if it did in fact occur. They would be reflecting on the real reasons Hillary lost. You are just hoping that the "Russians did it" narrative will keep you from having to face why you lost.
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Likely based on what? Your guess? Lol!!
 
Risky Thicket said:
None of the above influenced me as a voter. I never intended to vote for another political dynasty. No Bush, no Clinton, no Paul, no dynasty. If you want to spend the time to go back and search you'll find my early election posts said just that.

I liked - still like - Bernie from day one. For me it was Bernie or nothing in the Democratic Party because I am not a partisan. I am not a Democrat. There wasn't much at all in the Republican clown car that interested me. And Hillary was never a consideration.

However, I do know that people could not support Hillary after they discovered that the entire DNC and more conspired to nominate Hillary from the very beginning. Wikileaks, for me, confirmed what I already suspected. The DNC betrayed the Democratic Party, peed on democracy and ****ed over anyone who wasn't going to vote for Hillary.

People who weren't in love with Hillary jumped ship after learning of Hillary's and the DNC's duplicity. Hardcore partisans - as all hardcore partisans from either party - would of course stick with their party's nomination regardless. Hillary and Trump were perfect examples of partisan myopia.

The two worst choices ever created a voter dilemma: a choice between bat **** crazy and borderline evil. Americans for the most part are intellectually lazy and depend rather on mainstream television news to tell them how to think. Far too many Americans are partisans because it saves them the effort of due diligence. They simply vote the party line and pull for their team as if is some big reality show on television.

There were, however, many Independents, moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats who just couldn't vote for Hillary after the emails let everyone see behind the curtain.

Finally, there were some fence sitters who, with good reason, couldn't see voting for Trump and were hard pressed to cast their ballot for Hillary. Some of those people were influenced by the Comey letter.
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I agree with your assessment for the most part. Im just not sure what exactly in the Comey letter is being blamed as a reason for people changing their votes. ALL the Comey letter stated to Congress was that as a result of the Wiener investigation they found many of the emails Congress had subpoenaed her for years prior. Similarly...the Wikileaks email releases merely pointed out the corruption of the DNC (has there ever been actual proof that the Russians gave Wikileaks the emails?). Has there ever been ANY evidence that peoples votes were swayed by any of this?
 
Moderate Right said:
Right after the election the left blamed her loss on the Comey letter, then it was the Russian hacking, and now it seems to have shifted back to the Comey letter again. I wish they would make up their minds or accept the results of the election and the peaceful transition of power. Three choices in this poll only. No all or some of the above or other.
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You should have added "All of the Above." The poll is a fishing expedition without it.

Kind of partisan, actually, that you did not include option D.
 
chuckiechan said:
There is one other thing that doesn't get adequate credit: Trump's boundless energy. Like him or not, the guy went out there several times a day, nearly every day and campaigned whereas Hillary cowered behind a friendly media.

Trump is/was the Energizer Bunny that promises to get the country straightened out and people working again. What did Hillary offer? Nothing worth repeating.
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Yep. She counted on the liberal machine, such as celebrities and the mainstream media, to get out the vote for her. Another factor was the fact that she didn't take Trump seriously. None of his opponents in the primary took him seriously either and Hillary just couldn't learn a lesson from that. Reminds of one of those SNL skits where, right after the ***** grabbing news came out, they panned to the fake Hillary to ask her what she thought of the recent news and she was popping the cork at her campaign headquarters. It was just so obvious to her that there was no way she could lose. One more point, the right did everything they could in 2008 to get Obama elected in the primary because he would be so much easier to beat than Hillary and here in 2016 the left did everything they could to get Trump elected in the primary because he would be so easy to beat. The left were literally foaming at the mouth when Trump became the nominee.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Yep. The democrats have long boasted that they run the table 9 to 1 in regards to the African American vote. They did not listen when it was pointed out many times over the years that republicans do not need the majority of those votes to win...they merely need to shake off a small percentage of them in key states. And that in fact occurred in the 2016 race.




Correct. The majority in both parties is sick and tired of family dynasties in national politics.
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I thought it amazing when Obama told African Americans that he would take it as a personal insult if they did not go out and vote for Hillary, like they were too stupid to vote and and to be told who to vote for.

As far as the Dynasty thing goes, people really are sick and tired of political dynasties. Jeb Bush made an early exit despite the backing of the establishment and a war chest that made everyone else look like paupers but Hillary had already been annoited with superdelegates and could not lose in the primary. That also carried over to the general as we had one person who was not a dynasty and one person who was.
 
VanceMack said:
I agree with your assessment for the most part. Im just not sure what exactly in the Comey letter is being blamed as a reason for people changing their votes. ALL the Comey letter stated to Congress was that as a result of the Wiener investigation they found many of the emails Congress had subpoenaed her for years prior. Similarly...the Wikileaks email releases merely pointed out the corruption of the DNC (has there ever been actual proof that the Russians gave Wikileaks the emails?). Has there ever been ANY evidence that peoples votes were swayed by any of this?
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I can't tell you that a significant number of people were swayed by Comey's letter. I suspect some people who did not want to vote for Trump and were very reluctantly considering Hillary were swayed by Comey's letter. Let me put it another way. Comey's letter probably didn't do Hillary any favors.

Has there ever been ANY evidence that people's votes were swayed by any of this?
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I believe there has been some evidence, though I can't recall where I read it. I can't tell you how hard the evidence was or even if it was valid. There were some articles, that's all I remember.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the left was employing critical thinking, they would not be whining about Russian hacking....which likely had no effect whatsoever in the outcome of the election, if it did in fact occur. They would be reflecting on the real reasons Hillary lost. You are just hoping that the "Russians did it" narrative will keep you from having to face why you lost.
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Yep. If Hillary had not had the private server and deleted 33,000 emails after getting a court order to turn the server over, resulting in an FBI investigation and had not had the DNC in her back pocket, those factors would never have come into play in the election. There would never have been an FBI investigation or a Comey letter and the Russians would not have been able to hack any useful information from the DNC if they hadn't tried to unfairly annoint Hillary. The recent mess with "compromising information" on Trump would not have been any different if Hillary had been elected because if nothing had been made public on her, then Russia would have definitely had compromising information on her.
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the left was employing critical thinking, they would not be whining about Russian hacking....which likely had no effect whatsoever in the outcome of the election, if it did in fact occur. They would be reflecting on the real reasons Hillary lost. You are just hoping that the "Russians did it" narrative will keep you from having to face why you lost.
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Why does concern that the Russians might have tried to influence the election have to equal trying to justify Clinton's loss? Couldn't someone be glad Clinton lost but also be concerned that the Russians may have interfered?
 
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