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Do you care about the Russia Noise?

Is the Russia thing important?

  • I lean left and it's vitally important we suse this out

    Votes: 12 36.4%

  • I lean left and think it's unimportant

    Votes: 2 6.1%

  • I lean right and it's vitally important we suse this out

    Votes: 4 12.1%

  • I lean right and think it's unimportant

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • I don't think it's important and will not give my leanings.

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
RetiredUSN said:
How many times has the USA screwed with other countries campaigns, elections, and ousted leaders?

Iran
Egypt
Libya
Panama
Guatemala
Indonesia
Israel
Italy
England-Brexit
South Vietnam
Nicaragua
Haiti

Probably a few dozen more.
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So you specifically want other countries to screw with our elections, and will happily take the product of them steering our elections to their preferred candidate?

Either this is a weird, new low standard for Republicans or they specifically want our country to be punished.
 
Cardinal said:
So you specifically want other countries to screw with our elections, and will happily take the product of them steering our elections to their preferred candidate?

Either this is a weird, new low standard for Republicans or they specifically want our country to be punished.
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Blah blah blah

I didn't see you or any other lefty on here whining about Obama mouthing off about Brexit, or handing over $350,000 to "one Voice" for their political activities against Netanyahu .
 
RetiredUSN said:
Blah blah blah

I didn't see you or any other lefty on here whining about Obama mouthing off about Brexit, or handing over $350,000 to "one Voice" for their political activities against Netanyahu .
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So you happily accept it when a foreign country steers us toward a candidate they want? Is this your standard?
 
joG said:
Out laws are valid within the jurisdiction, where the hacking occurred.
I never said that our agencies do not break local laws. That does not excuse others breaking ours. It also does not justify their waging war on us as they have been for a decade and of which this is an example, if the allegations are true.

You might not like it, but Putin did start a war with us a while back and we had best come to understanding it.
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But they weren't within our jurisdiction when they did the hacking, were they? And if Putin isn't willing to recognize our laws, we can either go to war, which would be idiotic, or impose some kind of sanctions, which may or may not work, or we can just understand that we have no real say in it. And the fact is, our agencies break all kinds of laws, local, international and our own, all the time and we figure we're above the law. We've been "declaring war" on pretty much anyone we don't like, overthrowing governments, funding rebels, etc. It would be ultimately hypocritical for us to get pissed off at someone else doing to us what we've been doing to everyone else, including decades of trying to influence Russia throughout the Cold War.
 
joG said:
Nope. 'didn't say that. Hacking or stealing the info was illegal.
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Which may be the case, but that doesn't make the information itself faulty. Getting the truth to the people isn't a bad thing, no matter how it comes out.
 
Cephus said:
Which may be the case, but that doesn't make the information itself faulty. Getting the truth to the people isn't a bad thing, no matter how it comes out.
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True. Taken together it was an act of aggression or even of war. But, since Putin has been waging war on us for some time, I guess that is nothing special.
 
CriticalThought said:
Assuming that Trump did piss on a bunch of prostitutes and Russia knew about it and used that and other information to manipulate Trump while also leading a coordinated hacking campaign with the collaboration of Trump’s campaign...

Trump's supporters would still support him.

So what does it matter?
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You make a good point, and it's worth fleshing out. Trump doesn't respond to normal blackmail, but that doesn't make him unblackmailable. And remember...anyone can be behind the blackmail. Liberals could blackmail Trump to push a socialist agenda. Environmentalists could blackmail him to stop all fracking and coal production.

You're totally right, normal things won't bother Trump. He doesn't care about being respected or liked, he wants to be watched. Anything that advances the brand is a win. So yeah, a video showing him with prostitutes probably wouldn't bother him. Super rich guy doing super rich guy things, go Trump! I wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing makes him happy.

But what about a video that showed that his hands weren't the only thing that's small, or not being able to perform, or being humiliated.... What do you think he'd do to keep that under wraps? It's the same on taxes, normal things like cheating on taxes wouldn't bother him. But evidence that his company is more or less a sham?
 
RetiredUSN said:
Were you happy when Obama did the very same thing?
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Ah, so you haven't formed a moral code of your own then. Okey dokey, never mind.
 
joG said:
True. Taken together it was an act of aggression or even of war. But, since Putin has been waging war on us for some time, I guess that is nothing special.
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No it's not. That's ridiculous.
 
Cardinal said:
Ah, so you haven't formed a moral code of your own then. Okey dokey, never mind.
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You of all people on here, have no right to speak of moral code's if you think your own president can interfere with other countries elections, and not have it happen in return.
 
Phoenix said:
All this coverage about how Russia interfered with our election.
Basically they allegedly distributed propaganda to attempt to influence how people vote in the election. So what. Do you really think our country is fragile enough that this will bring us down? They didn't hack into voting machines, they didn't threaten voters, they didn't do anything except express their opinions about a candidate over another candidate. I think it's unimportant and just noise to attempt to keep some controversy going against Trump presidency. Smoke and mirrors.
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You left out my option: I lean right and I don't KNOW how important it is. Nobody has given us any specifics of how it has affected the outcome of anything important. There is only innuendo and suggestions and accusations, etc.

I honestly don't think the wiki-leaks stuff changed a single vote. Those who were going to vote for Hillary shrugged all that off as unimportant and voted for her anyway. And the leaks just provided more ammunition to criticize Hillary and the Democrats to those who weren't going to vote for Hillary but I honestly don't think it affected anybody's opinion of her. There was nothing there that looked more damning than the stuff being thrown at Trump every hour on the hour, some of it that he invited himself.

Is it serious that Russia tried to influence our election? Not really. Not when I believe strongly that we meddle in other people's elections all the time. It should be a strong wake up call though that we need to develop better technology to deter those intent on hacking our system and need a general education course on recognizing phishing scams that would be a requirement for all serving in government at any level.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You of all people on here, have no right to speak of moral code's if you think your own president can interfere with other countries elections, and not have it happen in return.
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If you happily accept a hostile international country steering the results of our elections because it suits your short term political goals, that's on you, nobody else. It's unbelievably sad that you've set this low, low standard for yourself.
 
Phoenix said:
All this coverage about how Russia interfered with our election.
Basically they allegedly distributed propaganda to attempt to influence how people vote in the election. So what. Do you really think our country is fragile enough that this will bring us down? They didn't hack into voting machines, they didn't threaten voters, they didn't do anything except express their opinions about a candidate over another candidate. I think it's unimportant and just noise to attempt to keep some controversy going against Trump presidency. Smoke and mirrors.
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I don't have a lean. So, I cannot answer your poll.

But, I'll say this. You can bet your ass that if intelligence reports suggested Russians had something on Hillary and meddled in the election process to influence it so that she would win, the Right would be losing it's ever loving mind right now.
 
calamity said:
I don't have a lean. So, I cannot answer your poll.

But, I'll say this. You can bet your ass that if intelligence reports suggested Russians had something on Hillary and meddled in the election process to influence it so that she would win, the Right would be losing it's ever loving mind right now.
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And rightfully so, because duh.
 
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