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Is the Patriarchy a real thing in today's society?

Is the Patriarchy a thing today or not?

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So the question is very simple: is there a system in our society that excludes women from oppurtunities and positions of power, while men get to make all of the decisions? Or is that not the case at all?

My take is that there isn't any "patriarchy" in today's society. And if there is, they are doing a downright terrible job at keeping women oppressed. Now in other places around the world like Saudi Arabia, there most definitely is a patriarchy, seeing as in those countries women have little to no rights at all.
 
It really depends on the 'where' as you've noted. If you mean the States/other developed countries, it isn't a thing so much.
 
Of course there is not, but the feminists will use every tool they can for as long as they can, truth is not required...so long as enough people believe their clap-trap or cuck men can be bullied into saying that they do in the hopes of getting laid the feminists will keep pushing it.

In the end their overt manipulation and dishonesty will result in negative consequences, much as we are watching the DC ELITE pay the price now for years of lies and incompetence.

What they are doing to men on college campuses will be at the top of the list of the charges against them btw, their willingness to bash men unfairly will not be forgiven.
 
The history and heritage of male-dominated or male orientated systems persist well into our own society today. Perhaps if you take a purely comparative view with particular parts of the world in mind you could say its presence in our societies is little, but if you compare our status quo to egalitarian conditions in many tribes, bands, and some chiefdoms we are the oppressive ones in respect to gender.

This doesn't only apply to disparity of rights and privileges between male and female persons, but also cultural expectations for each. The fact that we still perceive roles determined by a person's gender is an extension of such. This is reinforced and propagated by its continued practice and what we consider to be "normal."
 
In the States and other developed Western countries it was a very real thing previously, but now I don't really see it anymore.

HRC ran in part on it, and we see how well it resonated! :mrgreen:
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Of course there is not, but the feminists will use every tool they can for as long as they can, truth is not required...so long as enough people believe their clap-trap or cuck men can be bullied into saying that they do in the hopes of getting laid the feminists will keep pushing it.

In the end their overt manipulation and dishonesty will result in negative consequences, much as we are watching the DC ELITE pay the price now for years of lies and incompetence.

What they are doing to men on college campuses will be at the top of the list of the charges against them btw, their willingness to bash men unfairly will not be forgiven.
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What are they doing to men on college campuses?
 
falcata said:
The history and heritage of male-dominated or male orientated systems persist well into our own society today. Perhaps if you take a purely comparative view with particular parts of the world in mind you could say its presence in our societies is little, but if you compare our status quo to egalitarian conditions in many tribes, bands, and some chiefdoms we are the oppressive ones in respect to gender.

This doesn't only apply to disparity of rights and privileges between male and female persons, but also cultural expectations for each. The fact that we still perceive roles determined by a person's gender is an extension of such. This is reinforced and propagated by its continued practice and what we consider to be "normal."
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Umm..how do we still perceive roles for women? I mean, I guess some people still do, but society doesn't appear too. Also, why does roles existence somehow lead to male dominated society?
 
falcata said:
What are they doing to men on college campuses?
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Don't you know that those men are beasts and rape one in four women? Or was it one in four? I can't remember.
 
falcata said:
The history and heritage of male-dominated or male orientated systems persist well into our own society today. Perhaps if you take a purely comparative view with particular parts of the world in mind you could say its presence in our societies is little, but if you compare our status quo to egalitarian conditions in many tribes, bands, and some chiefdoms we are the oppressive ones in respect to gender.

This doesn't only apply to disparity of rights and privileges between male and female persons, but also cultural expectations for each. The fact that we still perceive roles determined by a person's gender is an extension of such. This is reinforced and propagated by its continued practice and what we consider to be "normal."
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Roles based on gender are biologically re.inforced and common sense most of the time.
 
Henrin said:
Don't you know that those men are beasts and rape one in four women? Or was it one in four? I can't remember.
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The argument is a quarter of all college females are brutally raped with many more sexually assaulted. Why any college grad female would ever let her daughter go baffles me.
 
falcata said:
What are they doing to men on college campuses?
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For one, there are colleges out there that are insisting that all men, without exception, take "rape training" that teaches them what horrible people they are, just because they're male.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The argument is a quarter of all college females are brutally raped with many more sexually assaulted. Why any college grad female would ever let her daughter go baffles me.
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Especially since the real statistics show that college is a much safer place for women than pretty much anywhere else.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The argument is a quarter of all college females are brutally raped with many more sexually assaulted. Why any college grad female would ever let her daughter go baffles me.
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No ****. If your daughter has a twenty-five percent chance of getting raped if she goes somewhere why in the hell would you let her there? WTF?
 
Henrin said:
Umm..how do we still perceive roles for women? I mean, I guess some people still do, but society doesn't appear too. Also, why does roles existence somehow lead to male dominated society?
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I would say that those people that do maintain those perceptions of gender based roles make up a very large portion of the US population and probably to a lesser extent other Western nations. This doesn't have to be an explicit thought process, just base impressions they have from their lives. Our media probably doesn't really reflect of display this attribute, but our society is an aggregate of everyone that lives within it so I would maintain that it is a pertinent factor and force still today.

I think you misunderstood what I meant in that. As we see civilization and the state develop we begin to see the stratification of society. As our lives become more complex for the sake of facilitating systems and power structures we see without exception disparity grow amongst the respective populations. So it's not necessarily the roles themselves that invoke disparity, but the systems that pursue or require conformity to those certain roles.
 
TheGoverness said:
Poll is incoming.

So the question is very simple: is there a system in our society that excludes women from oppurtunities and positions of power, while men get to make all of the decisions? Or is that not the case at all?

My take is that there isn't any "patriarchy" in today's society. And if there is, they are doing a downright terrible job at keeping women oppressed. Now in other places around the world like Saudi Arabia, there most definitely is a patriarchy, seeing as in those countries women have little to no rights at all.
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That's it... You are officially kicked out of NOW... Surrender your NOW card, your Doc Martins and your "I had an abortion" t-shirt....

:mrgreen:
 
TheGoverness said:
Poll is incoming.

So the question is very simple: is there a system in our society that excludes women from oppurtunities and positions of power, while men get to make all of the decisions? Or is that not the case at all?

My take is that there isn't any "patriarchy" in today's society. And if there is, they are doing a downright terrible job at keeping women oppressed. Now in other places around the world like Saudi Arabia, there most definitely is a patriarchy, seeing as in those countries women have little to no rights at all.
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ALL the decisions? No.

However, women are still at a big disadvantage with political leadership, in corporate management, and are all but shut out of STEM field; they are often subjected to discrimination and harassment; they commit few crimes, and are frequently the victims of crime. Women are paid less (though part of that is women's preference to prioritize other parts of life than work), and are still expected to be the primary caretakers. I.e. men still have a lot of privilege in the US.

There is no question the US is far more equal today than in, say, 1980. But yeah, we're still in a patriarchical society.

Hence, I voted "yes".
 
Visbek said:
ALL the decisions? No.

However, women are still at a big disadvantage with political leadership, in corporate management, and are all but shut out of STEM field; they are often subjected to discrimination and harassment; they commit few crimes, and are frequently the victims of crime. Women are paid less (though part of that is women's preference to prioritize other parts of life than work), and are still expected to be the primary caretakers. I.e. men still have a lot of privilege in the US.

Hence, I voted "yes".
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They're not shut out of anything, they *CHOOSE* not to go into those fields. Nobody stops them but themselves.
 
TheGoverness said:
Poll is incoming.

So the question is very simple: is there a system in our society that excludes women from oppurtunities and positions of power, while men get to make all of the decisions? Or is that not the case at all?

My take is that there isn't any "patriarchy" in today's society. And if there is, they are doing a downright terrible job at keeping women oppressed. Now in other places around the world like Saudi Arabia, there most definitely is a patriarchy, seeing as in those countries women have little to no rights at all.
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Too much independent thinking, not enough turkey sammiches!

*cough*
 
Cephus said:
For one, there are colleges out there that are insisting that all men, without exception, take "rape training" that teaches them what horrible people they are, just because they're male.
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Sexual assault, as it is at my university, is an enormous problem. I agree that alienating men could very well reinforce these sentiments that the program are trying to dissipate. Universities however are under enormous pressure to effectively deal with these occurrences. Which is a behemoth of a task, because those perceptions come from their socialization and how they were raised. How can a higher education facility hope to properly lead someone to re-approach such a sensitive issue?
 
Henrin said:
Don't you know that those men are beasts and rape one in four women? Or was it one in four? I can't remember.
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I have many friends who have been sexually assaulted while attending university and it is not a joke. They have without a doubt been severely affected by their experiences and thank goodness they have resources to support them.
 
Visbek said:
ALL the decisions? No.

However, women are still at a big disadvantage with political leadership, in corporate management, and are all but shut out of STEM field; they are often subjected to discrimination and harassment; they commit few crimes, and are frequently the victims of crime. Women are paid less (though part of that is women's preference to prioritize other parts of life than work), and are still expected to be the primary caretakers. I.e. men still have a lot of privilege in the US.

There is no question the US is far more equal today than in, say, 1980. But yeah, we're still in a patriarchical society.

Hence, I voted "yes".
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Women want to be the primary care givers. I have never once met one who upon getting pregnant didnt love the idea of time off work to care for the infant. Of course they can choose to go back to work. Men Rarely have any choice.
 
Visbek said:
ALL the decisions? No.

However, women are still at a big disadvantage with political leadership, in corporate management, and are all but shut out of STEM field; they are often subjected to discrimination and harassment; they commit few crimes, and are frequently the victims of crime. Women are paid less (though part of that is women's preference to prioritize other parts of life than work), and are still expected to be the primary caretakers. I.e. men still have a lot of privilege in the US.

There is no question the US is far more equal today than in, say, 1980. But yeah, we're still in a patriarchical society.

Hence, I voted "yes".
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Nope. More women than ever are in politics, more women than ever are in STEM fields, more women than ever are in corporate management. They also earn 96% of what men earn, so stop with that stupid wage disparity crap too.
 
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